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Post by myownwords on Aug 25, 2015 15:48:42 GMT -8
To whatever extent he has leverage, he has used none. He needs to be privately and publically promoting a new venue for the Aztecs---no matter whether it's with the Chargers or alone. There is a lot he could do. It's going to take enormous investments, especially from the public. Whatever options are eventually thrown down, he needs political and public momentum. Right now, we have NO momentum, especially not from playing field. If he doesn't ask for support, guess what, he won't get it during "crunch" time(sorry for the overused slang). Perhaps you should write Sterk a detailed letter/email outlining all your brilliant insight and advice on this topic and post it on AztecMesa for all to see. Why? It's already here for you "brilliant" readers.
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Post by aardvark on Aug 25, 2015 16:16:35 GMT -8
It probably would have cost even more to get a replacement for Hoke at the time that wasn't named Rocky Long. It's already pretty much a balancing act financially with the Athletic Dept budget, and it would have been even worse financially for the program going after someone new at that time. SDSU just doesn't have the resources to make that big money hire. But as some have said on this board, I would think that this is year the football program either sh*ts or gets off the pot. It's all about priorities. We can raise (almost)$15 million for a basketball practice facility, but not improve salaries?. Ron Fowler ponied up $5 million to increase our competiveness in the football program, but evidently Mr. Sterk has not been able to work his "magic" for more similar donations. Or, is this too in the "Secret Society" cloisters? This, on top of many here assuming that a $200 million dollar on-campus stadium is a foregone conclusion. If we don't dramatically improve the on-field accomplishments of the football program, there won't be any stadium. Wasn't Fowler's $5 million contingent on that amount being matched by supporters?
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Post by myownwords on Aug 25, 2015 16:19:25 GMT -8
It's all about priorities. We can raise (almost)$15 million for a basketball practice facility, but not improve salaries?. Ron Fowler ponied up $5 million to increase our competiveness in the football program, but evidently Mr. Sterk has not been able to work his "magic" for more similar donations. Or, is this too in the "Secret Society" cloisters? This, on top of many here assuming that a $200 million dollar on-campus stadium is a foregone conclusion. If we don't dramatically improve the on-field accomplishments of the football program, there won't be any stadium. Wasn't Fowler's $5 million contingent on that amount being matched by supporters? Yes, and I've never heard what became of that.
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Post by aardvark on Aug 25, 2015 16:26:09 GMT -8
Wasn't Fowler's $5 million contingent on that amount being matched by supporters? Yes, and I've never heard what became of that. I'm not sure, but I thought it was matched eventually. But you couldn't go out and spend it right away, since I don't think we had it at the time Hoke left. If that was indeed the case, why would we spend millions on a big money hire when you didn't yet have the big money to spend? I'm sure others more knowledgeable on this subject will soon chime in.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 16:26:04 GMT -8
All you are saying MOW is we coulda/shoulda went after someone UNPROVEN instread of the guy who's averaged 8 wins over his first 4 seasons. It may not be a wise opinion, but at least it's bold.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 16:28:28 GMT -8
Yes, and I've never heard what became of that. I'm not sure, but I thought it was matched eventually. But you couldn't go out and spend it right away, since I don't think we had it at the time Hoke left. If that was indeed the case, why would we spend millions on a big money hire when you didn't yet have the big money to spend? I'm sure others more knowledgeable on this subject will soon chime in. I thought that offer was meant to keep Hoke, not find his replacement, but I'm probably wrong.
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Post by myownwords on Aug 25, 2015 16:34:51 GMT -8
I'm not sure, but I thought it was matched eventually. But you couldn't go out and spend it right away, since I don't think we had it at the time Hoke left. If that was indeed the case, why would we spend millions on a big money hire when you didn't yet have the big money to spend? I'm sure others more knowledgeable on this subject will soon chime in. I thought that offer was meant to keep Hoke, not find his replacement, but I'm probably wrong. No, I think you're right. But I don't know what became of it, or if Fowler left it, on condition that the school matched it. Either way, raising funds for the football program's salaries has never been much of a priority, but this administration, or the prior one for that matter. I expected Fowler's gift to start the money spigots, but it didn't turn out that way, and MY conclusion--right or wrong--is because of the Rocky Bomb. The poor man just carries baggage, and no buzz.
