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Post by myownwords on Aug 27, 2015 17:31:38 GMT -8
That doesn't change my point at all. News leaks and other leaks of all kinds would have revealed any interest in Rocky Long as HC. He can't even catch a rumor. And you are quite wrong about corrections. I have no problem whatsoever admitting mistakes. If you have a link or some valid authority who "knows" that even one of the programs, higher than the MWC, has actually tried to poach coach Long, then I'll stop referring to it. Fair enough? Until then, I have to assume that my conclusion is correct. But just to be clear, I'm not asking you to do any homework on my behalf. You asked. You do realize that only a fraction of those who get approached for a job actually gets reported, right? The only one's which do are those where the coach actually is interested & interviews for the position; they want to renegotiate & use being approached as a bargaining chip; or they're so insecure they leak it that School X approached them to garner more attention. So you're going to "ass ume" that if Rocky didn't fall into 1 of those categories you're conclusion is correct? Interesting. Assuming something that may never have happened.
It could simply be a) Rocky was happy at his alma mater & really wanted them to succeed, so turned down immediately anyone expressing interest; and b) he's happy at SDSU and, as he's stated often, just loves hanging out in OB & flying under the radar. Personally, I admire that.
You on the other hand like "leakers" and those seeking to move up rather than stay loyal. Understood.
I'm sorry, this is obviously causing you a great deal of discomfort. You are somehow "closer" to our program stumblers, than I imagined. Not sure what you mean about "leakers". I was referring to news which can't be kept secret very long. Rocky was "loyal" to "his" school...until he quit. Broken free of the albatross, still no one came calling. You can chose to believe whatever you like, but to me, the overwhelming evidence points to Rocky's star having dropped to "dwarf" status, sometime in his 3rd or 4th year at New Mexico. And pick whatever year you think has been his best year, still no one knocking on his chamber door. In this day of rampant social media, is there really any chance at all, that an approach by another school would ever be secret for more than a few days? We had people following Hoke's plane for god's sake.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 19:02:17 GMT -8
You do realize that only a fraction of those who get approached for a job actually gets reported, right? The only one's which do are those where the coach actually is interested & interviews for the position; they want to renegotiate & use being approached as a bargaining chip; or they're so insecure they leak it that School X approached them to garner more attention. So you're going to "ass ume" that if Rocky didn't fall into 1 of those categories you're conclusion is correct? Interesting. Assuming something that may never have happened.
It could simply be a) Rocky was happy at his alma mater & really wanted them to succeed, so turned down immediately anyone expressing interest; and b) he's happy at SDSU and, as he's stated often, just loves hanging out in OB & flying under the radar. Personally, I admire that.
You on the other hand like "leakers" and those seeking to move up rather than stay loyal. Understood.
I'm sorry, this is obviously causing you a great deal of discomfort. You are somehow "closer" to our program stumblers, than I imagined. Not sure what you mean about "leakers". I was referring to news which can't be kept secret very long. Rocky was "loyal" to "his" school...until he quit. Broken free of the albatross, still no one came calling. You can chose to believe whatever you like, but to me, the overwhelming evidence points to Rocky's star having dropped to "dwarf" status, sometime in his 3rd or 4th year at New Mexico. And pick whatever year you think has been his best year, still no one knocking on his chamber door. In this day of rampant social media, is there really any chance at all, that an approach by another school would ever be secret for more than a few days? We had people following Hoke's plane for god's sake. Of course, you, of all people, realize all this doesn't really matter... RL is either a good coach or a bad coach or a mediocre coach. It's a matter of opinion. One thing we do know for sure is that RL is the Head Coach of SDSU football! RL, the staff, and the team are about to head into the 2015 season! I bet they are looking forward to it.
