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Post by fisherville on Aug 26, 2015 9:10:13 GMT -8
I don't think anyone does a better job on west coast than Josh Gershon Here are SDSU targets (I use that term loosely) 6rankings
16. Jarrett Allen () 22. TJ Leaf- Seems a bit low for me 43. Brendan Bailey 61. MJ Cage 64. Vance Jackson 70. Trevor Stanback 73. Jonah Mathews 85. Jalen McDaniels
Melton didn't make it
I think the realistic best case class is Bailey (for 2018), Montaque- Gill Caesar, Cage, Mathews, and McDaniels. Bailey seems set on 2018, I don't think we have shot at Allen, Leaf, Vance, or Stanback (and I'd prefer Cage and McDaniels to him regardless).
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Post by rs1899 on Aug 26, 2015 9:37:20 GMT -8
Mcdaniels Twitter is pretty active with SDSU stuff. Also, I think he added the show and a few other Aztecs recently on his account. Him and Cage would be nice for us. Also, Cage out of the new ESPN top 100.
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Post by standiego on Aug 26, 2015 9:37:13 GMT -8
ESPN has Leaf 13 , J.Allen 19 , Bailey 98 , Vance Jackson 51 , J. Mathews 72, did not have Cage in top 100 has him 26 best PF, Rivals has him 55
forgot to check on Stanback , and McDaniels
As we all know after the top 12 it is a scramble trying to guess on the talent - that is why they have July evaluation month for the coaches
plus Aztec coaches do not bother with ratings and go by how they view talent fitting into Aztec system ( need to know how to play some D ) and high ceiling for talent development
Lets see who besides transfer MG-C(last weekend) , Mathews(and of this week) , and Melton( mid September) can come for a visit . then more importantly sign during NLI week 11/11 - 11/18 less then 3 months away
Need additional guys at PF/C then a SF or SG
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Post by sdcoug on Aug 26, 2015 10:04:18 GMT -8
16. Jarrett Allen (ESPN = 19 ranking) 22. TJ Leaf (13) 43. Brendan Bailey (98) 61. MJ Cage (NR, 4-star, #26 PF, grade 80) 64. Vance Jackson (51) 70. Trevor Stanback (NR, 3-star, #51 PF, 77) 73. Jonah Mathews (72) 85. Jalen McDaniels (NR, 3-star, #54 PF, 75) NA. Melton (NR, 4-star, #27 SG, 80)
Combined the 2. I'm not surprised by Cage falling - seemed WAY too overhyped and hasn't appeared to mature his game much over the past year. Bailey may have fallen simply because he's now really a '18 guy, and ESPN definitely factors in demand/availability.
Would like to see us get MGC, Leaf, Mathews and/or Melton & any of the 3 from Cage, Stanback & McDaniels. If Leaf goes blue blood, then a 2nd from those 3. I really don't think gap between Cage & the other 2 is that great, and the latter 2 may actually have more long-term upside.
Bailey would be nice simply due to the fact we don't use a scholarship - it's just a layaway plan. But not overly concerned on that one, as a lot can change in 2 years (including us getting higher level recruits or transfers).
The reality is we may end up getting only 2 of these guys, another unranked guy appears out of nowhere, and we hold a scholarship or two for transfers.
Time will tell, but don't think we've ever been positioned better when it comes to recruiting. We have had excellent results, are a perennial March Madness team who not only makes it but wins, just opened new facilities & have stability on our coaching staff. Plus, a lot of local talent coming down the pike in the next few years.
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Aug 26, 2015 10:07:46 GMT -8
According to ESPN, Narain is the 26th best PF of the 2016 class and MJ Cage is also the 26th best PF of the 2016 class...
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Post by sdcoug on Aug 26, 2015 10:11:20 GMT -8
According to ESPN, Narain is the 26th best PF of the 2016 class and MJ Cage is also the 26th best PF of the 2016 class... Since Narain reclassified I don't think they go back & change much, but they definitely remove him from the rankings (overall & by position). Guess what it tells us is they're very comparable players, although very different skillsets.