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Post by aztecfred on Aug 25, 2015 16:42:02 GMT -8
Sir, I am whatever you want me to be. Second question about Rocky: At the time, fresh on the heels of Hoke's Holiday Bowl win over Navy, I thought we were finally headed to national relevance. So much attention poured over us, because of the Hoke turnaround, and Michigan gambit. We were in the news frequently. I think that we could have made a fantastic hire. Nobody was chasing Rocky, so we should have hired him as interim coach, then commenced a search. We could have made major strides in coaching, recruiting (the next year), and reaching the Top 20. Before Hoke left, we'd already risen to 26 or 27. We've never been close to that since. The disappointment with Rocky's hiring, was followed the next year with a bad bowl loss and departure from the Big East. We were officially going backwards. Read more: aztecmesa.proboards.com/thread/46644/county-bowls-stadium-chargers-leave?page=2#ixzz3jsS65ehv AGREE!!!!!!
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Post by aztecfred on Aug 25, 2015 16:44:26 GMT -8
I see your point but it seems to be devoid of one harsh and limiting reality...Athletic Budgets. If we wanted a proven coach at that point we weren't going to be able to afford him. So we would've still had to take a chance on an "unproven" from lower ranks of CFB or a coordinator looking to try their hand as HC. So ultimately your complaint is that we didn't take the risk you wanted...a question of the devil you know versus the one you don't?!? I'll give you this, you sure think highly of your own opinion. Read more: aztecmesa.proboards.com/thread/46644/county-bowls-stadium-chargers-leave?page=3#ixzz3jsSVwESy IF we couldn't afford a real coach, how are we going to pay for a new stadium?
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Post by hoobs on Aug 25, 2015 16:46:31 GMT -8
You're getting off topic and your last point has nothing to do with your first one. You wouldn't be trolling now would you?!?! You seem to have really "thought" about your take on this issue. If you were AD back in late 2010 who would you have chosen to replace Hoke, I am genuinely curious since this seems to be one of your biggest complaints. Sir, I am whatever you want me to be. Second question about Rocky: At the time, fresh on the heels of Hoke's Holiday Bowl win over Navy, I thought we were finally headed to national relevance. So much attention poured over us, because of the Hoke turnaround, and Michigan gambit. We were in the news frequently. I think that we could have made a fantastic hire. Nobody was chasing Rocky, so we should have hired him as interim coach, then commenced a search. We could have made major strides in coaching, recruiting (the next year), and reaching the Top 20. Before Hoke left, we'd already risen to 26 or 27. We've never been close to that since. The disappointment with Rocky's hiring, was followed the next year with a bad bowl loss and departure from the Big East. We were officially going backwards. Can't help but notice you're asking a lot of questions without bothering to answer the one I directly asked you...
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Post by hoobs on Aug 25, 2015 16:47:38 GMT -8
Wasn't Fowler's $5 million contingent on that amount being matched by supporters? Yes, and I've never heard what became of that. I believe it was matched 100%. Listen to Sterk's latest interview (discussed here).
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Post by HighNTight on Aug 25, 2015 16:47:55 GMT -8
For those of you that keep forgetting ... SDSU Athletics Launches Rise to 25 CampaignDec. 23, 2014"To date, the football program already has accomplished several milestones on and off the field. A generous $5 million challenge gift from Ron and Alexis Fowler in 2011 resulted in $5 million in matching gifts for athletic improvements, including:• Football practice field grass renovation • Turf field replacement • New film towers for football practice field • New lights for football practice field • Renovated football locker room in Fowler Athletics Center • Renovated football locker room at Qualcomm Stadium • Compensation for coaching staff • Added athletic medicine staff • Added rehabilitation equipment to the athletic medicine area • New computers for football staff • Renovated Fowler Athletics Center football suite and meeting rooms • Improved stadium branding • Upgraded video system for coach and student-athlete viewing • Increased department staffing In the coming months, SDSU will unveil additional program information and details."
