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Post by originalshow00 on Oct 6, 2015 17:25:46 GMT -8
Can we avoid the two star recruits until it is absolutely necessary!It is getting out of control.
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Post by badfish on Oct 6, 2015 17:57:48 GMT -8
Dumb thread. Leon McFadden and Gavin Escobar were both 2 star players while we've seen 3 of our last 4 star recruits not even make it to campus.
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Post by badfish on Oct 6, 2015 18:02:52 GMT -8
3/12 3* recruits from our 2011 class ended up finishing their career here.
Munson was a 2*.
Need I go on?
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Post by originalshow00 on Oct 7, 2015 12:32:04 GMT -8
3/12 3* recruits from our 2011 class ended up finishing their career here. Munson was a 2*. Need I go on? Ok so three players in 6 recruiting classes that were two stars worked out.How is that going to get us a undefeated record.
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Post by originalshow00 on Oct 7, 2015 12:40:20 GMT -8
Burgundy and hoobs lay off the crack pipe
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Post by sdcoug on Oct 7, 2015 13:31:33 GMT -8
3/12 3* recruits from our 2011 class ended up finishing their career here. Munson was a 2*. Need I go on? Ok so three players in 6 recruiting classes that were two stars worked out.How is that going to get us a undefeated record. Only 3 teams in our conference currently have higher rated classes, and last I checked its 4 months until signing day. Chill. the foundation of every team team in our conference is 2 and 3 star talent. Welcome to the real world where $ rules. if you think we are ever going to go undefeated, especially playing the UCLAs and ASUs of the world, you definitely do need to put the crack pipe down and come back to reality.
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Post by originalshow00 on Oct 7, 2015 15:08:36 GMT -8
Ok so three players in 6 recruiting classes that were two stars worked out.How is that going to get us a undefeated record. Only 3 teams in our conference currently have higher rated classes, and last I checked its 4 months until signing day. Chill. the foundation of every team team in our conference is 2 and 3 star talent. Welcome to the real world where $ rules. if you think we are ever going to go undefeated, especially playing the UCLAs and ASUs of the world, you definitely do need to put the crack pipe down and come back to reality. We should only be targeting 3 and 4 star players at this point.Do you think our basketball program would have made it this far with redshirted two star players?Of course not,Look at the league our basketball program plays in.It is not the league it is the prestige of the coach and how he recruits.
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Post by sdcoug on Oct 7, 2015 15:47:26 GMT -8
Only 3 teams in our conference currently have higher rated classes, and last I checked its 4 months until signing day. Chill. the foundation of every team team in our conference is 2 and 3 star talent. Welcome to the real world where $ rules. if you think we are ever going to go undefeated, especially playing the UCLAs and ASUs of the world, you definitely do need to put the crack pipe down and come back to reality. We should only be targeting 3 and 4 star players at this point.Do you think our basketball program would have made it this far with redshirted two star players?Of course not,Look at the league our basketball program plays in.It is not the league it is the prestige of the coach and how he recruits. Absolute BS. BB and football are 2 very different animals, and what players want today is BLING. P5 programs invested heavily over the past 5 years and provide a LOT more than we can or ever will (without TV revenue). Better stadiums, FOBs, training staff and facilities, tutoring and even training table. The goal is to play in big bowl games, which is also easier at P5s. Per 247 sports, which is as good as any of the ranking resources, we had the 4th best G5 recruiting class (including BYU) in the country last year, but that still only put us 67th overall. That's reality. Even then, nearly half the class was 2 stars. Many P5s are just now getting around to investing in hoops, but unlike football mid majors get you plenty of TV time and/or a dance ticket. SDSU has also invested in hoops, with a terrific arena and the JAM. We have none of that for football. Only BSU has the money to compete with the big boys, thanks to Thompson. The landscape is extremely unbalanced. You'd have to be living in a hole not to see that. Football budgets vary by 10x, which is less the case in hoops. One huge difference you see today, vs. even 2-3 years ago, is the lesser P5 teams like WSU are winning more recruiting battles vs. the better G5s. Didn't used to be the case, but $200 million investments will do that. If you want strictly 3+ stars what we need is a FOB like WSUs or even Boise, or basically a much grander JAM center focused on just football. Lastly, G5s rarely get 4 stars and when they do, it's typically late in the process. Typically after P5s have doubts or back off, and that's even the case with many 3 stars. We ended up doing very well the last few years (top 5 among G5s), and would expect close to the same this year. As noted, we are sitting 3rd in our conference, and I'm sure CSU is getting a boost from their new stadium. Recruiting in January and February is a more telling sign of success than October.
