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Post by giju on Nov 12, 2015 19:31:13 GMT -8
This has to be the worst recruitment season we have had...
What's concerning is that even with the Jam center, we could not attract more than 1 "freshmen" recruit
I don't want to hear about transfers sitting out this year...those players came this year..
We absolutely had a bust of a recruitment season...coaching staff has to revaluate their strategy...it's obvious that PAC 12 schools are attracting all of our 4-5 star possible recruits..it's obvious that the better rated kids are seeing us as only a mid major school
It's time to get those 3 stars that turn into better basketball players on the Mesa....recruit out of San Diego...and go find them out of state...when is the largest time we recruited a player out of the Midwest and east coast...it seems that we only recruit California, Arizona, and Nevada...how about the other states?
What a total bomb...especially since we could only get 1 3 star recruit...not 1 player ranked in the top 100
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Post by KDub on Nov 12, 2015 19:33:29 GMT -8
I get your point, but it's very difficult to ignor the transfers as you suggest.
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Post by laaztec on Nov 12, 2015 19:35:24 GMT -8
No need to panic after one down year.
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Post by giju on Nov 12, 2015 19:37:19 GMT -8
But once again, the transfers came in 2015 signing period...not this year...I can care less if they will play next year
The concern is the lack of freshmen recruits for 2016...we have totally took 2 steps back and this might have a negative impact on our teams future recruiting
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Post by aztecanthony on Nov 12, 2015 19:47:01 GMT -8
But once again, the transfers came in 2015 signing period...not this year...I can care less if they will play next year The concern is the lack of freshmen recruits for 2016...we have totally took 2 steps back and this might have a negative impact on our teams future recruiting I disagree, many of these recruits did not commit to sdsu because of the transfer talent. As long as we keep bringing in TALENT, we will be just fine.
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Post by KDub on Nov 12, 2015 19:50:50 GMT -8
I don't mean to argue, but consider the fact that the freshman committing in 2015 (playing in 2016) are certainly thinking about the transfers. A freshman 2 has got to compete against MGC for playing time if he wants to play right away. They also have to compete against Hemsley at point, the possibility of Pope at the 3, Z at the 4 etc. Believe me, I'm bummed when we miss out on the few recruits we do target every year, but freshman recruits must think about what the team will look like the following year and, thus, must consider the transfers.
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Post by C'mon Man on Nov 12, 2015 20:56:14 GMT -8
I don't mean to argue, but consider the fact that the freshman committing in 2015 (playing in 2016) are certainly thinking about the transfers. A freshman 2 has got to compete against MGC for playing time if he wants to play right away. They also have to compete against Hemsley at point, the possibility of Pope at the 3, Z at the 4 etc. Believe me, I'm bummed when we miss out on the few recruits we do target every year, but freshman recruits must think about what the team will look like the following year and, thus, must consider the transfers. Agreed. OP is letting their emotions get the best of them. Biggest instant overreaction thread since Aztec Panther Eric's thread after the USD football game. Yeah, the staff needs to re-think their recruiting strategy...the same strategy that landed Kell, Pope, Cheatham and Chol in the same year. Brilliant idea. OP needs to sleep it off. We'll be fine. In Fish I trust.
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Post by aztecttcas on Nov 12, 2015 20:57:18 GMT -8
I don't mean to argue, but consider the fact that the freshman committing in 2015 (playing in 2016) are certainly thinking about the transfers. A freshman 2 has got to compete against MGC for playing time if he wants to play right away. They also have to compete against Hemsley at point, the possibility of Pope at the 3, Z at the 4 etc. Believe me, I'm bummed when we miss out on the few recruits we do target every year, but freshman recruits must think about what the team will look like the following year and, thus, must consider the transfers. I agree. High schoolers have to considrr the transfers. Other than Leaf or a bona fide 5star player...all high schoolers have to contend with who is front of them.
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Post by AztecBill on Nov 12, 2015 21:04:39 GMT -8
Nolan Narin Jalen McDaniels
That is two freshman recruits. Both are 4 stars by some sites. Nolan will just spend what would have been his senior year here, but he is part of the effort for the 2016 class.
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Post by Simsonic on Nov 12, 2015 21:22:47 GMT -8
But once again, the transfers came in 2015 signing period...not this year...I can care less if they will play next year The concern is the lack of freshmen recruits for 2016...we have totally took 2 steps back and this might have a negative impact on our teams future recruiting Stop smoking the bad stuff. Are from another school trolling here? I'd way rather have transfers because they are on the bench learning the system and practicing every day getting better and older and more mature. Also, I'd rather that Fisher goes after 5 star players and loses them to Kansas and UCLA. Big deal. As long as we get a few, I trust Fisher and co to do what they have been doing - coach. They are by far the best coaches in the west. Hands down. They get more out of less than any other staff.
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Post by fisherville on Nov 12, 2015 21:32:17 GMT -8
Narain and Jalen are both very good gets. The reality is the NCAA investigation probably is the reason for the losses of Melton and Cage, and lost any chance we had with Mathews.