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Post by myownwords on Aug 27, 2015 19:33:09 GMT -8
I'm sorry, this is obviously causing you a great deal of discomfort. You are somehow "closer" to our program stumblers, than I imagined. Not sure what you mean about "leakers". I was referring to news which can't be kept secret very long. Rocky was "loyal" to "his" school...until he quit. Broken free of the albatross, still no one came calling. You can chose to believe whatever you like, but to me, the overwhelming evidence points to Rocky's star having dropped to "dwarf" status, sometime in his 3rd or 4th year at New Mexico. And pick whatever year you think has been his best year, still no one knocking on his chamber door. In this day of rampant social media, is there really any chance at all, that an approach by another school would ever be secret for more than a few days? We had people following Hoke's plane for god's sake. Of course, you, of all people, realize all this doesn't really matter... RL is either a good coach or a bad coach or a mediocre coach. It's a matter of opinion. One thing we do know for sure is that RL is the Head Coach of SDSU football! RL, the staff, and the team are about to head into the 2015 season! I bet they are looking forward to it. Of course. Question is, do you expect head-nodding? Or golf-clapping? Or just a sotto voce "yes"?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 21:23:10 GMT -8
Of course, you, of all people, realize all this doesn't really matter... RL is either a good coach or a bad coach or a mediocre coach. It's a matter of opinion. One thing we do know for sure is that RL is the Head Coach of SDSU football! RL, the staff, and the team are about to head into the 2015 season! I bet they are looking forward to it. Of course. Question is, do you expect head-nodding? Or golf-clapping? Or just a sotto voce "yes"? Personally, I prefer the golf-clap but I'll leave it up to others to decide for themselves. You?
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Post by AztecBill on Aug 27, 2015 21:29:41 GMT -8
You need ESPN Insider to read the article but you can click on the +9 to see the teams that this article is about:
MARSHALL THUNDERING HERD BOISE STATE BRONCOS MEMPHIS TIGERS SAN DIEGO STATE AZTECS TOLEDO ROCKETS LOUISIANA TECH BULLDOGS CINCINNATI BEARCATS UCF KNIGHTS TEMPLE OWLS NORTHERN ILLINOIS HUSKIES
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Aug 27, 2015 21:47:40 GMT -8
You need ESPN Insider to read the article but you can click on the +9 to see the teams that this article is about: MARSHALL THUNDERING HERD BOISE STATE BRONCOS MEMPHIS TIGERS SAN DIEGO STATE AZTECS TOLEDO ROCKETS LOUISIANA TECH BULLDOGS CINCINNATI BEARCATS UCF KNIGHTS TEMPLE OWLS NORTHERN ILLINOIS HUSKIES What is the order of rank? 1. Boise State 3. SDSU
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Post by AztecBill on Aug 27, 2015 21:52:48 GMT -8
You need ESPN Insider to read the article but you can click on the +9 to see the teams that this article is about: MARSHALL THUNDERING HERD BOISE STATE BRONCOS MEMPHIS TIGERS SAN DIEGO STATE AZTECS TOLEDO ROCKETS LOUISIANA TECH BULLDOGS CINCINNATI BEARCATS UCF KNIGHTS TEMPLE OWLS NORTHERN ILLINOIS HUSKIES What is the order of rank? 1. Boise State 3. SDSU At the end of the season it will be SDSU and then BSU. We will beat them in the MWC Championship game, if they make it that far. "They" refers to BSU. Consider that the Aztecs had beat BSU twice in a row and lead by the biggest home deficit that BSU has had in a decade before fading. The Aztecs will not roll over for the Broncos in the MWCCG. I bet they are hoping for a team they can beat more consistently, like FSU.
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Post by sdcoug on Aug 28, 2015 8:15:10 GMT -8
I'm sorry, this is obviously causing you a great deal of discomfort. You are somehow "closer" to our program stumblers, than I imagined. Not sure what you mean about "leakers". I was referring to news which can't be kept secret very long. Rocky was "loyal" to "his" school...until he quit. Broken free of the albatross, still no one came calling. You can chose to believe whatever you like, but to me, the overwhelming evidence points to Rocky's star having dropped to "dwarf" status, sometime in his 3rd or 4th year at New Mexico. And pick whatever year you think has been his best year, still no one knocking on his chamber door. In this day of rampant social media, is there really any chance at all, that an approach by another school would ever be secret for more than a few days?We had people following Hoke's plane for god's sake. Discomfort? Ha. The only discomfort is realizing how stubborn you are when it comes to reality, but shouldn't be surprised.