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Post by originalshow00 on Oct 7, 2015 19:40:36 GMT -8
Revenue comes in with better players and more wins exactly like basketball did.THE RECRUITING FLAT OUT SUCKS AT SDSU RIGHT NOW UNTIL THAT CHANGES NO ONE WILL GO TO THE GAMES AND NO MONEY WILL COME IN.Imagine getting a basketball player with one other offer it could not be any more desparate than that.
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Post by cmonaztecs on Oct 7, 2015 20:18:52 GMT -8
Recruiting weekness...exactly. I know the competition now must be 20 fold over what Coryell had to contend with back in the 60's, but the big East conferences still existed back then and Coryell was still able to recruit NFL stars Willie Buchannan, Fred Dryer, Dennis Shaw, Don Horn, Haven Moses, Gary Garrison, Isaac Curtis, Mario Mendez, Jesse Freitas, Brian Sipe. These guys were winners, placed in an agressive pass first pro set scheme, where receivers can create space snd get open with a QB who can sccurately pass the ball, talent that was heads above the competition. Notably QB, Receiver combos that you could score with while having mediocre talent on the rest of the team. Until we can do this, it won't happen again here.
We'll never have the size to be able to run over teams, but as Coryell proved a passing game can overcome the advantage of bigger stronger teams. It kills me when I see Rocky trying to play big East ball control running 2 or 3 times in a row. 3 plays and out. No excitement, unless you play a weak team. We need a change.
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Post by sdcoug on Oct 7, 2015 21:05:49 GMT -8
Revenue comes in with better players and more wins exactly like basketball did.THE RECRUITING FLAT OUT SUCKS AT SDSU RIGHT NOW UNTIL THAT CHANGES NO ONE WILL GO TO THE GAMES AND NO MONEY WILL COME IN.Imagine getting a basketball player with one other offer it could not be any more desparate than that. We will NEVER gain the revenue of a P5 program without being in a P5 conference. EVER. We could win 36 in a row and it wouldn't happen. You don't make up $15 million, sorry. You have your opinion but it's based on no recruiting facts. The recruiting experts will tell you SDSU is recruiting among the top 5-10 G5 programs nationally over the past few years. If you want to ignore the facts previously stated about the difference between football and basketball knock yourself out. It's not worth my time to repeat, and apparently you'll never get it anyway.
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Post by myownwords on Oct 8, 2015 16:47:29 GMT -8
Nevertheless, for the past few years of the Rocky Bomb, our recruiting rankings about equal our yearly rankings in the polls: Somewhere in the 60's or 70's. Pretty telling about the "stars", yes?
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Post by originalshow00 on Oct 8, 2015 20:10:35 GMT -8
Nevertheless, for the past few years of the Rocky Bomb, our recruiting rankings about equal our yearly rankings in the polls: Somewhere in the 60's or 70's. Pretty telling about the "stars", yes? Definitely need to pull off a top 35 recruiting class to go anywhere no matter what sport it is.We are so far off from that every year there is no chance.
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Post by standiego on Oct 8, 2015 20:40:54 GMT -8
Rarely do G5 schools get many 4 star or better recruits .Most schools need to land the 3 or even 2 stars and coach them up . major separation between the P and G schools , and it will only get worse , until we start being a contender for at least MW champs .
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Post by sdcoug on Oct 8, 2015 22:13:37 GMT -8
Nevertheless, for the past few years of the Rocky Bomb, our recruiting rankings about equal our yearly rankings in the polls: Somewhere in the 60's or 70's. Pretty telling about the "stars", yes? Definitely need to pull off a top 35 recruiting class to go anywhere no matter what sport it is.We are so far off from that every year there is no chance. The highest rated G5 recruiting class in the country per 24/7 sports ranked 56th in the nation. We weren't far behind. That's the norm. G5 schools don't attract anywhere near the same level of talent as P5 schools in football.
