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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 8:24:45 GMT -8
Adjusting to the college game is typically a challenge for all but the very best incoming freshmen. However, it is possibly a bigger challenge to learn a new position. As an example, it took DJ more time to adjust to a new position than it did Richie to adjust to college ball. I think that Hemsley was going to get a chance to start regardless of Shrigley's status. We have big question marks coming in at both guard positions. perhaps the Aztecs play a
More athletic lineup with Zylan and either Hemsley or Kell at the point.
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Post by standiego on Aug 4, 2015 8:53:01 GMT -8
Hope most agree that the PSS front line : Pope, Shepard ,Spencer is secure . with reserves Dakari , Angelo , Zylan the DAZ band - with Dakari backing up Malik(SF ) or Kell ( SG ) Zylan backing up both forwards .
Guards should be JH ,who was brought in here with PG experience and is the real deal , even though he will make mistakes, so does every one at PG, but also brings so many other talents that we need from a PG . Take the mistakes and he will learn from it. Let Kell play his natural position SG , he did not deliver the points we needed last year because he tried to focus on PG . This year we will need his scoring at SG , he has some good court sense for a SG but not a PG, . DJ did not move over to PG until his third season playing here and it was still a learning curve for him .
The coaches recruit very athletic guys just play a style that uses their athletic ability on offense . Rebound , get into transition , run and attack the basket . Get the centers involved in going to the basket and being near the basket for rebounds , not outside setting screens.
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Post by aztecindal on Aug 4, 2015 8:54:42 GMT -8
A lot on here say he will have a challenge learning a new position so I wanted to post some quotes from a utsandiego article last month.
"he’s really, really gifted at getting into veins and then finding shooters or big guys. Offensively, that’s where he is the most ready to succeed at the college level.”
But wait. Isn’t Hemsley supposed to project as a 2-guard instead of point? At least that’s how the major recruiting services all list him.
That’s because his loaded AAU team had other point guards and Hemsley, being the consummate team player, regularly played on the wing. That’s also because recruiting increasingly is conducted on the AAU circuit than high school gyms, and because for many college programs Damien High wasn’t a two-hour drive up Interstate 15.
“When you watch him in summer basketball and the AAU circuit, he defers,” SDSU coach Steve Fisher says. “He was with a team that has three point guards, and he’s one of the three. You watch him with his high school team and you say, ‘This is a really good point guard.’”
There will be some growing pains of course, but if he starts he will not have to shoulder the ball handling duties on his own..In the starting lineup you will have TK and WS to help.
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Post by sdcoug on Aug 4, 2015 9:24:02 GMT -8
Hope most agree that the PSS front line : Pope, Shepard ,Spencer is secure . with reserves Dakari , Angelo , Zylan the DAZ band - with Dakari backing up Malik(SF ) or Kell ( SG ) Zylan backing up both forwards . Shepard could easily be playing the #2 with Zylan starting at the 4, so wouldn't say that "front line" is definitive.
I think the only definitive is Pope & Win will be starting SOMEWHERE, and it's 90% that Sky will start over Chol. Outside of that there's a lot in the air, including:
1. Is JH as prepared to start as the coaches think he is, or do we stay with Kell (at least initially) or has Williams improved enough & finally 100% healthy to where he can unseat Kell? 2. Has Kell regained the touch he was so well known for in HS & can he be the Maui Kell all season? 3. How much has Chol improved defensively, and has he continued to improve on his post play? 4. Has Sky gotten even stronger; is he more confident at the FT line; and will he therefore be more of a threat offensively? 5. Has Dakari improved offensively, especially his shot, and will he use less hands & more feet on the defensive end?
Plus the usual questions around Pope & Win, although again their positions should be secure.
