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Post by 84aztec96 on Sept 2, 2015 13:55:19 GMT -8
True, around 2012 I believe. However, by his senior year he'll have been here 5+ years and arguably the most formative years. Plus, he's living with a former Aztec player, Zach Jones. Proximity can be a huge tool in recruiting, as he can attend games & even take "unofficials" to practices at the JAM center, etc. Our coaches will be able to easily attend his games & build relationships over the next couple years, whereas many others will have a much tougher time hitting a weekday and/or Saturday night game.
So a few things playing in our favor, hopefully.
Never say never....
I'm not totally sure but I don't think Zach Jones is a big SDSU guy. When he coached at Horizon he had 2 big time players in his tenure Jared Dudley and Jeff Withey and they both landed elsewhere, I don't think Withey ever even gave us a sniff. I doubt coach Jones is anti-SDSU. My son plays for his club team, and he seems like a pretty straight forward guy that will advise based on what is best for the player. (That is, he won't specifically pull for us or against us). On the plus side, Jones is definetly a defense first / intensity type of coach which fits with our style. And we have a legitimate top teir basketball program. But again, we are talking about the #1 recruit in the NATION! So I think the player would have to want to stay in San Diego for us to have a shot. If he wants to stay in SD, there is a team that can meet his ability / needs...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 14:06:59 GMT -8
Look at the Michingan State team that was led by Mateen Cleaves. A group of highly rated local guys decided to stay at home and play for a good but not necessarily blue blood school. They absolutely took the college basketball world by storm. It would be amazing if the Aztecs could do the same with some of the high level local kids available over the next few years. We can always dream.
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Post by CbLsD on Sept 2, 2015 15:58:30 GMT -8
Look at the Michingan State team that was led by Mateen Cleaves. A group of highly rated local guys decided to stay at home and play for a good but not necessarily blue blood school. They absolutely took the college basketball world by storm. It would be amazing if the Aztecs could do the same with some of the high level local kids available over the next few years. We can always dream. If Michigan State isn't a "blue blood" I'd hate to see how we are viewed nationally.....
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Post by bluemeanie on Sept 2, 2015 16:46:21 GMT -8
"If Michigan State isn't a "blue blood" I'd hate to see how we are viewed nationally....."
Are you saying we cannot keep local players because we are not "blue bloods"?
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Post by Frantic on Sept 2, 2015 18:12:56 GMT -8
I'm not totally sure but I don't think Zach Jones is a big SDSU guy. When he coached at Horizon he had 2 big time players in his tenure Jared Dudley and Jeff Withey and they both landed elsewhere, I don't think Withey ever even gave us a sniff. I'm not sure Zack Jones had anything to do with Withey or Dudley not becoming Aztecs. Withey always had his sights set elsewhere. First he was a Louisville commit, then he transferred to Arizona, then he transferred to Kansas. And his parents were heavily involved - they even picked up and moved to Tucson and then Kansas. Jared Dudley got away for sure, but I'm not sure we ever offered, and I don't think many schools did. He blew up more than any player I can think of off hand. In addition, Marcus Slaughter committed to us in July 2003, while Dudley committed to BC in August 2003. Similar players and I think they played the same position. Wouldn't surprise me to learn Fish said to Slaughter and Dudley the first to commit gets the scholie.
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Post by CbLsD on Sept 2, 2015 18:18:07 GMT -8
"If Michigan State isn't a "blue blood" I'd hate to see how we are viewed nationally....."
Are you saying we cannot keep local players because we are not "blue bloods"?
No I'm saying Michigan State is a blue blood and not just a "good" team.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 18:53:22 GMT -8
"If Michigan State isn't a "blue blood" I'd hate to see how we are viewed nationally....."
Are you saying we cannot keep local players because we are not "blue bloods"?
No I'm saying Michigan State is a blue blood and not just a "good" team. When the Flintstones decided to stay home (late 90's), Michigan State was not a "Blueblood"
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 19:04:50 GMT -8
"If Michigan State isn't a "blue blood" I'd hate to see how we are viewed nationally....."
Are you saying we cannot keep local players because we are not "blue bloods"?
No I'm saying Michigan State is a blue blood and not just a "good" team. Good is definitely underselling their program. They are elite. It is hard to call a team a blue blood when they play second fiddle in their own state.
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Post by survalli on Sept 2, 2015 19:33:15 GMT -8
I'm not totally sure but I don't think Zach Jones is a big SDSU guy. When he coached at Horizon he had 2 big time players in his tenure Jared Dudley and Jeff Withey and they both landed elsewhere, I don't think Withey ever even gave us a sniff. I'm not sure Zack Jones had anything to do with Withey or Dudley not becoming Aztecs. Withey always had his sights set elsewhere. First he was a Louisville commit, then he transferred to Arizona, then he transferred to Kansas. And his parents were heavily involved - they even picked up and moved to Tucson and then Kansas. Jared Dudley got away for sure, but I'm not sure we ever offered, and I don't think many schools did. He blew up more than any player I can think of off hand. In addition, Marcus Slaughter committed to us in July 2003, while Dudley committed to BC in August 2003. Similar players and I think they played the same position. Wouldn't surprise me to learn Fish said to Slaughter and Dudley the first to commit gets the scholie. Dudley's mom told me that the Aztecs didn't offer until was too late.
