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Post by AccessBowlTime on Oct 5, 2015 18:02:29 GMT -8
DINO BABERSI think everyone could get behind that guy. No ... Not me either. As one of the better posters said on the other board, Babers was a terrible OC until he went to work for Briles and learned the Baylor offense. Eventually new fangled offenses no longer work and I could see Babers having a great first season on the Mesa, then a disappointing one and then a downright lousy one. No thanks.
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Post by sdsu2000 on Oct 5, 2015 18:21:20 GMT -8
Not me either. As one of the better posters said on the other board, Babers was a terrible OC until he went to work for Briles and learned the Baylor offense. Eventually new fangled offenses no longer work and I could see Babers having a great first season on the Mesa, then a disappointing one and then a downright lousy one. No thanks. Remember people saying the offense Urban Meyer was using wouldn't last and then couldn't work at a big time program. I also remember when the thought of a Big 10 school running a spread was laughable. If Babers new fangled offense only worked for 10 years I'd be happy because he'd only be here for 3-5 years anyway. Truth is no one knows how long that system will be successful. Baylor seems to be still going strong and no one has used it in the MW yet. Not to mention all the current offenses in the NFL and NCAA were once new fangled. To take the next step we need a hot young OC who's fired up on the sideline, tries to run up the score every game and has an uptempo attack. If we don't we are going to miss out on better recruits. That's what the kids want. So if it's not Babers that brings that OC in it has to be the next coach anyways. Rocky can't bring that guy in because he doesn't like to go outside his circle and is probably scared to gamble on a young hot OC at a smaller program.
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Post by fisherville on Oct 5, 2015 18:48:49 GMT -8
Well, aside from a few sticks in the mud... Seriously, he's a great candidate and would likely be the right guy for this program. His brand of football is what sells tickets here in San Diego AND he's a proven winner & program builder. No, if you want a serious evaluation about Babers -- go to the other site where his pro's and con's are discussed in depth. The short of it is that once defenses catch up to the spread ... Babers has nothing That's some awful logic.
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Post by sdsuballer on Oct 5, 2015 20:39:08 GMT -8
No, if you want a serious evaluation about Babers -- go to the other site where his pro's and con's are discussed in depth. The short of it is that once defenses catch up to the spread ... Babers has nothing That's some awful logic. Oh well... Beats running up the middle, running to the left, running to the right, and then punt.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 5, 2015 20:47:59 GMT -8
Not me either. As one of the better posters said on the other board, Babers was a terrible OC until he went to work for Briles and learned the Baylor offense. Eventually new fangled offenses no longer work and I could see Babers having a great first season on the Mesa, then a disappointing one and then a downright lousy one. No thanks. Remember people saying the offense Urban Meyer was using wouldn't last and then couldn't work at a big time program. I also remember when the thought of a Big 10 school running a spread was laughable. If Babers new fangled offense only worked for 10 years I'd be happy because he'd only be here for 3-5 years anyway. Truth is no one knows how long that system will be successful. Baylor seems to be still going strong and no one has used it in the MW yet. Not to mention all the current offenses in the NFL and NCAA were once new fangled. To take the next step we need a hot young OC who's fired up on the sideline, tries to run up the score every game and has an uptempo attack. If we don't we are going to miss out on better recruits. That's what the kids want. So if it's not Babers that brings that OC in it has to be the next coach anyways. Rocky can't bring that guy in because he doesn't like to go outside his circle and is probably scared to gamble on a young hot OC at a smaller program. I'd like to see Babers do it, but if it isn't him it has to be someone who is up and coming and has learned under a great coach. Or a great coach looking for a reboot who is willing to bring in aggressive young coaching talent for his staff. No more retreads with their comfy retread staffs...
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Post by HighNTight on Oct 5, 2015 21:57:25 GMT -8
Not me either. As one of the better posters said on the other board, Babers was a terrible OC until he went to work for Briles and learned the Baylor offense. Eventually new fangled offenses no longer work and I could see Babers having a great first season on the Mesa, then a disappointing one and then a downright lousy one. No thanks. The posts that got me to re-evaluate my thoughts on Babers along with the one you identified were these:
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Post by HollywoodAztec on Oct 6, 2015 9:05:42 GMT -8
Tollner was a bad hire for USC, and he was a bad hire for SDSU. He was never in the same league as Brown, Davis, or Tressel. I think SDSU absolutely needs the "bells and whistles" of a nationally recognized coach. All three guys, including Ogeron, have led major programs successfully. Brown in particular is a salesman and he is great with the media. He is also still connected to Texas. If SDSU ever wants to get into the B12, it's going to have to go through Austin. Yes you’re right that Tollner isn’t on the same league as the coaches you mentioned but he represents the Aztecs’ past – a history we don’t want to repeat. And both Brown and Davis also belong in the past because they are past their prime. I don’t think any school will be willing to place their future in the hands of these coaches who are in the twilight of their careers. And I’m being generous by using the term “twilight.” I’ve already mentioned the only two nationally recognized names that I think will bring excitement back to Aztec Nation – Orgeron and Pelini. These two produced winning records at powerhouse schools and they still have 10+ years ahead of them. We’re not looking for someone who will easily get acclimated to the laid back lifestyle of San Diego and retire on the job which both Brown and Davis are “prepared” candidates.