To answer your question bolded above, YES, it happens all the time, even in THIS day & age (& the NM days were way before that). I know for a fact it does, from both sides of the equation (coaches & AD's). And again, it happens when the coach isn't interested & doesn't go through the interview process, and yes, both sides keep the inquiry quiet. An AD friend of mine put out feelers a few years ago when he was thinking about replacing his (current) basketball coach, but when he found out the guys he was interested in weren't interested he held off. None of those contacts went public. The next year when he did make a change only about half of those he contacted went public, while some names surfaced via speculation that he actually never contacted. On the flipside, a friend who was a P12 HC was approached by 2 schools about their openings & had zero interest. His name never made it to the press. What you read in the press is far from what really goes on, especially when coaches aren't interested in the position.
In case you haven't figured it out, Hoke was interested in the UM job, actually interviewed & didn't want or need to keep it quiet.
But it doesn't matter. You'll ignore reality and keep making things up without knowing any real facts.
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Post by AzTex on Aug 28, 2015 8:30:04 GMT -8
I'm sorry, this is obviously causing you a great deal of discomfort. You are somehow "closer" to our program stumblers, than I imagined. Not sure what you mean about "leakers". I was referring to news which can't be kept secret very long. Rocky was "loyal" to "his" school...until he quit. Broken free of the albatross, still no one came calling. You can chose to believe whatever you like, but to me, the overwhelming evidence points to Rocky's star having dropped to "dwarf" status, sometime in his 3rd or 4th year at New Mexico. And pick whatever year you think has been his best year, still no one knocking on his chamber door. In this day of rampant social media, is there really any chance at all, that an approach by another school would ever be secret for more than a few days?We had people following Hoke's plane for god's sake. Discomfort? Ha. The only discomfort is realizing how stubborn you are when it comes to reality, but shouldn't be surprised.
To answer your question bolded above, YES, it happens all the time, even in THIS day & age (& the NM days were way before that). I know for a fact it does, from both sides of the equation (coaches & AD's). And again, it happens when the coach isn't interested & doesn't go through the interview process, and yes, both sides keep the inquiry quiet. An AD friend of mine put out feelers a few years ago when he was thinking about replacing his (current) basketball coach, but when he found out the guys he was interested in weren't interested he held off. None of those contacts went public. The next year when he did make a change only about half of those he contacted went public, while some names surfaced via speculation that he actually never contacted. On the flipside, a friend who was a P12 HC was approached by 2 schools about their openings & had zero interest. His name never made it to the press. What you read in the press is far from what really goes on, especially when coaches aren't interested in the position.
In case you haven't figured it out, Hoke was interested in the UM job, actually interviewed & didn't want or need to keep it quiet.
But it doesn't matter. You'll ignore reality and keep making things up without knowing any real facts.
In most cases both the school has a great interest in not letting their interest in a particular coach get out. If that coach turns them down, they don't want their next target to think he's 2nd, or 3rd choice. I don't think Hoke was helped by it being public knowledge that he was 3rd or 4th choice at Michigan. As an aside, and you can apply it to your life where ever you think is appropriate, there is an old saying that you might want to consider. "Don't try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it only annoys the pig."
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Post by sdcoug on Aug 28, 2015 8:33:07 GMT -8
Discomfort? Ha. The only discomfort is realizing how stubborn you are when it comes to reality, but shouldn't be surprised.
