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Post by RiffelBooks on Nov 13, 2015 8:40:28 GMT -8
The sky isn't falling, but we're swimming in deeper waters, where the competition is at its most intense. We will lose guys to the blue bloods and the big money. We'll also get some guys. I think the transfer situation was far less an issue than shoe connections and money. That we got this close on Leaf and some of the other guys is a positive. We weren't on the radar of elite recruits a few years ago. Now we are. It might take a year or two, but it will pay off.
Meantime, I'm incredibly excited about this season starting.
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Post by standiego on Nov 13, 2015 9:29:27 GMT -8
We did land Narain for 2016 , big Q is he a 5 in training or another 4 ? More then quantity we Need the high quality 5 especially for 2016 . We also have MG-C IF he can regain his skills that he had when he was in HS he will be a major player for SDSU . Plus Z and JH. Max is a taller version of Shrigley a 3 point shooter .
Is the class "fine" and is Fine good enough to get us to E8 level.The recruiting HS class for 2016 was not very good . We did not sign numerous guys for numerous reasons , that do need to at least reviewed . NCAA, G5 vs P5 , BJ , .... please do not say we had more talent or not enough PT . Did we just lose or did we not really have a chance to sign them , is being next in line good enough if we want to be E8? Can we also forget the idea that local 5 star HS guys see playing in their home city is important to them as it is to some local fans , to me once they are in red and clack UNI they are SDSU . We have lost TJ , Hands for 2017 .... McCoy . Also the sons of grads does not seem to work either . The big need for 2016 was a quality 5 , that was not filled . Can we really expect to land the grad transfer or JUCO guy to be that guy in 2016 .
Do think it will be important for this year's team to do well in MM . Show we do play some up tempo style of offense and that we do involve the 5 in the offense , to add the needed players for 2016. Recruiting is very difficult especially when we want to compete on the E8 level . Staff did add some players but being transfers/red shirts we do not know how good until they get involved . We also hope there is a decent base group to build from but they also are not that experienced or proven Zylan , JH , Kell ?
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Post by Cwag on Nov 13, 2015 10:43:48 GMT -8
If you can't see that this has been a disastrous recruiting season, you are a fool. We have gaping holes in next year's roster, multiple open scholarships, and managed to land one of our targeted recruits. We can say "We'll be fine" and that may be true but we aren't as fine as we'd be had managed to land 3 incoming freshman instead of one. Why were we recruiting kids if we didn't need them? Sure, we might pick up a Deshawn Stephens J.C. under the radar "big" or a late bloomer fringe d1 guy, or a Garrett Green senior transfer type, none of these are going to have the promise of skills of the guys we didn't land. There was a turd in the punch bowl this year. It was no accident. The timing of the complaint and it's publication were no accidents. While we never know exactly how bad it hurt us, we do know that we whiffed on all but one recruit. We didn't land the guys that the recruiting sites thought we should. We actually already have the late bloomer overshadowed kid from a good squad. The sky isn't falling. Our season isn't wrecked. But, our future is more perilous. We are going to have to do a lot of work next year. We won't have the luxury of taking a bunch of bounce back transfers as we will need players immediately and at every position. I trust the coaches and staff. You act like they are incompentent idiots.
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Post by aztecfaulku on Nov 13, 2015 10:44:43 GMT -8
My concern is that the PAC is on the rise in a major way. Its one thing to lose out to the Arizonas and UCLAs but we have been losing out to Oregon and USC lately. (McLauglin, Metu) (Smart MJ Cage) and ASU with Hurley is on the rise as that whole conference. With the MWC arrow ponting down and the PAC establishing itself as one of the best conferneces in the country I fear we wont have a shot at the top west coast talent. It especially hurts that now San Diego is producing top HS talent (Hands, Leaf, McCoy, Ayton) and they seem to have no interest in staying home..
