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Post by Old School on Jul 30, 2015 9:52:23 GMT -8
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Post by fanhood on Jul 30, 2015 10:29:51 GMT -8
I believe that this is the year for Rocky to take Aztec football to the next level. I believe that we will beat either Penn State or Cal, then will win the MW West division. With that, I still see a successful season as going 9-3 (7-1) and playing for the Conference Championship game. Even if we go 8-4 (6-2) but play in the MW Championship Game, it would still be a success. However, I fear that many hear will not see it that way, and will call for Rocky's head.
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Post by Old School on Jul 30, 2015 10:43:50 GMT -8
You can't please everybody and that's normal. Hell, Luginbill was close to cracking the Top 25 with his squad and Faulk (they even tied USC and gave Miami problems)...but that still wasn't enough (and was fired). All I can say is, you don't have to like somebody but have to respect them for their successes.
Haters are going to hate.
Oldie Out
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Post by sdsuballer on Jul 30, 2015 10:44:18 GMT -8
The story should also have a flip side. The way I look at Rocky Long is what we saw almost twenty years ago at Utah with Ron McBride. Ron took over a program that could not win in football and made it respectable. Unfortunately, Ron could not take the program to the next level (Elite Bowl games). Towards the end of Ron McBride tenure he was going on a downward spiral with wins and losses. Then Utah fired McBride and took a chance on a Head Coach name Urban Meyers which took the program to the next level. Urban Meyers single handily turned the culture of the locker room and is the biggest reason why they are in the PAC 12. He made his players accountable and got the most out of them. Making up excuses or being mediocre was not in Urban Meyers vocabulary while at Utah. #No more Excuses#
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Post by Old School on Jul 30, 2015 10:49:31 GMT -8
Urban Mayer was a hotshot coach on his way up, to bigger better things, taking his staff with him as he got hired away by bigger name programs. Rocky is here to stay, he's not going anywhere (see his age, hair color). Like Fish and Dutcher, I'd assume Rocky's successor will be hired from within (Horton?). That way, the system stays the same and success will continue.
Oldie Out
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Post by mnico213 on Jul 30, 2015 11:17:07 GMT -8
Yeah, but what about Urben Meier?
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Post by sdsuballer on Jul 30, 2015 11:22:06 GMT -8
Urban Mayer was a hotshot coach on his way up, to bigger better things, taking his staff with him as he got hired away by bigger name programs. Rocky is here to stay, he's not going anywhere (see his age, hair color). Like Fish and Dutcher, I'd assume Rocky's successor will be hired from within (Horton?). That way, the system stays the same and success will continue. Oldie Out Rocky = Ron Mcbride. We have received the most out of Rocky and are receiving diminish return... Rocky wont be here to take us to the next level..
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Post by sandiegopete on Jul 30, 2015 12:18:44 GMT -8
It is axiomatic that regardless of the success of a college football coach there will always be a small part of the fan base that want's a coaching change.
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Post by Frantic on Jul 30, 2015 12:18:54 GMT -8
You can't please everybody and that's normal. Hell, Luginbill was close to cracking the Top 25 with his squad and Faulk (they even tied USC and gave Miami problems)...but that still wasn't enough (and was fired). All I can say is, you don't have to like somebody but have to respect them for their successes. Haters are going to hate. Oldie Out With all that talent, I believe Luginbill deserved to be fired. We cracked the top 25 for two weeks in 1992, but otherwise: 31-25-3 in five years. Only two winning seasons. No conference championships. One bowl appearance (loss). The team gave up at least 30ppg in four of his five years. In Lugie's last year (with Faulk scoring 24 TDs and Darnay Scott scoring 10 TDs), we went 6-6 (4-4 in conference), finished seventh in the WAC, lost four straight to end the season, and the team gave up an average of 32ppg.
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Post by ab on Jul 30, 2015 12:49:09 GMT -8
You can't please everybody and that's normal. Hell, Luginbill was close to cracking the Top 25 with his squad and Faulk (they even tied USC and gave Miami problems)...but that still wasn't enough (and was fired). All I can say is, you don't have to like somebody but have to respect them for their successes. Haters are going to hate. Oldie Out With all that talent, I believe Luginbill deserved to be fired. We cracked the top 25 for two weeks in 1992, but otherwise: 31-25-3 in five years. Only two winning seasons. No conference championships. One bowl appearance (loss). The team gave up at least 30ppg in four of his five years. In Lugie's last year (with Faulk scoring 24 TDs and Darnay Scott scoring 10 TDs), we went 6-6 (4-4 in conference), finished seventh in the WAC, lost four straight to end the season, and the team gave up an average of 32ppg. Lugie's inability to recruit replacements for Marshall and Darnay was his biggest downfall. You would have thought we would have been in the running for the Top 10 RB and Top 10 WR after those years.
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Post by laaztec on Jul 30, 2015 13:15:58 GMT -8
Urban Mayer was a hotshot coach on his way up, to bigger better things, taking his staff with him as he got hired away by bigger name programs. Rocky is here to stay, he's not going anywhere (see his age, hair color). Like Fish and Dutcher, I'd assume Rocky's successor will be hired from within (Horton?). That way, the system stays the same and success will continue. Oldie Out Rocky = Ron Mcbride. We have received the most out of Rocky and are receiving diminish return... Rocky wont be here to take us to the next level.. Agreed.
