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Post by AzTex on Nov 14, 2015 9:30:40 GMT -8
Skylar on D has been some one we all forget about, until he is gone for 2016 season. Well put.
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Post by tayloner on Nov 14, 2015 9:36:54 GMT -8
There's no way to sell it, this was a very bad recruiting year. We haven't whiffed like this in several years. BUT, we have good depth next year, just need a 5th year senior transfer big and we'll be ok. Be on the lookout for redshirt junior bigs across the nation at smaller tier schools this season. Josh Davis' don't grow on trees, but I feel very confident Fish will come up with someone.
Could also see a younger transfer big coming as well, similar to how we got Davis and Chol in the same offseason. Who knows, Collette from USU could be an option, I believe he sits out this year then has 2 years of eligibility left (although much tougher to transfer in conference, plus I think he's bound for Arizona or Utah or another major conference school).
Then, add backcourt depth in the class of 2017, and we'll be ok moving forward.
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Post by standiego on Nov 14, 2015 10:15:19 GMT -8
Major need for 2015 was a PG . sure looks as though JH could be the answer . 2016 we have 4 "new" guys being added but there was a major need a guy to replace Sky's D at the 5 . Coaches tried but were not able to land a quality transfer(sit 2015 and play in 2016) or HS recruit . So would guess even they would say ,they tried but missed the attempts to score . So will need to do a plan B , that is not easy find a 5 by grad transfer or JC .
Believe I am spoiled , do not see just being "Fine or Ok" as good enough any more . Have higher expectations as stated by Coach Fisher, to be at the very least SW16 or E8 . Do we have that level on the 2016 roster? The bar has been set if we want to be a solid program , you need to be able to add quality HS talent every year . Will settle for quality at Positions that we need immediate help over quantity .
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Post by sdmotohead on Nov 14, 2015 10:39:59 GMT -8
I love how newbies to this board are crying about the 2016 year being a "down year". Puh Lease.
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Post by pnoyaztec on Nov 14, 2015 10:57:27 GMT -8
I love how newbies on to this board are crying about the 2016 year being a "down year". Puh Lease. Was thinking the exact same thing. How can you call it a down year when we signed J. McDaniels, N. Norain, and procured the services of Teki from Mizzu and Hoetzel from Indiana? Rather than looking on who we missed out on, I'd much rather look at who we've have waiting in the wings. A bit disappointed that we missed on Stanback, Cage, and Leaf? Yes, but Teki, Norain, and McDaniels are 4 star players. That equals 4 4* players that will be taking the court next year. Yeah, we suck. Couple them with Hemsley and Cheatham, and THAT is one hell of a back to back recruiting class. Take it easy CHICKEN LITTLES. The sky ain't falling. Is it me, or are these 'recent' Aztecs feeling a bit entitled? Me, I've been following the Aztecs since 1984. I lived through Brandenburg, Fuller, and the Trenkle years. Now THOSE teams had a plethora of 0 and 1 star players where every year was a down year. These Aztecs? They ain't your mama's Aztecs. Can't wait! - Bart Scott
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Post by standiego on Nov 14, 2015 11:18:08 GMT -8
Do not see it as crying to point out that we are losing Skylar & Angelo , plus Winston after this year . Guys that have played the 5 , especially on D . The major need for 2016 was getting a guy that plays the 5 especially on D . Narain is a fantastic signing and believe he will work on the transition from the 4 to the 5 position this year as he red shirts. Working on his frame and learning the position . Jaylen when interviewed seems more interested in playing the 4 then 5 , but that could change . If he also adds to his frame and sees that he could earn more PT there .
We will have good a good core group with Narain , Zylan , JH , Allen and MG-C but will need to add a quality guy to help at the 5 if we want to be an E8 tam if that is the goal . We have been spoiled the last few years , as we have had Skylar in the middle to help protect the rim . As of today not sure we have that for 2016 .
Are we that thin skinned that we can not say the coaches worked really hard at recruiting but were not able to get a key part needed for 2016 . Means the coaches will need to keep a sharp eye on JC's and grad transfers that can play in 2016 .
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Post by Cwag on Nov 14, 2015 13:03:38 GMT -8
let's talk about an up era instead!
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Post by sdmotohead on Nov 14, 2015 13:47:06 GMT -8
Are we that thin skinned that we can not say the coaches worked really hard at recruiting but were not able to get a key part needed for 2016 . Means the coaches will need to keep a sharp eye on JC's and grad transfers that can play in 2016 . There's a difference between "talking" or "saying" it vs CRYING about it. Come on Stan, you've been here long enough where you should know better.
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Post by Ambivalent_Fan on Nov 14, 2015 13:59:48 GMT -8
Maybe we can replace Coach Fisher with Dave Rice...I understand he's a good recruiter...according to many posters it takes 5* players to win...so let's just dump Steve Fisher and the other coaches who can't recruit and hire a "real" recruiter like Dave Rice...
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Post by sdmotohead on Nov 14, 2015 14:01:50 GMT -8
Maybe we can replace Coach Fisher with Dave Rice...I understand he's a good recruiter...according to many posters it takes 5* players to win...so let's just dump Steve Fisher and the other coaches who can't recruit and hire a "real" recruiter like Dave Rice... Or Alford. He's loaded with 5* players and just lost AT HOME to...hell I've never heard of the school that he lost to.
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Post by aztecmusician on Nov 14, 2015 14:01:52 GMT -8
Anyone who calls this recruiting class a down year is as spoiled as a Missouri campus activist.
How many of you doomsayers have seen our new incoming players actually play live? Narian and Ceasar are going to be beasts and dominate the MWC, you can bank on that Kayne.