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Nov 13, 2015 10:58:27 GMT -8
My concern is that the PAC is on the rise in a major way. Its one thing to lose out to the Arizonas and UCLAs but we have been losing out to Oregon and USC lately. (McLauglin, Metu) (Smart MJ Cage) and ASU with Hurley is on the rise as that whole conference. With the MWC arrow ponting down and the PAC establishing itself as one of the best conferneces in the country I fear we wont have a shot at the top west coast talent. It especially hurts that now San Diego is producing top HS talent (Hands, Leaf, McCoy, Ayton) and they seem to have no interest in staying home.. Have we really been beating those schools on kids that those schools really want though? Even with our class of Z, Pope, and Kell I don't think we really beat any PAC schools for them (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong). Kell we beat Vanderbilt for if I'm not mistaken. Pope went to midnight madness at Kansas but they effectively chose Oubre over him so he went here. We beat out UNM for Z.
Going back further, we beat out UNM for Winston. We did beat out PAC schools for Kawhi but that's because he was a late bloomer and they were late to the party and we all know Kawhi is a stand up guy so he stood by his word and came here. I'm not sure about Hemsley, but I'm guessing we also beat out PAC schools for him as well. We've lost WAY more battles with PAC schools (even mediocre ones) in the past than we've won, so we shouldn't be too shocked nor should we be freaking out.
Fisher will bring in the talent and be able to coach it up to be a very good team in 2016. I have no doubts
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Post by HollywoodAztec on Nov 13, 2015 10:59:38 GMT -8
This has to be the worst recruitment season we have had... What's concerning is that even with the Jam center, we could not attract more than 1 "freshmen" recruit I don't want to hear about transfers sitting out this year...those players came this year.. We absolutely had a bust of a recruitment season...coaching staff has to revaluate their strategy...it's obvious that PAC 12 schools are attracting all of our 4-5 star possible recruits..it's obvious that the better rated kids are seeing us as only a mid major school It's time to get those 3 stars that turn into better basketball players on the Mesa....recruit out of San Diego...and go find them out of state...when is the largest time we recruited a player out of the Midwest and east coast...it seems that we only recruit California, Arizona, and Nevada...how about the other states? What a total bomb...especially since we could only get 1 3 star recruit...not 1 player ranked in the top 100 It certainly was disappointing not landing any of our top recruits but I wouldn't suggest we re-evaluate our recruiting strategy. We may have joined the blue bloods in going after top 100 players but we're basically still one the new kids on the block. Being a newbie comes with many challenges and disappointments. However, do look at the positive side because we were finalists in their choices. A complete turnaround from years past when such recruits wouldn't even give us the time of day or consider us one of their finalists. Our staff is one of the best in the West Coast hence why we're aiming to get another invitation to the Big Dance for the 7th straight year. Your knee-jerk reaction to what happened was understandable but unnecessary. The sweetest revenge would be for us to finally break our Sweet 16 ceiling this season and for Oregon and UCLA lose in the first round.
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Post by missiontrails on Nov 13, 2015 11:00:21 GMT -8
My concern is that the PAC is on the rise in a major way. Its one thing to lose out to the Arizonas and UCLAs but we have been losing out to Oregon and USC lately. (McLauglin, Metu) (Smart MJ Cage) and ASU with Hurley is on the rise as that whole conference. With the MWC arrow ponting down and the PAC establishing itself as one of the best conferneces in the country I fear we wont have a shot at the top west coast talent. It especially hurts that now San Diego is producing top HS talent (Hands, Leaf, McCoy, Ayton) and they seem to have no interest in staying home.. See my earlier post re "athletic funds" the big conference schools legally have now. The disadvantage is real, and it's only going to get worse. A major reason why I vehemently oppose college athletes getting paid. That can of worms is now open.
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Nov 13, 2015 11:02:52 GMT -8
WA followers were butt hurt big time that Cheatham selected SDSU. They couldn't believe that they were even in a race with NM & SDSU for Zylan!
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Post by Old School on Nov 13, 2015 11:22:05 GMT -8
The horses are already in the stable (with transfers waiting their turns). It's the "TEAM" that needs to jell. I think that's what everyone's worried about. Also, the high expectations and ratings from the pundits turn up the pressure.
