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Post by AccessBowlTime on Aug 27, 2015 9:37:51 GMT -8
I still say if we schedule one of the true big boys and they have to come to SD before we return to their house, we will almost sell out the Q plus we'll earn ~$1.5M from traveling to play them. Huh? If it's a H&H there's no $1.5M payout. Oops. OK. There's just us going there once and them either playing or paying. |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Aug 27, 2015 9:57:42 GMT -8
This whole thing is very simple, starting 2018 we should have the following...
Hawaii at home
P5 home
P5 away
FCS home, paid game
G5 home, only top teams like UCF, etc. With the return game the next year when we play at Hawaii and can have five OCC games.
Hawaii away
P5 home
P5 away
FCS home, paid game
G5 away, return game
G5 home, paid game
If we continue to improve our program to the level of success that Utah amd TCU saw and BSU is seeing today then the home and home with the G5 could be lifted to be another home and home with a P5 school.
In thus way we get 6 out of 9 games at home and play four games against P5 and another two games against top G5 schoools. Also, only three of the games are paid.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 27, 2015 10:15:14 GMT -8
0 shot we can get a 1 for 1 with baylor And Baylor isn't worth taking a 2-4-1 with. Contrary to Nebraska, Michigan, Ohio State, ND or an SEC big boy (but forget them, they won't travel west of Tejas), Baylor won't bring more than 15K or so fans. Plus, although Baylor now has a great program, casual fans don't know that so Baylor won't motivate them to come to the Q. Plus, just how much would Baylor pay us to go to Waco? Not all that much would be my guess. I still say if we schedule one of the true big boys and they have to come to SD before we return to their house, we will almost sell out the Q plus we'll earn ~$1.5M from traveling to play them. I understand others disagree but just like I can't dissuade them from their position, they haven't been able to convince me to the contrary either. I'm wondering why this isn't pretty elementary CFB reality, circa 2015. The P5 schools hold almost all the cards. They can schedule Lamar, which amounts to a scrimmage for a Univ. of Texas. They can pay significant money to a Lamar or any of dozens of other FCS schools and both sides are happy. A Texas gets their scrimmage with virtually no chance of suffering a loss, their fans still fill the stadium even if the opponent is Barstow Farming and Animal Husbandry Tech, and the visiting school (aka Little Sisters of the Poor) takes home a nice fat check. One the other hand, if you are talking about SDSU, or Fresno State, or Central Florida, the picture is much different. Any of the three just mentioned is good enough so that a P5 school's chance of losing is much higher than if the opponent is a Lamar or Eastern Michigan. I think it's going to be much harder going forward to get even the lower P5 schools to agree to a home-and-home. The good P5 teams won't agree to a home-and-home under any circumstances (Pac-12 a possible exception), while the weaker P5 schools want sure wins to be bowl eligible. I'm not crazy about the home-and-home with Eastern Michigan, but I can understand why Sterk did it. He may well have tried to interest Purdue, or Indiana, or Vanderbilt in such a deal and was rebuffed. If you were the AD at Vandy, would you prefer to play SDSU when they could play Austin Peay instead? AzWm |
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Post by sdcoug on Aug 27, 2015 10:30:32 GMT -8
I'm wondering why this isn't pretty elementary CFB reality, circa 2015. The P5 schools hold almost all the cards. They can schedule Lamar, which amounts to a scrimmage for a Univ. of Texas. They can pay significant money to a Lamar or any of dozens of other FCS schools and both sides are happy. A Texas gets their scrimmage with virtually no chance of suffering a loss, their fans still fill the stadium even if the opponent is Barstow Farming and Animal Husbandry Tech, and the visiting school (aka Little Sisters of the Poor) takes home a nice fat check. One the other hand, if you are talking about SDSU, or Fresno State, or Central Florida, the picture is much different. Any of the three just mentioned is good enough so that a P5 school's chance of losing is much higher than if the opponent is a Lamar or Eastern Michigan. I think it's going to be much harder going forward to get even the lower P5 schools to agree to a home-and-home. The good P5 teams won't agree to a home-and-home under any circumstances (Pac-12 a possible exception), while the weaker P5 schools want sure wins to be bowl eligible. I'm not crazy about the home-and-home with Eastern Michigan, but I can understand why Sterk did it. He may well have tried to interest Purdue, or Indiana, or Vanderbilt in such a deal and was rebuffed. If you were the AD at Vandy, would you prefer to play SDSU when they could play Austin Peay instead? AzWm Agree, which is why its even more impressive that we've added ASU, Stanford & UCLA of late.
Those with the greatest challenge are the better G5 schools - there's a smaller window of P5's willing to take them on.
I do know another P12 school agreed to play us H&H but the years didn't match up. A year we needed a home game was a year they did as well, etc. So it fell through. Hopefully it lines up down the road (2020-ish?).