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Post by myownwords on Aug 25, 2015 16:50:20 GMT -8
Yes, and I've never heard what became of that. I believe it was matched 100%. Listen to Sterk's latest interview (discussed here). Excellent
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Post by myownwords on Aug 25, 2015 16:54:45 GMT -8
For those of you that keep forgetting ... SDSU Athletics Launches Rise to 25 CampaignDec. 23, 2014"To date, the football program already has accomplished several milestones on and off the field. A generous $5 million challenge gift from Ron and Alexis Fowler in 2011 resulted in $5 million in matching gifts for athletic improvements, including:• Football practice field grass renovation • Turf field replacement • New film towers for football practice field • New lights for football practice field • Renovated football locker room in Fowler Athletics Center • Renovated football locker room at Qualcomm Stadium • Compensation for coaching staff • Added athletic medicine staff • Added rehabilitation equipment to the athletic medicine area • New computers for football staff • Renovated Fowler Athletics Center football suite and meeting rooms • Improved stadium branding • Upgraded video system for coach and student-athlete viewing • Increased department staffing In the coming months, SDSU will unveil additional program information and details." Indeed that's been published. So since 2011, when Fowler gave us $5 million, we've only managed to raise another $5 million? Seems we can raise almost 3/4 of a billion dollars for everything BUT football, yes? Disheartening for sure.
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Post by myownwords on Aug 25, 2015 16:57:09 GMT -8
Sir, I am whatever you want me to be. Second question about Rocky: At the time, fresh on the heels of Hoke's Holiday Bowl win over Navy, I thought we were finally headed to national relevance. So much attention poured over us, because of the Hoke turnaround, and Michigan gambit. We were in the news frequently. I think that we could have made a fantastic hire. Nobody was chasing Rocky, so we should have hired him as interim coach, then commenced a search. We could have made major strides in coaching, recruiting (the next year), and reaching the Top 20. Before Hoke left, we'd already risen to 26 or 27. We've never been close to that since. The disappointment with Rocky's hiring, was followed the next year with a bad bowl loss and departure from the Big East. We were officially going backwards. Can't help but notice you're asking a lot of questions without bothering to answer the one I directly asked you... Asked and answered, I believe, in various posts. Or, are you requesting a special composite epistle, just for you?
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Post by HighNTight on Aug 25, 2015 17:12:02 GMT -8
For those of you that keep forgetting ... SDSU Athletics Launches Rise to 25 CampaignDec. 23, 2014"To date, the football program already has accomplished several milestones on and off the field. A generous $5 million challenge gift from Ron and Alexis Fowler in 2011 resulted in $5 million in matching gifts for athletic improvements, including:• Football practice field grass renovation • Turf field replacement • New film towers for football practice field • New lights for football practice field • Renovated football locker room in Fowler Athletics Center • Renovated football locker room at Qualcomm Stadium • Compensation for coaching staff • Added athletic medicine staff • Added rehabilitation equipment to the athletic medicine area • New computers for football staff • Renovated Fowler Athletics Center football suite and meeting rooms • Improved stadium branding • Upgraded video system for coach and student-athlete viewing • Increased department staffing In the coming months, SDSU will unveil additional program information and details." Indeed that's been published. So since 2011, when Fowler gave us $5 million, we've only managed to raise another $5 million? Seems we can raise almost 3/4 of a billion dollars for everything BUT football, yes? Disheartening for sure. I can't help but laugh at your attempt to refocus of the subject ... trying to side step the fact that in a short period of time $25M+ had been raised for both Football and Basketball projects. It has not only been reported that matching funds for the Fowler gift had been raised-- but a detailed accounting of how it was spent has been published as well. You either don't keep up with those things that you attempt to bash the admin and leadership over or you are intentionally ignorant of the goings on at SDSU so that you can continue to troll. I will guess that you have made no attempt to understand the multiple and coordinated fundraising efforts at SDSU since you tried to separate and compare the fundraising campaign by the university of which the AD fundraising is a part of (along with KPBS and other campus activities which have been rolled into one large effort). The "campaign for SDSU" has been so successful that it has been split in two ... one part to raise money for campus programs/projects and one to increase the endowment.