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Post by HollywoodAztec on Oct 6, 2015 9:16:19 GMT -8
Not me either. As one of the better posters said on the other board, Babers was a terrible OC until he went to work for Briles and learned the Baylor offense. Eventually new fangled offenses no longer work and I could see Babers having a great first season on the Mesa, then a disappointing one and then a downright lousy one. No thanks. The posts that got me to re-evaluate my thoughts on Babers along with the one you identified were these: Perhaps you are unfairly judging Babers. Granted he has a blemished past but I’d guess that most coaches don’t have unsoiled history. As well, he might not have been an outstanding OC, however he’s proving himself to be a very good HC, and this is what we’re searching for – a Head Coach not an Offensive Coordinator. It’s just a fact of life that there are some people who aren’t good at certain positions but excel in others. He took over Eastern Illinois after they had two years of 2-9 records and quickly turned it around by producing a 12-2 record in his 2nd season. Not many HC’s can do that. The jury is still out on Bowling Green however. What he does at BG will determine whether his future belongs in the more prestigious programs.
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Post by uncledougy on Oct 6, 2015 9:22:50 GMT -8
There will be Pros and Cons to any coach SDSU could hire. (Or any coach for that matter).
Basing a decision on what a coach has done in the past carries some weight, but most importantly is what they are doing Now! Babers has his you know what together at the moment and getting results I would love to have on the Mesa.
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Post by HighNTight on Oct 6, 2015 9:26:39 GMT -8
The posts that got me to re-evaluate my thoughts on Babers along with the one you identified were these: Perhaps you are unfairly judging Babers. Granted he has a blemished past but I’d guess that most coaches don’t have unsoiled history. As well, he might not have been an outstanding OC, however he’s proving himself to be a very good HC, and this is what we’re searching for – a Head Coach not an Offensive Coordinator. It’s just a fact of life that there are some people who aren’t good at certain positions but excel in others. He took over Eastern Illinois after they had two years of 2-9 records and quickly turned it around by producing a 12-2 record in his 2nd season. Not many HC’s can do that. The jury is still out on Bowling Green however. What he does at BG will determine whether his future belongs in the more prestigious programs. I am not outright dismissing Babers ... I have re-evaluated my thoughts about him and downgraded his positives in lights of questions about his qualifications and to what extent he is a disciple of Briles and the Baylor way -- right now Baylor is the focus of several investigations into patterns and practices regarding sexual assault, drugs and compliance issues by the program and its players including efforts to find a way to get players on the field who were indicted "but not currently jailed" ... I'm saying no to Babers until more of his history is sorted out --- there are too many questions for me to hand our program over to him ... it's fine for EIU or BGSU to take a chance on him, but if I am going to take a risk with the future of SDSU football, I'd rather take it on Orgeron or Pelini. EDIT: More info regarding issues at Baylor aztecmesa.proboards.com/post/826358/thread
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Oct 6, 2015 10:36:03 GMT -8
Houston Nutt!
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Post by fisherville on Oct 6, 2015 10:37:17 GMT -8
What Briles did unethically has nothing to do with Dino. There are reasons to not be enthused with Dino, but come up with better ones.
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Post by hoobs on Oct 6, 2015 11:00:56 GMT -8
A couple other interesting names lifted from smart posters over at Azt***fight...
Jeff Brohm Charlie Strong (likely to be unemployed soon)
Brohm is definitely in my personal top 3 (with Babers & Orgeron).
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Post by pbbroker on Oct 6, 2015 11:09:56 GMT -8
HA HA - Rocky is here to stay as long as his contract says.
END POINT
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Post by fisherville on Oct 6, 2015 11:11:41 GMT -8
Charlie Strong would be number 1 on my list of Texas were to actually fire him
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Post by Sdsu4life on Oct 6, 2015 11:39:49 GMT -8
A couple other interesting names lifted from smart posters over at Azt***fight... Jeff Brohm Charlie Strong (likely to be unemployed soon) Brohm is definitely in my personal top 3 (with Babers & Orgeron). Strong is getting at least another year.
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Post by tttrojan4life on Oct 6, 2015 15:51:51 GMT -8
I know Texas is bad right now, but Strong is the right guy. He will turn them around if given time. I hope they don't give him the axe.
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Post by rebar619 on Oct 6, 2015 16:04:09 GMT -8
I'm in agreement with you. However, when it comes to "established" candidates who can excite the boosters, the selection is limited. The pool decreases even more as to whom we can afford. Hoke was a "no-name" yet he was able to re-energize our fanbase. I have thrown my support behind Orgeron ... as the ideal candidate. I think we can afford him, and he's got something to prove as a head coach. He has a great rep for recruiting both the West and the South and and he has the connections to put together a great staff (especially if he can get Lubick from Oregon as his OC). He has some baggage from back in the day, so he's not without risk. If the LSU job comes open -- he'd probably leave SDSU for it. Absolutely my #1 pick as well. Orgeron would whip this team into shape and recruit his ass off.
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Post by rebar619 on Oct 6, 2015 16:11:27 GMT -8
A couple other interesting names lifted from smart posters over at Azt***fight... Jeff Brohm Charlie Strong (likely to be unemployed soon) Brohm is definitely in my personal top 3 (with Babers & Orgeron). Strong would be a fantastic hire, but I would still put Orgeron above him.
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Post by looch on Oct 6, 2015 16:25:30 GMT -8
If Brohm would leave his deep roots in Kentucky he should be on a short list for here.
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