To answer your question bolded above, YES, it happens all the time, even in THIS day & age (& the NM days were way before that). I know for a fact it does, from both sides of the equation (coaches & AD's). And again, it happens when the coach isn't interested & doesn't go through the interview process, and yes, both sides keep the inquiry quiet. An AD friend of mine put out feelers a few years ago when he was thinking about replacing his (current) basketball coach, but when he found out the guys he was interested in weren't interested he held off. None of those contacts went public. The next year when he did make a change only about half of those he contacted went public, while some names surfaced via speculation that he actually never contacted. On the flipside, a friend who was a P12 HC was approached by 2 schools about their openings & had zero interest. His name never made it to the press. What you read in the press is far from what really goes on, especially when coaches aren't interested in the position.
In case you haven't figured it out, Hoke was interested in the UM job, actually interviewed & didn't want or need to keep it quiet.
But it doesn't matter. You'll ignore reality and keep making things up without knowing any real facts.
In most cases both the school has a great interest in not letting their interest in a particular coach get out. If that coach turns them down, they don't want their next target to think he's 2nd, or 3rd choice. I don't think Hoke was helped by it being public knowledge that he was 3rd or 4th choice at Michigan. As an aside, and you can apply it to your life where ever you think is appropriate, there is an old saying that you might want to consider. "Don't try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it only annoys the pig."Love it, and great advice. Yea, hoping my "ignore finger" gets used more & more moving forward, but still hard for me to avoid looking at car wrecks.
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Post by myownwords on Aug 28, 2015 8:38:49 GMT -8
I'm sorry, this is obviously causing you a great deal of discomfort. You are somehow "closer" to our program stumblers, than I imagined. Not sure what you mean about "leakers". I was referring to news which can't be kept secret very long. Rocky was "loyal" to "his" school...until he quit. Broken free of the albatross, still no one came calling. You can chose to believe whatever you like, but to me, the overwhelming evidence points to Rocky's star having dropped to "dwarf" status, sometime in his 3rd or 4th year at New Mexico. And pick whatever year you think has been his best year, still no one knocking on his chamber door. In this day of rampant social media, is there really any chance at all, that an approach by another school would ever be secret for more than a few days?We had people following Hoke's plane for god's sake. Discomfort? Ha. The only discomfort is realizing how stubborn you are when it comes to reality, but shouldn't be surprised.
To answer your question bolded above, YES, it happens all the time, even in THIS day & age (& the NM days were way before that). I know for a fact it does, from both sides of the equation (coaches & AD's). And again, it happens when the coach isn't interested & doesn't go through the interview process, and yes, both sides keep the inquiry quiet. An AD friend of mine put out feelers a few years ago when he was thinking about replacing his (current) basketball coach, but when he found out the guys he was interested in weren't interested he held off. None of those contacts went public. The next year when he did make a change only about half of those he contacted went public, while some names surfaced via speculation that he actually never contacted. On the flipside, a friend who was a P12 HC was approached by 2 schools about their openings & had zero interest. His name never made it to the press. What you read in the press is far from what really goes on, especially when coaches aren't interested in the position.
In case you haven't figured it out, Hoke was interested in the UM job, actually interviewed & didn't want or need to keep it quiet.
But it doesn't matter. You'll ignore reality and keep making things up without knowing any real facts.
I don't know where to start. My questions or musings were rhetorical. I see you attempted to assert that you have "insider knowledge", but I'm afraid your beliefs do not constitute "facts", and quite frankly I don't have any confidence in your assertions. Sorry. Nothing you've said changes any "realities" as you have in no way changed my points or comments. Regarding Hoke, yes everyone knows that. What does that have to do with "secrets"? So concluding, you have NO PROOF that anyone has EVER sought Rocky, yet you insist there must have been secret attempts---that remain secret to this day---yet, that very absence is to me, corroboration that he has had no suitors. We disagree. But you insist that I should "give up", in response to your self-described "realities". Your "facts" don't constitute reality, no matter how many times you utter proclamations.
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Post by myownwords on Aug 28, 2015 8:43:02 GMT -8
Discomfort? Ha. The only discomfort is realizing how stubborn you are when it comes to reality, but shouldn't be surprised.
