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Post by uwphoto on Sept 30, 2015 17:29:54 GMT -8
Can someone please explain the difference between Brigham Young and Warren Jeffs? Brigham Young put the same number (or more) of 12 year old girls into sexual bondage as Jeffs did, yet you have a University named after him?? How embarrassing. Yes, I did read "Under the Banner of Heaven" by Krakauer. But I am even more sickened after seeing the CNN special with Lisa Ling. I hope BYU loses every game they ever play for the rest of eternity.
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Post by aztecwin on May 26, 2016 6:45:28 GMT -8
Dang! Complete agreement! One of us better check his position.
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on May 26, 2016 9:05:18 GMT -8
I don't think I have a problem with having multiple wives or husbands. I DO have a problem with child brides which is nothing more than molestation.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jun 3, 2016 22:21:19 GMT -8
I am no fan of BYU, quite the contrary. And I am not a defender of the LDS church. However, I do see one important difference between Brigham Young and Warren Jeffs. To wit; Young was a 19th Century figure, and Jeffs is of the 21st Century. Before you froth up about how the century makes no difference, let me ask you to consider one thing. The general attitude of society towards women in the 19th Century was strikingly different from that of 21st Century society. I am speaking of the U.S. especially.
Let me be clear. Young's actions were generally condemned in the 19th Century, but many of those who condemned him probably held beliefs regarding women that we would also find objectionable. Let me give another example. I think I am not unreasonable when I say that many, perhaps most, mid-19th Century abolitionists, though they nobly condemned slavery, would have been scandalized if their daughters wanted to marry a black man. Young's actions seem utterly abhorrent to most of us, but they probably seemed slightly less abhorrent to 19th Century people in general.
In my mind all that cuts Young only slightly less slack than Jeffs. Jeffs, in my opinion is a complete scoundrel with no redeeming attributes who should never see another free day as long as he lives.
My lesson to you is that we should be careful about judging persons from the past by current standards. That can be a tricky proposition.
AzWm
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Jun 6, 2016 12:02:20 GMT -8
Before you froth up about how the century makes no difference, let me ask you to consider one thing. The general attitude of society towards women in the 19th Century was strikingly different from that of 21st Century society. I speaking of the U.S. especially. AzWm Speaking from experience of having lived it?
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Post by AztecWilliam on Sept 12, 2016 13:14:49 GMT -8
Before you froth up about how the century makes no difference, let me ask you to consider one thing. The general attitude of society towards women in the 19th Century was strikingly different from that of 21st Century society. I speaking of the U.S. especially. AzWm Speaking from experience of having lived it? Reports that I can remember the 19th Century are greatly exaggerated. AzWm
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