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Post by sdcoug on Oct 8, 2015 22:21:46 GMT -8
Nevertheless, for the past few years of the Rocky Bomb, our recruiting rankings about equal our yearly rankings in the polls: Somewhere in the 60's or 70's. Pretty telling about the "stars", yes? There should be some level of a correlation between recruiting success and success on the field, so shouldn't be surprising. We've been one of the better G5 programs when it comes to recruiting. Unfortunately even the best G5 recruiting programs (BYU and BSU - the 2 with the most money) rarely get into the top 30-40 in the recruiting rankings these days.
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Post by myownwords on Oct 9, 2015 6:08:00 GMT -8
Nevertheless, for the past few years of the Rocky Bomb, our recruiting rankings about equal our yearly rankings in the polls: Somewhere in the 60's or 70's. Pretty telling about the "stars", yes? There should be some level of a correlation between recruiting success and success on the field, so shouldn't be surprising. We've been one of the better G5 programs when it comes to recruiting. Unfortunately even the best G5 recruiting programs (BYU and BSU - the 2 with the most money) rarely get into the top 30-40 in the recruiting rankings these days. Agreed. But they have coaching which greatly improves that deficiency, and we do not. In fact, of late, we seem to have coaching which exacerbates that deficiency.
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Post by sdcoug on Oct 9, 2015 10:14:53 GMT -8
There should be some level of a correlation between recruiting success and success on the field, so shouldn't be surprising. We've been one of the better G5 programs when it comes to recruiting. Unfortunately even the best G5 recruiting programs (BYU and BSU - the 2 with the most money) rarely get into the top 30-40 in the recruiting rankings these days. Agreed. But they have coaching which greatly improves that deficiency, and we do not. In fact, of late, we seem to have coaching which exacerbates that deficiency. Disagree. We're among the top 5-10 G5 programs over the past few years when it comes to recruiting rankings, despite the facility & financial deficits. That IS good recruiting.
If you want to know why BSU & BYU recruit so well look at the Football ops buildings & their facilities in general, plus history. We've just started to build that "history" over the past 5 years; we're far from matching either of them (or many others) in terms of facilities.
As for the on field performance, we're 1 game behind where we should be this year, but it needs to get better. As we get healthy we should.
We're not going to get closer to the P5's; the gap is only growing. The deficit will be there.
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Post by myownwords on Oct 9, 2015 10:19:43 GMT -8
Agreed. But they have coaching which greatly improves that deficiency, and we do not. In fact, of late, we seem to have coaching which exacerbates that deficiency. Disagree. We're among the top 5-10 G5 programs over the past few years when it comes to recruiting rankings, despite the facility & financial deficits. That IS good recruiting.
If you want to know why BSU & BYU recruit so well look at the Football ops buildings & their facilities in general, plus history. We've just started to build that "history" over the past 5 years; we're far from matching either of them (or many others) in terms of facilities.
Agree or not. There is no disagreement possible about the continued listless meandering of our football program and the constancy of our inferiority to the programs you've mentioned.
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Post by sdcoug on Oct 9, 2015 10:24:37 GMT -8
Disagree. We're among the top 5-10 G5 programs over the past few years when it comes to recruiting rankings, despite the facility & financial deficits. That IS good recruiting.
If you want to know why BSU & BYU recruit so well look at the Football ops buildings & their facilities in general, plus history. We've just started to build that "history" over the past 5 years; we're far from matching either of them (or many others) in terms of facilities.
Agree or not. There is no disagreement possible about the continued listless meandering of our football program and the constancy of our inferiority to the programs you've mentioned.We've had more successes over the past 4-5 years than most G5 programs. That's not meandering nor listless. The gap is financial, and that's going to remain no matter who's in charge given BSU's TV contract. We aren't going to match BSU or BYU financially, nor any of the P5's.
In the MW, we're in that 2nd tier of teams w/ FSU, CSU, etc. That's reality. FSU has the fan base; CSU just got the facilities boost. Hopefully when this Chargers fiasco gets resolved we'll have both.
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