There are a lot of factors involved; scheduling is not the easiest song & dance, as I'm sure Bob's finding out real quick.
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Post by AzTex on Aug 27, 2015 12:56:19 GMT -8
Baylor would be fine, but so would Texas Tech, Kansas State, Iowa State, Kansas, and Oklahoma State. Sure, those schools vary greatly in terms of strength. Kansas is terrible, Iowa State pretty bad, Okie State pretty good, etc. But I would welcome a series with all the Big-12 schools except West Virginia (too far away), TCU, Oklahoma, and Texas (all very tough chances). The problem would be to get them to agree to a home and home, and that's the only way we should deal with the schools I suggested above. I can see money games against Top-10 schools (TCU, Oklahoma, Alabama, Michigan State, etc.), but we should limit those to one every two years. What we need is to get at least one P5 school to play here each year. I can't see how any P5 school would play here with no return game, and the very top schools would probably not play here under any circumstances. But Iowa State, Kentucky, Purdue, and the like might go for a home-and-home. AzWm Once upon a time we had home and home (home and away?) football games with Iowa State and Oklahoma State. I would be nice to start those up again, if possible, as well as games with any of the Big 12 teams. |
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Post by HighNTight on Aug 27, 2015 13:18:53 GMT -8
Interesting story about Baylor www.texasmonthly.com/article/silence-at-baylor/Not sure that is a program that we want to emulate or schedule at this time ... Lifted this from the AAC Board csnbbs.com/thread-745964.htmlSorry, but this is way too much taken from another site without permission. Let's not take chances, especially when a URL is available for readers to check out for themselves.
WLR
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Post by myownwords on Aug 27, 2015 13:20:52 GMT -8
Baylor would be fine, but so would Texas Tech, Kansas State, Iowa State, Kansas, and Oklahoma State. Sure, those schools vary greatly in terms of strength. Kansas is terrible, Iowa State pretty bad, Okie State pretty good, etc. But I would welcome a series with all the Big-12 schools except West Virginia (too far away), TCU, Oklahoma, and Texas (all very tough chances). The problem would be to get them to agree to a home and home, and that's the only way we should deal with the schools I suggested above. I can see money games against Top-10 schools (TCU, Oklahoma, Alabama, Michigan State, etc.), but we should limit those to one every two years. What we need is to get at least one P5 school to play here each year. I can't see how any P5 school would play here with no return game, and the very top schools would probably not play here under any circumstances. But Iowa State, Kentucky, Purdue, and the like might go for a home-and-home. AzWm Once upon a time we had home and home (home and away?) football games with Iowa State and Oklahoma State. I would be nice to start those up again, if possible, as well as games with any of the Big 12 teams. No better way for us to get the Big-12's focused attention on us, than to play them anywhere, anytime...in my opinion. |
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Post by sdcoug on Aug 27, 2015 14:15:26 GMT -8
As Stan's mentioned several times, with the B12 going to a 9-game schedule & with most of the schools looking to schedule "wins" and seeking lower level teams as a results (FCS/bottom tier G5's), the likelihood of finding a B12 school which is not only willing to play us but also has corresponding open dates both home/away is getting MUCH harder.
Plus, if they're going to do a H&H they're more likely to schedule someone nearby.
I'd assume we're exploring the possibilities though. Okie St is a GREAT road trip.
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Post by ab on Aug 27, 2015 14:58:53 GMT -8
Talking football of course. Baylor, not that many years ago use to be the doormat in the Big12, and before that in the Southwest Conference. They have only began to improve their football program in the last few years, and I believe they would make a great opponent for us with a home & home series. They are not too far away in Texas, and we have played them in basketball already. What do you think about getting them on our schedule? They'd kick our arses big time. |
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Post by tonatiuh on Aug 27, 2015 16:12:21 GMT -8
I have read the responses that others have made to my question, and I still ask why not? So what if they have scheduled some cupcakes everyone does including us. Since they have been playing some very good football the past few years they would provide a very good test for us.
Don't agree they they wouldn't schedule us, or that they never would go out of Texas to play a team like ours. Recruiting is always golden in Cal, so it may be to their advantage.
Since they have been doing quite well in football lately how can anyone say they wouldn't have a good amount of fans show up for the game in San Diego?
* And a note to HighnTight. Every college has had problems with players getting arrested, and going overboard, and that includes us. Or, have you forgotten a couple of decades ago when we had a student on the tower shooting , and killing some of our students. So, all I can say is we are in no position to call the kettle black. It is bad, and we are no better than them.
The main thing though that I wish to emphasize is that nothing will happen if we give up. We must continue to keep asking the P5 schools in order to get them scheduled.