If I had to bet I'd expect the starting line-up to be JH, Kell, Win, Pope & SS, but none of the following would surprise me either:
- Kell, Win, Pope, Zylan, Sky - JH, Win, Pope, Zylan, Sky - JH, Kell, Win, Pope, Chol (offensive) - Williams, Kell, Win, Pope, Sky
I think it's unlikely Allen breaks the starting line-up, primary due to who is in front of him. Williams can benefit from Kell moving to the #2 & JH not quite being ready, so probably has a greater shot. I also think it's unlikely Chol starts, simply because Sky has started for a couple years & Chol has come of the bench. Mentally, they're prepared more for that.
The other known - we're thin, and therefore there won't be too many questions about who plays. We have 9 scholarship players available to play, and ALL should be in the rotation. We can't afford any additional injuries, not with the style of ball we play.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 10:58:49 GMT -8
Depth took a major hit with Matt getting hurt, especially from a scoring perspective. Unless Kell comes off the bench, we really do not have anyone with a proven ability to put the ball in the hole for the 2nd unit. This year's team will be relying tremendously on an improved Trey Kell. Hopefully Malik takes a big jump also, especially on defense.
Losing O'Brien, Polee, Quinn and now Shrigley is a huge amount of scoring and responsibility to replace.
That said, I agree with those who are predicting Hemsley/Kell/Shepard/Pope/Spencer as our starting five. I honestly think this was the lineup even before Shrigley got hurt, just now we lose Shrigley as a leader of the second unit.
Shepard, Pope, and Kell will play A LOT of minutes this season. Going to need at least two of those guys in at all times, IMO.
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Post by aztech on Aug 4, 2015 11:45:51 GMT -8
Depth took a major hit with Matt getting hurt, especially from a scoring perspective. Unless Kell comes off the bench, we really do not have anyone with a proven ability to put the ball in the hole for the 2nd unit. This year's team will be relying tremendously on an improved Trey Kell. Hopefully Malik takes a big jump also, especially on defense. Losing O'Brien, Polee, Quinn and now Shrigley is a huge amount of scoring and responsibility to replace. That said, I agree with those who are predicting Hemsley/Kell/Shepard/Pope/Spencer as our starting five. I honestly think this was the lineup even before Shrigley got hurt, just now we lose Shrigley as a leader of the second unit. Shepard, Pope, and Kell will play A LOT of minutes this season. Going to need at least two of those guys in at all times, IMO. Seems many are second guessing Cheatham. He's a wildcard, nobody really knows what he's going to bring. I do like the fact that he was able to practice with the team as a redshirt. To me he's built like a guy who can create havoc on the floor. The question is, will it be controlled or uncontrolled havoc? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 12:06:32 GMT -8
Depth took a major hit with Matt getting hurt, especially from a scoring perspective. Unless Kell comes off the bench, we really do not have anyone with a proven ability to put the ball in the hole for the 2nd unit. This year's team will be relying tremendously on an improved Trey Kell. Hopefully Malik takes a big jump also, especially on defense. Losing O'Brien, Polee, Quinn and now Shrigley is a huge amount of scoring and responsibility to replace. That said, I agree with those who are predicting Hemsley/Kell/Shepard/Pope/Spencer as our starting five. I honestly think this was the lineup even before Shrigley got hurt, just now we lose Shrigley as a leader of the second unit. Shepard, Pope, and Kell will play A LOT of minutes this season. Going to need at least two of those guys in at all times, IMO. Seems many are second guessing Cheatham. He's a wildcard, nobody really knows what he's going to bring. I do like the fact that he was able to practice with the team as a redshirt. To me he's built like a guy who can create havoc on the floor. The question is, will it be controlled or uncontrolled havoc? I think at best Zylan will have a Billy White-like freshman season, which would be great. I will take 8 pts/6 boards a game and conference freshman of the year honors from him in a heartbeat. However, I do not think there is any chance at all that our offense ever runs through him this season. There will likely be zero set plays for him, etc. He will get a lot of minutes and will bring a tremendous amount of energy to the floor. His scoring will likely come in transition or off of put backs. I do not think the coaches are relying on him to be our offense off the bench. But I hear you loud and clear... I am expecting him to bring lots of energy and be a real spark for our 2nd unit. He might be the kid I am most excited about this season. Zylan might be the best combination of size/athleticism we have had in the Fisher era. He seems to be more explosive than any of our dunking greats of the past - guys like Evan Burns, Trimaine Davis, Jerome Habel, Lorrenzo Wade, Billy White and even Jamaal Franklin. It will take a lot of work for him to unseat Zo as the greatest in-game dunker but we shall see. |
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Post by aztecindal on Aug 4, 2015 12:15:11 GMT -8
ZC should be able to reck havoc in that second unit
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Post by haleiwaaztec on Aug 4, 2015 12:16:30 GMT -8
Anybody who thinks Hemsley isn't going to be the starting PG just isn't paying attention.