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Post by tonatiuh on Jul 30, 2015 13:25:27 GMT -8
Urban Mayer was a hotshot coach on his way up, to bigger better things, taking his staff with him as he got hired away by bigger name programs. Rocky is here to stay, he's not going anywhere (see his age, hair color). Like Fish and Dutcher, I'd assume Rocky's successor will be hired from within (Horton?). That way, the system stays the same and success will continue. Oldie Out Rocky = Ron Mcbride. We have received the most out of Rocky and are receiving diminish return... Rocky wont be here to take us to the next level.. He may, or he may not,but I would like to see you guarantee the last part of your statement.
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Post by Frantic on Jul 30, 2015 13:31:00 GMT -8
Lugie's inability to recruit replacements for Marshall and Darnay was his biggest downfall. You would have thought we would have been in the running for the Top 10 RB and Top 10 WR after those years. Not really. Lugie's last year was 1993, which was also Marshall's and Darnay's last year. Lugie was fired on Dec 1, 1993.
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Post by aztech on Jul 30, 2015 13:37:16 GMT -8
You can't please everybody and that's normal. Hell, Luginbill was close to cracking the Top 25 with his squad and Faulk (they even tied USC and gave Miami problems)...but that still wasn't enough (and was fired). All I can say is, you don't have to like somebody but have to respect them for their successes. Haters are going to hate. Oldie Out With all that talent, I believe Luginbill deserved to be fired. We cracked the top 25 for two weeks in 1992, but otherwise: 31-25-3 in five years. Only two winning seasons. No conference championships. One bowl appearance (loss). The team gave up at least 30ppg in four of his five years. In Lugie's last year (with Faulk scoring 24 TDs and Darnay Scott scoring 10 TDs), we went 6-6 (4-4 in conference), finished seventh in the WAC, lost four straight to end the season, and the team gave up an average of 32ppg. Lugie's fate was based on hanging on to his inept DC, Barry Lamb. If we had a defense then, there's no telling how far Lugie could have taken us.
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Post by retiredaztec on Jul 30, 2015 14:01:44 GMT -8
I believe that this is the year for Rocky to take Aztec football to the next level. I believe that we will beat either Penn State or Cal, then will win the MW West division. With that, I still see a successful season as going 9-3 (7-1) and playing for the Conference Championship game. Even if we go 8-4 (6-2) but play in the MW Championship Game, it would still be a success. However, I fear that many hear will not see it that way, and will call for Rocky's head. I was against Rocky's hire from day one, just like the other Long. However, if the team were to post the numbers you anticipate, I would agree to referring to it as a successful season, (compared to what again?). The question would be however, though it would be no where close to raising the program to the next level, could the fans live with this? And I'm not talking about the apologists on this board, but the community as a whole.
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Post by ab on Jul 30, 2015 14:22:42 GMT -8
Lugie's inability to recruit replacements for Marshall and Darnay was his biggest downfall. You would have thought we would have been in the running for the Top 10 RB and Top 10 WR after those years. Not really. Lugie's last year was 1993, which was also Marshall's and Darnay's last year. Lugie was fired on Dec 1, 1993. Yes really. With Marshall and Darnay playing as they did, Lugie should have brought in top 10 RB/WR EVERY year and not just after they left.
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Post by Frantic on Jul 30, 2015 14:35:39 GMT -8
Not really. Lugie's last year was 1993, which was also Marshall's and Darnay's last year. Lugie was fired on Dec 1, 1993. Yes really. With Marshall and Darnay playing as they did, Lugie should have brought in top 10 RB/WR EVERY year and not just after they left. I agree recruiting should have been better, especially on the defensive side. But Lugie's downfall wasn't his inability to recruit replacements for Faulk and Darnay. His downfall was the inability to win with Faulk and Darnay, among others.
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Post by Old School on Jul 30, 2015 15:15:21 GMT -8
With all that talent, I believe Luginbill deserved to be fired. We cracked the top 25 for two weeks in 1992, but otherwise: 31-25-3 in five years. Only two winning seasons. No conference championships. One bowl appearance (loss). The team gave up at least 30ppg in four of his five years. In Lugie's last year (with Faulk scoring 24 TDs and Darnay Scott scoring 10 TDs), we went 6-6 (4-4 in conference), finished seventh in the WAC, lost four straight to end the season, and the team gave up an average of 32ppg. Lugie's fate was based on hanging on to his inept DC, Barry Lamb. If we had a defense then, there's no telling how far Lugie could have taken us. Well, OC Dave Lay wrote up plays that had us score much too quickly, not giving our defense any time to rest. Oldie Out
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Post by aztech on Jul 30, 2015 15:17:46 GMT -8
Lugie's fate was based on hanging on to his inept DC, Barry Lamb. If we had a defense then, there's no telling how far Lugie could have taken us. Well, OC Dave Lay wrote up plays that had us score much too quickly, not giving our defense any time to rest. Oldie Out If it isn't one thing, it's another. Will it ever change with this program?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 15:41:28 GMT -8
Between 2001 and 2008, Rocky's last 8 seasons coaching at UNM they had an overall record of 43-31 and a conference record of 34-26. Certainly not a world beater, but if he was able to win like that at a place like UNM while BYU, Utah, and TCU(joined 05') we're still in the conference what do you think he can do at SDSU where he finally gets better quality recruits with just Boise as the elite program? Last year his defense willed us to bowl eligibility despite Toledo's offense doing everything it could to ensure we had a letdown of a season. If he can't get the job done here, very soon, he will be gone.
The AM fans who can't let it go and focus their energy on something more productive than trying to repeat the mistake UNM has already made are wasting their energy. If you really care about Aztec football so much donate some of your money or time.
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