Oldie Out
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Post by standiego on Nov 13, 2015 12:12:55 GMT -8
Our coaches spent numerous hours and money looking at various HS recruits this summer , plus during the last year or two . They worked their tails off . We may have come in second - that is moral victory at best If they end up coming back later or we saw other recruits for other years . If E8 is a goal , do we have enough to get there is what may matter. Coaches would not have put in the effort if they did really want to sign the 6 or so guys they wanted . We got 1 . this was after we signed both MG-C and Max . There was a major need a guy to play the 5 . We did not, so now it means trying to get best we can to help the 2016 team . Coaches gave it their best try but what can they do to improve going forward If E8 is the goal now ?
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Post by Cwag on Nov 13, 2015 12:20:06 GMT -8
Our coaches spent numerous hours and money looking at various HS recruits this summer , plus during the last year or two . They worked their tails off . We may have come in second - that is moral victory at best If they end up coming back later or we saw other recruits for other years . If E8 is a goal , do we have enough to get there is what may matter. Coaches would not have put in the effort if they did really want to sign the 6 or so guys they wanted . We got 1 . this was after we signed both MG-C and Max . There was a major need a guy to play the 5 . We did not, so now it means trying to get best we can to help the 2016 team . Coaches gave it their best try but what can they do to improve going forward If E8 is the goal now ? We have Ben Perez!
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Post by docmm on Nov 13, 2015 12:34:24 GMT -8
People aren't giving enough credit to the abilities of our coaches to coach kids "up". I know it should be easier to go farther in MM with more kids with more recruiting stars. But do we so quickly forget what this staff has done with a lot of transfers, 2 and 3 star players? We're going to lose way more than win going against the big programs until/unless we go consistently far in MM. Take away Franklin's brain cramp and Florida Gulf Coast going crazy and our MM history is significantly better. We'll get there. My biggest concern is losing Fish. No matter how good Dutch is in so many areas, Fish is the face, heart and soul of our program. That will be the biggest loss we ever suffer.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2015 13:17:09 GMT -8
If you can't see that this has been a disastrous recruiting season, you are a fool. We have gaping holes in next year's roster, multiple open scholarships, and managed to land one of our targeted recruits. We can say "We'll be fine" and that may be true but we aren't as fine as we'd be had managed to land 3 incoming freshman instead of one. Why were we recruiting kids if we didn't need them? Sure, we might pick up a Deshawn Stephens J.C. under the radar "big" or a late bloomer fringe d1 guy, or a Garrett Green senior transfer type, none of these are going to have the promise of skills of the guys we didn't land. There was a turd in the punch bowl this year. It was no accident. The timing of the complaint and it's publication were no accidents. While we never know exactly how bad it hurt us, we do know that we whiffed on all but one recruit. We didn't land the guys that the recruiting sites thought we should. We actually already have the late bloomer overshadowed kid from a good squad. The sky isn't falling. Our season isn't wrecked. But, our future is more perilous. We are going to have to do a lot of work next year. We won't have the luxury of taking a bunch of bounce back transfers as we will need players immediately and at every position. I tend to disagree with your take somewhat. You are indeed correct in that we whiffed on several of our 2016 targets, but in context, unlike other years, it won't hurt us as much just yet. It just depends upon what we do before the start of the 2016-17 year in regards to 5th year/JC guys and the class of 2017. The 2016 Freshman class will have two 4 star rated bigs in it [Narrian, McDaniels]. We also added to the Sophomore class some pretty highly rated guys. The Sophomore class now has Z, Gil-Ceaser, Hoeztil, Helmsley. The door is not shut yet on the class of 2016 and if we can land a 5th year or JC Center or two, 2016 will be just fine. It may not have been the NCAA story that pushed guys away, but available playing time. The SDSU roster is built quite well amongst the Senior, Junior, Sophomore and Freshman classes, we are just short in the Center Department. I would think that all the available playing time at the Center position should be attractive to a 5th year transfer or a JC guy. Perhaps not having a Center in the way may prove attractive to McCoy in 2017.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2015 13:27:26 GMT -8