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Post by originalshow00 on Aug 4, 2015 12:23:38 GMT -8
Anybody who thinks Hemsley isn't going to be the starting PG just isn't paying attention. He might start but what type of minutes he gets will be determined on how good he is playing.He could be the starter but only get 10 minutes a game or 20 if he is playing well.I have never seen a freshman dominate since Evan Burns but miracles can happen. |
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Post by The Honey Badger on Aug 4, 2015 13:05:14 GMT -8
Anybody who thinks Hemsley isn't going to be the starting PG just isn't paying attention. He might start but what type of minutes he gets will be determined on how good he is playing.He could be the starter but only get 10 minutes a game or 20 if he is playing well. I have never seen a freshman dominate since Evan Burns but miracles can happen.Kiwi Leonard bruh |
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Post by The Honey Badger on Aug 4, 2015 13:19:17 GMT -8
And stop it with the Trey Kell hype this dude does not deserve to start, I have seen DII players that can shoot better than him. The guy was abysmal from all over the court last season and most of his looks were clean.
I hope he's putting in work this offseason because shooting22% from 3pt and 33% overall (worst shooter on last years team) with crappy defense does not make a guy a shoe-in for a starting job , get real people he was bad.
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Post by sdsu2000 on Aug 4, 2015 14:23:39 GMT -8
I think if Shrigley was available you may have seen Kell starting at PG to bring Hemsley along slowly. But with Shrigley out and Hemsley more natural at the PG position than Kell it all but puts Hemsley into the starting lineup. Kell and Shepard can take some of the pressure off by brining up the ball. Heck, maybe you'll even see Pope brining it up from time to time like JJ and Leonard did. I think you'll see Hemlsey do a better job than Kell at running the point, getting others involved, creating and playing defense. Hopefully Kell can bring an improved offensive game to floor to make up for the lack of AQ & Shrigley.
I just want to see Zylan and Shepard attack the boards on both sides of the court. Shepard can improve his offensive numbers by doing so and we need better rebounding this year.
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Post by haleiwaaztec on Aug 4, 2015 14:47:31 GMT -8
Hemsley will get at least 60-70% of the minutes. He is very good player and will be the starting PG.
For some context...