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Post by docmm on Nov 14, 2015 15:19:21 GMT -8
I know it's a tiny sample size but Malik looked so lost last night that I would be shocked if the NBA used a 1st Round draft choice on him. Yes he can shoot (even though he missed the rim twice last night) but everything else looks suspect; defense, rebounding etc. I hope he proves me wrong and takes over games from here on out but I certainly am not assuming he's going to the NBA after this year just yet. That would make next year even more impressive.
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Post by aztecttcas on Nov 14, 2015 16:22:43 GMT -8
our recruiting is awesome... some of you are nuts. Hoetzel, Teki, Narain are all 4 star guys, man. They're better than getting freshmen because they're more seasoned and have something to prove. Would you rather have a seasoned Teki who is a 4 star guy or Dakarai Allen's rough freshman year? Or Winston's rough freshman year? I would much rather have Teki as a redshirt sophomore or Hoetzel as a redshirt sophomore than the growing pains of a freshman. Hemsley is the exception to the rule. He doesn't play like a freshman and neither will Narain next year. Plus you add the awesome coaching of Dutcher and Hutson... Fish is a great motivator and X's and O's. It was Hutson's 1-2-2 defense that sparked the come back versus New Mexico 2 years ago. Go Aztecs!
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Post by aztecfankrishnan on Nov 14, 2015 23:41:59 GMT -8
This program that was built on transfers and now transfers aren't good enough? Spoiled.
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Post by standiego on Nov 15, 2015 8:46:32 GMT -8
The coaching staff has done a very good job but do think we can evaluate what was done for the 2016 team.. Is the standard to be E8 or better ? SW16 at the least .? Does the roster seem to have the quality to get to that level . The staff tried and brought in numerous guys that play the 5 position , key area that will need replacement for 2016 . But we did not land a high quality transfer or HS recruit that really likes to play the 5 . Our team loses a key player for our noted D , Skylar Spencer , the best rim protector we have had in numerous years . Coaches did sign excellent recruit Nolan Narain - listed as 6'9" who played the 4 in HS and is working with Skylar during his red shirt season at SDSU , can he play the 5 on D ? Jaylen M. another 6'9" HS recruit has said he wants to play the 4 , has a very thin frame . It is a disaster No , but it means more scouting of the JC guys or watching the waiver wire at the end of this year to see if there is a quality grad transfer that plays the 5 that may want to come here . So means the recruiting for 2016 is INCOMPLETE until we know more about Nolan and see what is out there .
We have a very good base with Zylan , Narain , JH , MG-C if healthy , Allen . possibly Malik? Plus the Jalen , M&M's Max and Matt, spot shooters , D Williams , . Big need a strong guy to play the 5 on D .
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Post by besamiazteca on Nov 15, 2015 12:35:52 GMT -8
We'll be just fine. We got 4 new guys coming in that have skill sets that will help win games. Bigs in this era just have to rebound, and make their put backs. Guard play wins now. Jeremy Hemsley is going to take us to the promise land.
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Post by sdcoug on Nov 15, 2015 14:24:20 GMT -8
The coaching staff has done a very good job but do think we can evaluate what was done for the 2016 team.. Is the standard to be E8 or better ? SW16 at the least .? Does the roster seem to have the quality to get to that level . The staff tried and brought in numerous guys that play the 5 position , key area that will need replacement for 2016 . But we did not land a high quality transfer or HS recruit that really likes to play the 5 . Our team loses a key player for our noted D , Skylar Spencer , the best rim protector we have had in numerous years . Coaches did sign excellent recruit Nolan Narain - listed as 6'9" who played the 4 in HS and is working with Skylar during his red shirt season at SDSU , can he play the 5 on D ? Jaylen M. another 6'9" HS recruit has said he wants to play the 4 , has a very thin frame . It is a disaster No , but it means more scouting of the JC guys or watching the waiver wire at the end of this year to see if there is a quality grad transfer that plays the 5 that may want to come here . So means the recruiting for 2016 is INCOMPLETE until we know more about Nolan and see what is out there . We have a very good base with Zylan , Narain , JH , MG-C if healthy , Allen . possibly Malik? Plus the Jalen , M&M's Max and Matt, spot shooters , D Williams , . Big need a strong guy to play the 5 on D . E8 is about matchups. Guard oriented teams have great success in the dance. Having another big doesn't guarantee anything. I think we will add 1+ more but we have NO IDEA what we do or don't NEED for an E8 team, if that ever happens. We could get there with a 4 guard lineup for all we know.
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Post by standiego on Nov 15, 2015 16:14:01 GMT -8
IMO most teams that get to E8 or beyond need at least one very good guard - usually the PG and at least one very good 4 or 5 down low . Match ups are important but you also need talent . Duke was prime example last year.
Also think it is very difficult to win it all without having good HS recruits a your foundation , then supplement with a transfer or maybe two to fill a need . The core group of our 2016 could be our HS recruits Zylan , Narain, JH ,Allen, Kell with MG-C as key transfer plus the other 5 we add by transfer.
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Post by originalshow00 on Nov 15, 2015 17:56:47 GMT -8
No our basketball recruiting was good this year and baseball recruiting is good we have some problems with football recruiting so far and that's it.Sure getting Leaf would have been great but he does not play the 5 position and that is the position that was needed.Staback is not good enough and I am sure we can get a 5th year or JC transfer that would be a top 50 player.
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Post by sdsu2000 on Nov 15, 2015 18:34:22 GMT -8
While maybe we didn't hit a home run in the 2016 class. I can't but help be excited that for the next 3 years we have a team with Hemsley, Zylan and MGC. Then you add Nolan, Perez and Max plus maybe a guy in Jalen who's going to blow up this year and see his ranking climb. We are 7 deep right now for the next 3 years. Hopefully we can add a graduate transfer big man to add some depth for next year and have a great 2017 class.
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