This years recruiting class won't hurt our future recruiting at all in fact it will help if playing time opens up, even if its just minutes off the bench, of course the key is everything getting cleared up and being clean with NCAA.
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Post by giju on Nov 12, 2015 21:33:44 GMT -8
Can u each tell me how this years recruiting helps with next years team?
We need bigs...who do we have that will be the backup or starting center?
Spencer, Chol, and Pope will be gone...who will I depend on..a Freshmen Narains...maybe Federico?
Ask any of the coaching staff how this years recruiting was below average what SDSU expects...what's most concerning is the PAC12 schools being preferred than SDSU
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Post by northcountymike on Nov 12, 2015 21:36:39 GMT -8
"Worst recruitment season we have had?" Since when? When did you start watching this program?
The team will be fine; the coaches will find under-the-radar talent and get a couple of talented transfers like every year. Yes, the lack of a bona-fide 5-star talent stinks, but we've made it work plenty of times in the past. We only recruit in California? Hell, we got Narain from Canada. I do like the fact that we're going after California guys hard though...in years past (probably before you started watching), we couldn't sniff a 4-star guy from California. Now, we're competing with UCLA, Arizona, and Gonzaga for recruits, and we have a few 4-star guys on our team.
Let me ask this, the best team that SDSU has ever had (2010-2011 team that lost to UConn in the Sweet 16)...how many 5-star guys were on that team? 4-star? The starting 5 was comprised of a couple of transfers (Carlwell and Thomas), a shooting guard forced to play the point who's only other offer was to UCI (Gay), Kawhi (who wasn't even a 5-star guy coming out of high school), and a 3-star hot-and-cold athletic forward (Billy White). Throw in another transfer from Santa Clara (James Rahon), and under-rated 3-star at best, Chase Tapley, and that team somehow accomplished greatness.
That being said, you don't need a team of all 5-star, highly-rated guys to be successful; there are a lot of variables and SDSU has been able to accomplish a ton of big-time goals with great coaching and by playing as a team.
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Post by sdcoug on Nov 12, 2015 23:00:12 GMT -8
Can u each tell me how this years recruiting helps with next years team? We need bigs...who do we have that will be the backup or starting center? Spencer, Chol, and Pope will be gone...who will I depend on..a Freshmen Narains...maybe Federico? Ask any of the coaching staff how this years recruiting was below average what SDSU expects...what's most concerning is the PAC12 schools being preferred than SDSU Recruiting isn't over for next year. Far from it. There's the late period for bigs who may develop late and have breakout seasons, JCs, and then you have grad transfers, many who might drool over the possibility of stepping into a rotation role on a tourney team. Even without we still have Z, McD, Norain and Max in the rotation at the 4-5, and we could even play smaller. He'll, Pope could return as well.
I would be shocked if we didn't land another solid big or two before June.
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Post by missiontrails on Nov 13, 2015 0:13:46 GMT -8
As already mentioned, this was the EARLY signing period. The year isn't over.
However, don't underestimate the advantage that the P5 schools have now with athletic payment funds. It's not just per diem for the athletes, many of the bigger schools actually have the funding for other perks - flights for parents, etc. One of my daughter's teammates is being nationally recruited for basketball, and the stories her mom tells me regarding what some of the big time east coast teams offer would make Coach Terry faint out of jealousy.
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Post by tecsonthebeach on Nov 13, 2015 1:15:03 GMT -8
nm
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Post by twobits on Nov 13, 2015 5:15:32 GMT -8
Shift strategy? We just need the NCAA investigation to clear us and we'll be back to getting 4 star recruits.
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Nov 13, 2015 6:06:54 GMT -8
I take it there is "no limit" on 1 and done graduate seniors. Who's to say the staff doesn't come up with 1 or even 2 grads with eligibility that would like a change of scenery and playing time in America's Finest City?
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Post by Cwag on Nov 13, 2015 6:27:41 GMT -8
What a bunch of Chicken Littles. Maybe this is all because Steve Fisher took a vacation? We have had a great program for years now and its in fine shape.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2015 8:32:51 GMT -8
If you can't see that this has been a disastrous recruiting season, you are a fool. We have gaping holes in next year's roster, multiple open scholarships, and managed to land one of our targeted recruits. We can say "We'll be fine" and that may be true but we aren't as fine as we'd be had managed to land 3 incoming freshman instead of one. Why were we recruiting kids if we didn't need them? Sure, we might pick up a Deshawn Stephens J.C. under the radar "big" or a late bloomer fringe d1 guy, or a Garrett Green senior transfer type, none of these are going to have the promise of skills of the guys we didn't land. There was a turd in the punch bowl this year. It was no accident. The timing of the complaint and it's publication were no accidents. While we never know exactly how bad it hurt us, we do know that we whiffed on all but one recruit. We didn't land the guys that the recruiting sites thought we should. We actually already have the late bloomer overshadowed kid from a good squad. The sky isn't falling. Our season isn't wrecked. But, our future is more perilous. We are going to have to do a lot of work next year. We won't have the luxury of taking a bunch of bounce back transfers as we will need players immediately and at every position.
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