To answer your question bolded above, YES, it happens all the time, even in THIS day & age (& the NM days were way before that). I know for a fact it does, from both sides of the equation (coaches & AD's). And again, it happens when the coach isn't interested & doesn't go through the interview process, and yes, both sides keep the inquiry quiet. An AD friend of mine put out feelers a few years ago when he was thinking about replacing his (current) basketball coach, but when he found out the guys he was interested in weren't interested he held off. None of those contacts went public. The next year when he did make a change only about half of those he contacted went public, while some names surfaced via speculation that he actually never contacted. On the flipside, a friend who was a P12 HC was approached by 2 schools about their openings & had zero interest. His name never made it to the press. What you read in the press is far from what really goes on, especially when coaches aren't interested in the position.
In case you haven't figured it out, Hoke was interested in the UM job, actually interviewed & didn't want or need to keep it quiet.
But it doesn't matter. You'll ignore reality and keep making things up without knowing any real facts.
In most cases both the school has a great interest in not letting their interest in a particular coach get out. If that coach turns them down, they don't want their next target to think he's 2nd, or 3rd choice. I don't think Hoke was helped by it being public knowledge that he was 3rd or 4th choice at Michigan. As an aside, and you can apply it to your life where ever you think is appropriate, there is an old saying that you might want to consider. "Don't try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it only annoys the pig." The schools' desire to keep anything secret is irrelevant, yes? Reporters and bloggers have a completely different agenda. You must have heard of Watergate? No? How about Ashley Madison? Both of you are trying too hard to NOT see the obvious.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 8:46:58 GMT -8
In most cases both the school has a great interest in not letting their interest in a particular coach get out. If that coach turns them down, they don't want their next target to think he's 2nd, or 3rd choice. I don't think Hoke was helped by it being public knowledge that he was 3rd or 4th choice at Michigan. As an aside, and you can apply it to your life where ever you think is appropriate, there is an old saying that you might want to consider. "Don't try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it only annoys the pig." The schools' desire to keep anything secret is irrelevant, yes? Reporters and bloggers have a completely different agenda. You must have heard of Watergate? No? How about Ashley Madison? Both of you are trying too hard to NOT see the obvious. Wow, you think a single event like watergate or a website for cheaters having its subscribers revealed is the same as a day in day out reporting job like reporting on a particular team? You don't think managing and building relationships longterm so you can get good info is important to those who will spend significant time on the same beat? I used to think you were an entertaining troll, but Jimmy has it right, the correct term would be droll.
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Post by myownwords on Aug 28, 2015 8:51:19 GMT -8
The schools' desire to keep anything secret is irrelevant, yes? Reporters and bloggers have a completely different agenda. You must have heard of Watergate? No? How about Ashley Madison? Both of you are trying too hard to NOT see the obvious. Wow, you think a single event like watergate or a website for cheaters having its subscribers revealed is the same as a day in day out reporting job like reporting on a particular team? You don't think managing and building relationships longterm so you can get good info is important to those who will spend significant time on the same beat? I used to think you were an entertaining troll, but Jimmy has it right, the correct term would be droll. You took a left turn somewhere. Did you intentionally swerve to miss the point?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 8:55:09 GMT -8
Wow, you think a single event like watergate or a website for cheaters having its subscribers revealed is the same as a day in day out reporting job like reporting on a particular team? You don't think managing and building relationships longterm so you can get good info is important to those who will spend significant time on the same beat? I used to think you were an entertaining troll, but Jimmy has it right, the correct term would be droll. You took a left turn somewhere. Did you intentionally swerve to miss the point? Nope, just a former athlete who is well aware of the difference between what is known and what is reported.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 8:59:34 GMT -8
What is the order of rank? 1. Boise State 3. SDSU At the end of the season it will be SDSU and then BSU. We will beat them in the MWC Championship game, if they make it that far. "They" refers to BSU. Consider that the Aztecs had beat BSU twice in a row and lead by the biggest home deficit that BSU has had in a decade before fading. The Aztecs will not roll over for the Broncos in the MWCCG. I bet they are hoping for a team they can beat more consistently, like FSU. I think that is very true. Donk fans want to play anyone but us in that MWCCG.