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Post by myownwords on Aug 25, 2015 17:23:28 GMT -8
Indeed that's been published. So since 2011, when Fowler gave us $5 million, we've only managed to raise another $5 million? Seems we can raise almost 3/4 of a billion dollars for everything BUT football, yes? Disheartening for sure. I can't help but laugh at your attempt to refocus of the subject ... trying to side step the fact that in a short period of time $25M+ had been raised for both Football and Basketball projects. It has not only been reported that matching funds for the Fowler gift had been raised-- but a detailed accounting of how it was spent has been published as well. You either don't keep up with those things that you attempt to bash the admin and leadership over or you are intentionally ignorant of the goings on at SDSU so that you can continue to troll. I will guess that you have made no attempt to understand the multiple and coordinated fundraising efforts at SDSU since you tried to separate and compare the fundraising campaign by the university of which the AD fundraising is a part of (along with KPBS and other campus activities which have been rolled into one large effort). The "campaign for SDSU" has been so successful that it has been split in two ... one part to raise money for campus programs/projects and one to increase the endowment. Actually, the side-stepping is your specialty. In this discussion I don't care about basketball, so let's forget the $25 million and get back to the penurious $5 million. That is the total for football since Fowler's gift of $5 in 2011. Are you, or anyone else, not ashamed of that? Do you not see the problem?
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Post by aztecfili on Aug 25, 2015 17:26:50 GMT -8
These rumors have been around for a while. Sterk offered nothing new in the interview. MLS in SD is inevitable either way.
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Post by aardvark on Aug 25, 2015 17:40:07 GMT -8
For those of you that keep forgetting ... SDSU Athletics Launches Rise to 25 CampaignDec. 23, 2014"To date, the football program already has accomplished several milestones on and off the field. A generous $5 million challenge gift from Ron and Alexis Fowler in 2011 resulted in $5 million in matching gifts for athletic improvements, including:• Football practice field grass renovation • Turf field replacement • New film towers for football practice field • New lights for football practice field • Renovated football locker room in Fowler Athletics Center • Renovated football locker room at Qualcomm Stadium • Compensation for coaching staff • Added athletic medicine staff • Added rehabilitation equipment to the athletic medicine area • New computers for football staff • Renovated Fowler Athletics Center football suite and meeting rooms • Improved stadium branding • Upgraded video system for coach and student-athlete viewing • Increased department staffing In the coming months, SDSU will unveil additional program information and details." Per an article in the U-T (or whatever they called it that year) by Nick Canepa on 12/6/2010, the first million was for Hoke (who split for Michigan not long after signing his contract extension), assistants, and facility improvements (as you list above), and the other $4 mil was contingent on it being matched by other donations.
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Post by Boise Aztec on Aug 25, 2015 17:41:15 GMT -8
win win if money is there . Either go into a brand new state of the art 1.2 Billion dollar facility with the Chargers if they stay or have a facility possibly with MLS team ? I find the oft-mentioned MLS approach quite interesting because I've not heard San Diego referenced in any discussion as a possibility for expansion. The MLS will be expanding from 20 teams today to 22 teams in 2017 with the additions of Atlanta and either Los Angeles or Minnesota, and then to 23 teams in 2018 with the addition of Minnesota or Los Angeles, depending which team joins the league the preceding year. By 2020, the league plans to have 24 teams and I think Miami has the inside track to be the 24th team with David Beckham’s group continuing to make progress with the city officials in regards to building a soccer-specific stadium. And some think Sacramento is ahead of Miami, with their failed Fusion, except for Beckham. Still the question would be when does MLS decide to pause the express for a few years. 24, 26, ?
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