Here is the Freshman PT of late
2015
Kell - 48% Min / Pope 31% (would be more if not for late start)
2014
Shrigley - 38% (Redshirt)
2013
Shepard - 46% Min / Spencer 35%
2010
Leonard - 77% / Tapley 56%
2011
Shelton - 53% (Redshirt)
2010
White - 71% / Gay 58%
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Post by originalshow00 on Aug 4, 2015 15:18:13 GMT -8
He might start but what type of minutes he gets will be determined on how good he is playing.He could be the starter but only get 10 minutes a game or 20 if he is playing well. I have never seen a freshman dominate since Evan Burns but miracles can happen.Kiwi Leonard bruh more his sophmore year but I know what your saying |
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Post by aztecanthony on Aug 4, 2015 15:26:49 GMT -8
Cheatham's ahead on the defensive end of things for a first year player, I hear his outside shot is a little unorthodox though, wish we had a shooting Guru type coach to correct and improve the shooting technique early in SDSU careers. He's definitely physically talented and will make a strong push for major minutes. IMO Pope should make a huge leap in scoring, he'll be on the court more if his defense has picked up. I expect Hemsley to start at PG either out of the gate or early in the season. I really like DW and hope he gets the opportunity to play, think he will be a pleasant surprise. We should be better than last year because Hemsley is quick enough to break the defense down and get more open looks for Kell, Shepard, and others. I'm not completely confident that these 2 have put the time, technique, and repetition to capitalize. I heard Shep say in an interview that one of his main goals was to work on his mental game, when to shoot, dribble, pass, playing within himself, etc. I agree with him, but IMO he REALLY needs to develop a soft consistent mid range jumper, average 14-15 pts. per game, limit turnovers, continue to play defense. I hope we take advantage of our strengths, quickness, and athletic ability. Lets give Chol and Spencer some easy dunks, layups in the open court. Our big's brick hands really show up when we are trying to make tough passes in the half court set. Can't wait til the season. As someone mentioned earlier, we lost a lot of scoring, JJ, Quinn, Polee, Shrigley. Pope will offset the JJ's points, Polee was out most the year, Hemsley will offset and improve Quinn's numbers. Any number of players should be able to take the Shrigley opportunities. If Cheatham brings the excitement I think he will, I would love to see Cheatham, Hemsley, Pope, Shep, and Sky create havoc on both ends of the court. This could very well be the right recipe for another big RUN.
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Post by uncledougy on Aug 4, 2015 15:49:06 GMT -8
Can't wait to see Z on the floor....I think he will be huge for us this year....HUGE!
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Post by uwphoto on Aug 4, 2015 19:17:20 GMT -8
I could care less about how many guys can make fancy dunks. More warm up dunks?? After a couple years of "clank fest" I just want to see some guys that can make a 10-15 footer.... or a consistent 3. With Shrigley out I am very concerned about our shooting. Who the heck is going to score for us?? I see the Pope potential, but who else is going to score consistently?
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Post by onions on Aug 4, 2015 19:27:18 GMT -8
A few descriptions of Hemsley's scouting reports says he's "a bit out of control which leads to turnovers" and he "needs to improve on decision making". I'm not sure that's what I call a lock to start at PG as freshman ... but that's only if you've been paying attention. That sounds more like someone that could get limited minutes as he learns to slow down and take care of the ball. Combine that with the fact that half of our rebounds this year will come from 3 combo forwards (Pope, Shepard, Cheatham) that can all have excellent handles, and can take it off the rim and bring it up court ... means we don't necessarily need a PG as much as we need someone to take care of the ball and score it in a half court set. The main thing he brings is speed and penetration which we always need ... along with good size, length and defense. But he's also likely to pick up quick fouls reaching on defense and adjusting to the speed of the college game ... so again, we'll be lucky to get 20 solid minutes per game out of him next year ... and hopefully he averages more assists than turnovers ... but to think this kid is a dominant starting PG from game one is a little crazy. Headed to San Diego State, Hemsley is very athletic and very aggressive. He's looking to make plays off the dribble but at times is a bit out of control which leads to turnovers. basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1719329Jeremy Hemsley: Improvement Needed In Decision-Making www.theprepinsiders.com/player/jeremy-hemsley/ |
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Post by bagtec on Aug 4, 2015 19:43:36 GMT -8
I'm intrigued with Hemsley at the point Win and Pope as the wings. And ZC and Sky as the front court. I think Zylan and Pope are gonna have great chemistry together and play some very unselfish ball. I don't know if that's enough scoring for the starting unit, but you have trey, kari, chol and Williams off the bench. I think it's very important to have Hemsley and Zylan with some starting expierence to go along with kell and shrigley in 16-17. We most likely lose Pope along with Win and Sky.
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