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Post by aztecfury on Sept 2, 2015 20:00:50 GMT -8
With the amount of high caliber talent that's been coming out of San Diego lately it has to be only a matter of time until we get one of these local 5 star guys.
Someone who wants to stay in SD for family/friends/girlfriend etc.
I do think that if Pope goes high in the draft it could definitely could help our chances, whenever that may be.
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Post by CbLsD on Sept 2, 2015 21:35:35 GMT -8
No I'm saying Michigan State is a blue blood and not just a "good" team. When the Flintstones decided to stay home (late 90's), Michigan State was not a "Blueblood" I kinda remember a guy named Earvin something that played there and I'm pretty sure it wasn't in the late 90's. Believe he may have even won a national championship against some dude named Larry.
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Post by ignoranus on Sept 3, 2015 5:31:18 GMT -8
'79 was a Magic year.
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Sept 3, 2015 5:43:57 GMT -8
True, around 2012 I believe. However, by his senior year he'll have been here 5+ years and arguably the most formative years. Plus, he's living with a former Aztec player, Zach Jones. Proximity can be a huge tool in recruiting, as he can attend games & even take "unofficials" to practices at the JAM center, etc. Our coaches will be able to easily attend his games & build relationships over the next couple years, whereas many others will have a much tougher time hitting a weekday and/or Saturday night game.
So a few things playing in our favor, hopefully.
Never say never....
I'm not totally sure but I don't think Zach Jones is a big SDSU guy. When he coached at Horizon he had 2 big time players in his tenure Jared Dudley and Jeff Withey and they both landed elsewhere, I don't think Withey ever even gave us a sniff. Pretty sure Withey attended at least 1 AZTEC BB game, it may have been a courtesy call to the coaching staff but he was seen in the arena. AZTEC BB wasn't where it is today and as some said you can't blame him for selecting Kansas at the time.
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Sept 3, 2015 5:56:27 GMT -8
When the Flintstones decided to stay home (late 90's), Michigan State was not a "Blueblood" I kinda remember a guy named Earvin something that played there and I'm pretty sure it wasn't in the late 90's. Believe he may have even won a national championship against some dude named Larry. Winning 1 title with 1 good player that happens to go there doesn't qualify you as a blue blood. I wouldn't consider Mich St a blue blood until Izzo started his run there
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Post by standiego on Sept 3, 2015 7:01:28 GMT -8
Aztecs are going to need to have a strong run in MM if you want to battle the elite schools for the top 25 rated players.
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Post by bluemeanie on Sept 3, 2015 22:50:08 GMT -8
Aztecs are going to need to have a strong run in MM if you want to battle the elite schools for the top 25 rated players. Where's my blood pressure monitor?
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Post by CbLsD on Sept 3, 2015 23:13:11 GMT -8
I kinda remember a guy named Earvin something that played there and I'm pretty sure it wasn't in the late 90's. Believe he may have even won a national championship against some dude named Larry. Winning 1 title with 1 good player that happens to go there doesn't qualify you as a blue blood. I wouldn't consider Mich St a blue blood until Izzo started his run there The 79 team also had All American and 4th pick in the draft Greg Kelser, 4th round pick Ron Carles, 2nd round pick Jay Vincent, and 8th rounder Mike Brkovich. I think saying they had one good player might be a bit of a stretch.
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Post by aztecfury on Sept 3, 2015 23:14:16 GMT -8
Aztecs are going to need to have a strong run in MM if you want to battle the elite schools for the top 25 rated players. Look your stating the obvious here, but it's not the end be all for recruits. UConn has won 3 NCAA tournaments since 2000(they also won in 1999 the year before). Ties Duke for most tourney wins in the last 15 years. Kentucky has only won one, Kansas also one. They literally just won the tournament the year before and even that doesn't seem to have done much for their recruiting.
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Sept 4, 2015 5:56:43 GMT -8
Going far in MM isn't as important as producing good pro players IMO. Kawhi obviously is one but he's literally our only one. We're at least getting guys to be drafted (Jamaal, X) but they aren't sticking on teams. We need to have more good pro players and our recruiting will spike
Hopefully JJO will stick and he'll be another one. Its kind of the chicken or the egg though because you need to recruit good players to produce pros. But if we can develop some of the lower 4* recruits we get into good pros we'll definitely start recruiting better
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Post by standiego on Sept 4, 2015 9:49:13 GMT -8
UCONN proves that if you get to the higher levels of MM ,it does elevate your status with recruits , they also have players in the NBA . They just signed a top recruit this week . Gonzaga has now elevated itself in the recruiting of quality players . Signed Collins , with a stronger showing in MM. We all have our opinions . Every recruit has a different priority list of things that are important to them . I believe most of the guys in the top 15 or 25 are looking for a school that enables/develops ,or has track record to get them to the NBA as quickly as possible and in the position they play . Some of the recruits look if you have had a similar player to their skill set and if they are playing in the NBA or got them into the first round of the draft. Kentucky not only has one and done players but also shows that they are selected in the first round . MG-C the other day said he had watched how we used K. Leonard when he was here , hopes he could be a similar player . Collins , said he watched how the Zags played and development of Kelly Olynik ( sp). The longer a schools extends its run in MM , the more you hear about that school and its players . P5 schools still have an aura about them so schools not in the P5 , Need to show results in MM and getting guys to the NBA to get the higher rated recruits.
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