Personally, I never get hung up on position rankings since many change positions at the collegiate level. Many SG's become PG's, and even vice versa. Cage is a "post" IMO, not a "PF", while I could see Narain playing both the "4" and "5", if you have to go with traditionally labels.
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Post by fisherville on Aug 26, 2015 10:18:42 GMT -8
except for the part where cage is about exactly where he was last time they updated the rankings.
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Post by sdcoug on Aug 26, 2015 10:47:01 GMT -8
except for the part where cage is about exactly where he was last time they updated the rankings. But SIGNIFICANTLY lower than he was prior to his junior year. As of September, 2014 after the summer circuit he was 41 on Scout, 37 on Rivals & 36 on ESPN, and that scout ranking had fallen 17 points from the prior rating & Rivals had fallen 15.
Cage was overhyped as a FR/SO, and others are catching up to and/or passing him with more upside IMO. Still a good recruit who could definitely help us, but if it's 1 of the others the drop-off wouldn't be drastic by any means, and they could prove to be better in the long run. Stanback has also dropped in the rankings over the past year but was never as highly rated. I don't recall McDaniels being on too many people's radar a year ago, so he could very well be a late bloomer who has great upside down the road.
Most importantly to me though is the eye test, and each time I saw Cage play I wasn't overly impressed. Everyone has different perceptions & opinions, but after seeing him play this past season I'm not surprised he's not among the top 50 any more.
Narain also shot up the rankings over the past year.
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Post by fisherville on Aug 26, 2015 11:01:42 GMT -8
Cage is a good prospect, he's not a NBA level prospect without big improvements like people thought when he was a freshman/sophomore but he's still a high major guy that will make a big impact at the college level. ESPN has always done a awful job with west coast rankings so I have never taken them seriously, and this isn't just because Cage is unranked. Scout/Rivals do the best job, scout the best because of gershon.
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Post by aztec619 on Aug 26, 2015 12:15:53 GMT -8
24/7 has a 75% commit to Wash for McDaniels
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Post by fisherville on Aug 26, 2015 12:39:00 GMT -8
yeah they are just assuming cause mcdaniels is from the area. I like our chances. He hasn't even scheduled an official visit to Washington yet.
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Post by standiego on Aug 26, 2015 13:49:05 GMT -8
Little doubt Huskies start out as the favorite for their local McDaniels . One of the major reasons the JAM Center was built was to assist the Aztec coaches in recruiting . Can it work this time we will see . But also remember if McDaniels wants to go to other out of state visits , it would be very easy for him to do an 'unofficial ' visit to closer Huskies campus .
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Post by fisherville on Aug 26, 2015 14:41:31 GMT -8
Little doubt Huskies start out as the favorite for their local McDaniels . One of the major reasons the JAM Center was built was to assist the Aztec coaches in recruiting . Can it work this time we will see . But also remember if McDaniels wants to go to other out of state visits , it would be very easy for him to do an 'unofficial ' visit to closer Huskies campus . He's scheduled 1 visit, to SDSU. It's pretty clear who leads at this point. SDSU.
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Post by sdcoug on Aug 26, 2015 15:23:16 GMT -8
Cage is a good prospect, he's not a NBA level prospect without big improvements like people thought when he was a freshman/sophomore but he's still a high major guy that will make a big impact at the college level. ESPN has always done a awful job with west coast rankings so I have never taken them seriously, and this isn't just because Cage is unranked. Scout/Rivals do the best job, scout the best because of gershon. Agree with you on that! He does a very good job. But I wouldn't just dismiss the fact all of them have dropped him significantly over the past year. There's a reason for that. I big issue in any sport these days is the early maturity factor. Even these little league kids are those who are right at the age limit, hit puberty, have mustaches, etc., and thus matured significantly earlier than most other kids. This leads to higher level coaching early on, all-star camps, etc. However, a significant amount get passed over by other kids & don't even play HS baseball.