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Post by HighNTight on Aug 27, 2015 17:31:15 GMT -8
I have read the responses that others have made to my question, and I still ask why not? So what if they have scheduled some cupcakes everyone does including us. Since they have been playing some very good football the past few years they would provide a very good test for us. Don't agree they they wouldn't schedule us, or that they never would go out of Texas to play a team like ours. Recruiting is always golden in Cal, so it may be to their advantage. Since they have been doing quite well in football lately how can anyone say they wouldn't have a good amount of fans show up for the game in San Diego? * And a note to HighnTight. Every college has had problems with players getting arrested, and going overboard, and that includes us. Or, have you forgotten a couple of decades ago when we had a student on the tower shooting , and killing some of our students. So, all I can say is we are in no position to call the kettle black. It is bad, and we are no better than them.The main thing though that I wish to emphasize is that nothing will happen if we give up. We must continue to keep asking the P5 schools in order to get them scheduled. , there is a difference between a coach recruiting these type of players with known histories to the Baylor Football Program and the type of student you are referring to in that event at SDSU Second, there is a difference between an event 20+ years ago and what Briles has done in the very recent past -- these are not one-off events, there is a pattern here Baylor officials either knew, or should have known, that Ukwuachu had a history of violent incidents at Boise State. The football program knew that even though he was a rising star and a defensive starter for the Broncos, he had been kicked off that team following a 4.5-sack, 7 tackle-for-loss season. And in August 2013, Chad Jackson, a senior associate athletic director at Baylor, was informed by John Cunningham, an associate athletic director at Boise State, that Ukwuachu’s previous school did not support any waivers to get the player back on the field. When Briles’ program brought Ukwuachu to Baylor, they did so amid media reports that the player had a disciplinary history that his previous program took seriously enough to kick him off the team. - www.texasmonthly.com/article/silence-at-baylor/#sthash.HNbbyCPv.dpuf Ahmad Dixon had been arrested for criminal assault while Briles continued to play him during the 2013 season on the basis that he was not actually incarcerated at the time of the games Mike Orakpo was recruited to Baylor in 2012 after being expelled from Colorado State University following an arrest for a “savage beating” that injured four people, two of them seriously, and led to a drug probe when police found evidence of drugs and anabolic steroid at his residence. These are just a few of examples of many where the integrity of the Baylor Football program and that of Art Briles is in question ... I have no such worries about the integrity of the Aztecs Football program under Rocky Long |
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Post by myownwords on Aug 27, 2015 17:36:09 GMT -8
I have read the responses that others have made to my question, and I still ask why not? So what if they have scheduled some cupcakes everyone does including us. Since they have been playing some very good football the past few years they would provide a very good test for us. Don't agree they they wouldn't schedule us, or that they never would go out of Texas to play a team like ours. Recruiting is always golden in Cal, so it may be to their advantage. Since they have been doing quite well in football lately how can anyone say they wouldn't have a good amount of fans show up for the game in San Diego? * And a note to HighnTight. Every college has had problems with players getting arrested, and going overboard, and that includes us. Or, have you forgotten a couple of decades ago when we had a student on the tower shooting , and killing some of our students. So, all I can say is we are in no position to call the kettle black. It is bad, and we are no better than them.The main thing though that I wish to emphasize is that nothing will happen if we give up. We must continue to keep asking the P5 schools in order to get them scheduled. , there is a difference between a coach recruiting these type of players with known histories to the Baylor Football Program and the type of student you are referring to in that event at SDSU Second, there is a difference between an event 20+ years ago and what Briles has done in the very recent past -- these are not one-off events, there is a pattern here Baylor officials either knew, or should have known, that Ukwuachu had a history of violent incidents at Boise State. The football program knew that even though he was a rising star and a defensive starter for the Broncos, he had been kicked off that team following a 4.5-sack, 7 tackle-for-loss season. And in August 2013, Chad Jackson, a senior associate athletic director at Baylor, was informed by John Cunningham, an associate athletic director at Boise State, that Ukwuachu’s previous school did not support any waivers to get the player back on the field. When Briles’ program brought Ukwuachu to Baylor, they did so amid media reports that the player had a disciplinary history that his previous program took seriously enough to kick him off the team. - www.texasmonthly.com/article/silence-at-baylor/#sthash.HNbbyCPv.dpuf Ahmad Dixon had been arrested for criminal assault while Briles continued to play him during the 2013 season on the basis that he was not actually incarcerated at the time of the games Mike Orakpo was recruited to Baylor in 2012 after being expelled from Colorado State University following an arrest for a “savage beating” that injured four people, two of them seriously, and led to a drug probe when police found evidence of drugs and anabolic steroid at his residence. These are just a couple of examples of many where the integrity of the Baylor Football program and that of Art Briles is in question ... I have no such worries about the integrity of the Aztecs Football program under Rocky LongThis I do agree with. I cannot foresee anywhere near this kind of mess with Rocky as HC. It would be eliminated before the cancer metastasized. |
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