If you can't see that this has been a disastrous recruiting season, you are a fool. We have gaping holes in next year's roster, multiple open scholarships, and managed to land one of our targeted recruits. We can say "We'll be fine" and that may be true but we aren't as fine as we'd be had managed to land 3 incoming freshman instead of one. Why were we recruiting kids if we didn't need them? Sure, we might pick up a Deshawn Stephens J.C. under the radar "big" or a late bloomer fringe d1 guy, or a Garrett Green senior transfer type, none of these are going to have the promise of skills of the guys we didn't land. There was a turd in the punch bowl this year. It was no accident. The timing of the complaint and it's publication were no accidents. While we never know exactly how bad it hurt us, we do know that we whiffed on all but one recruit. We didn't land the guys that the recruiting sites thought we should. We actually already have the late bloomer overshadowed kid from a good squad. The sky isn't falling. Our season isn't wrecked. But, our future is more perilous. We are going to have to do a lot of work next year. We won't have the luxury of taking a bunch of bounce back transfers as we will need players immediately and at every position. I tend to disagree with your take somewhat. You are indeed correct in that we whiffed on several of our 2016 targets, but in context, unlike other years, it won't hurt us as much just yet. It just depends upon what we do before the start of the 2016-17 year in regards to 5th year/JC guys and the class of 2017. The 2016 Freshman class will have two 4 star rated bigs in it [Narrian, McDaniels]. We also added to the Sophomore class some pretty highly rated guys. The Sophomore class now has Z, Gil-Ceaser, Hoeztil, Helmsley. The door is not shut yet on the class of 2016 and if we can land a 5th year or JC Center or two, 2016 will be just fine. It may not have been the NCAA story that pushed guys away, but available playing time. The SDSU roster is built quite well amongst the Senior, Junior, Sophomore and Freshman classes, we are just short in the Center Department. I would think that all the available playing time at the Center position should be attractive to a 5th year transfer or a JC guy. Perhaps not having a Center in the way may prove attractive to McCoy in 2017. We have major minutes available for bigs next year. We actively pursued some to fill open scholarships and whiffed. The caliber of player still available for 2016 is lower and we are looking to pick them up as a last second entrant into their recruitment. We can all hope for a monster jC player or a high level fifth year senior. There are years where neither exist. As Josh Davis like transfers dances through our imaginations, I think it would be more realistic that we land a d.stephens type player. If we're lucky we may land a g.green.
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Post by waxxon on Nov 13, 2015 13:52:11 GMT -8
the biggest concern is the post position for next year and beyond
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Post by AztecD on Nov 13, 2015 14:21:03 GMT -8
Gotta believe we would have been able to land 1-2 of the big names we were after if it wasn't for the NCAA allegations. Oregon and Gary Parrish will get whats coming to them.
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Post by Pasadenaztec on Nov 13, 2015 15:50:50 GMT -8
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Nov 13, 2015 15:57:23 GMT -8
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Post by Old School on Nov 13, 2015 16:02:17 GMT -8
Oldie Out
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Post by standiego on Nov 14, 2015 8:29:11 GMT -8
Bottom line . What is the standard you see the team should be at every year winning MW , MW T , getting into MM , SW16 , E8 ? Does it look as though we have it for 2016 team ?, a lot depends on guys playing the 5 position , both ends of the court . Skylar on D has been some one we all forget about, until he is gone for 2016 season. We do not know about how Narain , Jalen , ..... will be for 2016 . Nolan is learning this year while red shirting.
We were not able to sign numerous 5's that came to visit Kone , Cage , Stanback(most important loss of all the HS recruits for our need ) . they were the main priority for 2016 . We also missed out on Williams the C/PF transfer that went to the Zags we signed Max. We also had the JAM center to help recruiting. We have no clue as of today what guys maybe available for grad transfers that play the 5 well, will also need to look at the JC guys , but that is not that easy to get high quality ones .
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