Same applies to basketball. Often some kids will develop early, get all the attention & special camps, but then peak early as well.
Not saying that's the case with Cage. We're in agreement that Cage is a good recruit and can help most programs in the country (he's not blueblood quality IMO). Based on what I've seen, the few times I have actually watched his games, he isn't special. Others with raw talent have & could easily pass him during this next season. Hence why it wouldn't bother me that much if we miss on him but land McDaniels, etc. We have no idea who will be better in 2-3 years?
I really hope Cage blows up this year, takes his game to another level & disproves my concerns about him, and that he signs with SDSU. I hope he signs even if he doesn't blow up because he's a good talent.
Lastly, I put very little faith in exact rankings. Ratings more so than rankings, and even then there's definitely room for debate. So the fact someone dropped from being ranked around 30th to 50th or 50th to 70th - who cares? It's a guessing game when it comes to the next level. The coaches rarely know how a player will develop, as pointed out in that article the other day. To me, you double the ranking & that's your typical margin for error. A kid ranked #10 is very likely to be among the top 20 in the country. Very solid. Top 20, likely top 40, etc. If a kid like Cage was ranked #35 then he's probably among the top 70 at THAT time. Now lower, with the big drop, it brings a lot more kids into his range, including Stanback & McDaniels.
It's a crapshoot for the most part, unless you're talking ELITE. Even then.....
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Post by sdcoug on Aug 26, 2015 15:31:46 GMT -8
Little doubt Huskies start out as the favorite for their local McDaniels . One of the major reasons the JAM Center was built was to assist the Aztec coaches in recruiting . Can it work this time we will see . But also remember if McDaniels wants to go to other out of state visits , it would be very easy for him to do an 'unofficial ' visit to closer Huskies campus . He's scheduled 1 visit, to SDSU. It's pretty clear who leads at this point. SDSU. Agree 100%. UW returns 10 guys (in theory), just signed a 5-star PG for '16 and have Timmons as a commit. So, again in theory, just 1 open spot left in '16. Even if another opens up, he'd still have a strong cast of guys in front of him, and for a couple years. Not sure how strongly they're going after McDaniels, and not sure how he views his opportunities there?
Plus, if UW struggles badly Romar's leash may not be all that long, which would open the door even further.
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Post by Gundo on Aug 26, 2015 23:36:17 GMT -8
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Post by jpaztec on Aug 27, 2015 6:15:10 GMT -8
75% UDUB
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Post by ignoranus on Aug 27, 2015 6:21:15 GMT -8
I say 75% undecided. And I don't KNOW anything.
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Post by standiego on Aug 27, 2015 7:25:47 GMT -8
ESPN 2017 ratings Ayton # 1 , McCoy #17 , Hands #31
Washington just added another Verbal for 2017 guard D. Davis to go with guard for 2016 Fultz.
We are just ending the quiet period, with the full recruiting 2 months starting in September through Nov 8 . So would hold off on any % 's until the recruits do their visits and actually see what the athletic and academic life is really all about (especially if a parent is also joining the recruit for the visit)
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Post by sdcoug on Aug 27, 2015 9:22:42 GMT -8
ESPN 2017 ratings Ayton # 1 , McCoy #17 , Hands #31 Washington just added another Verbal for 2017 guard D. Davis to go with guard for 2016 Fultz. We are just ending the quiet period, with the full recruiting 2 months starting in September through Nov 8 . So would hold off on any % 's until the recruits do their visits and actually see what the athletic and academic life is really all about (especially if a parent is also joining the recruit for the visit) Agree. These "%'s" are just random guesses. A lot can happen in the next couple months.
UW is stacked in the next couple years. He could end up going there to be part of the hometown team with his friends, while potentially not playing much, or he could choose to get away from the parents with a greater chance of playing. Everyone's wired differently.
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