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Post by myownwords on Aug 28, 2015 9:07:38 GMT -8
You took a left turn somewhere. Did you intentionally swerve to miss the point? Nope, just a former athlete who is well aware of the difference between what is known and what is reported. Same here. So what? You've danced around my point: There evidently are no reports of Rocky ever being a poached coach. I mean, other than dreamland and Secret Society tales.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 9:10:27 GMT -8
Nope, just a former athlete who is well aware of the difference between what is known and what is reported. Same here. So what? You've danced around my point: There evidently are no reports of Rocky ever being a poached coach. I mean, other than dreamland and Secret Society tales. Nice, where did you play and what sport? I'm not missing your point, but obviously you are missing mine, and that's ok. You value your own opinion over all others, even if others have more direct experience than yourself
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Post by sdcoug on Aug 28, 2015 9:15:45 GMT -8
Discomfort? Ha. The only discomfort is realizing how stubborn you are when it comes to reality, but shouldn't be surprised.
To answer your question bolded above, YES, it happens all the time, even in THIS day & age (& the NM days were way before that). I know for a fact it does, from both sides of the equation (coaches & AD's). And again, it happens when the coach isn't interested & doesn't go through the interview process, and yes, both sides keep the inquiry quiet. An AD friend of mine put out feelers a few years ago when he was thinking about replacing his (current) basketball coach, but when he found out the guys he was interested in weren't interested he held off. None of those contacts went public. The next year when he did make a change only about half of those he contacted went public, while some names surfaced via speculation that he actually never contacted. On the flipside, a friend who was a P12 HC was approached by 2 schools about their openings & had zero interest. His name never made it to the press. What you read in the press is far from what really goes on, especially when coaches aren't interested in the position.
In case you haven't figured it out, Hoke was interested in the UM job, actually interviewed & didn't want or need to keep it quiet.
But it doesn't matter. You'll ignore reality and keep making things up without knowing any real facts.
I don't know where to start. My questions or musings were rhetorical. I see you attempted to assert that you have "insider knowledge", but I'm afraid your beliefs do not constitute "facts", and quite frankly I don't have any confidence in your assertions. Sorry. Nothing you've said changes any "realities" as you have in no way changed my points or comments. Regarding Hoke, yes everyone knows that. What does that have to do with "secrets"? So concluding, you have NO PROOF that anyone has EVER sought Rocky, yet you insist there must have been secret attempts---that remain secret to this day---yet, that very absence is to me, corroboration that he has had no suitors. We disagree. But you insist that I should "give up", in response to your self-described "realities". Your "facts" don't constitute reality, no matter how many times you utter proclamations. Predictable response, as usual. Just sharing experiences & actual first hand knowledge, as others have done as well within this thread, which you refuse to believe. That's your right, and not surprised at all. It's who you are.
Yes, only RL & those he confides in actually know if he has or hasn't been approached, which is the point. Some jump to conclusions, even without any information (that would be you in case you missed it); others don't.
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Post by myownwords on Aug 28, 2015 9:16:49 GMT -8
Same here. So what? You've danced around my point: There evidently are no reports of Rocky ever being a poached coach. I mean, other than dreamland and Secret Society tales. Nice, where did you play and what sport? I'm not missing your point, but obviously you are missing mine, and that's ok. You value your own opinion over all others, even if others have more direct experience than yourself Yes I guess I did miss your point. My opinion about Rocky can't be changed by your assertions, or implications that he was pursued through secret alliances and outreach. Until there are valid reports otherwise, he remains the Never Been Poached Coach. If he all of a sudden becomes Petersen-esque, or a trim twin of Patterson, then THAT will change my opinion.
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