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Post by sdcoug on Jul 28, 2015 9:30:43 GMT -8
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Jul 28, 2015 9:55:02 GMT -8
80%  That'll never happen |
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Post by droski on Jul 28, 2015 12:22:23 GMT -8
80% That'll never happen
sadly they seem serious about it. dumb dumb dumb
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Post by aztech on Jul 28, 2015 12:47:22 GMT -8
This is going to help all of the out of state Pac schools more than any of the G5 schools.
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Post by sdcoug on Jul 28, 2015 12:56:32 GMT -8
This is going to help all of the out of state Pac schools more than any of the G5 schools. Maybe, but it still helps us. Cal took a some fringe players who now may not be an option, and they are becoming a big player on the basketball front where we go head to head with them. In football the other conference teams can still only take 25 max, so the fringe guys that they took before will filter down.
If Cal is successful at pulling the 3.0+ players from other P12 schools then it's a non-issue. If not, then it definitely helps us.
If Ben Kone was a 2.8 student, for instance, and if they're pushing their limits w/ < 3.0 players (especially given 80% target) then that could have benefited us big time. Something like this, in both b-ball & f-ball, could definitely come into play in 2 years. Especially among kids who want to stay in Cali.
What isn't quite as clear is if this target is PER program, or across athletics? I was assuming per program, but if it's across athletics then women's sports can more can make up the slack & be more picky, allowing for a few more on the men's side.
Time will tell.
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Post by tonatiuh on Jul 28, 2015 13:12:55 GMT -8
The may do a little better academically, but they will never be as good as Stanford. It could hurt their program more than they think. We'll see.
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Post by McQuervo on Jul 28, 2015 14:14:12 GMT -8
that's CAL exclusively. UCLA well, they still have lower standards.........
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Post by sdcoug on Jul 28, 2015 14:18:54 GMT -8
The may do a little better academically, but they will never be as good as Stanford. It could hurt their program more than they think. We'll see. Curious, has there ever been a study on the % of students who had a 2.75-2.99 HS GPA vs. 3.00-3.25 GPA graduating college? I'm not convinced that a kid who has a 2.8 has any less potential in college than 1 with a 3.1?
It's interesting, but do agree with you that it'll hurt more than they think (if it applies equally to all sports).
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Post by fowl on Jul 28, 2015 18:51:37 GMT -8
The may do a little better academically, but they will never be as good as Stanford. It could hurt their program more than they think. We'll see. Curious, has there ever been a study on the % of students who had a 2.75-2.99 HS GPA vs. 3.00-3.25 GPA graduating college? I'm not convinced that a kid who has a 2.8 has any less potential in college than 1 with a 3.1?
It's interesting, but do agree with you that it'll hurt more than they think (if it applies equally to all sports).
Yes there is actually an equation derived from regression analysis that incorporates HS GPA and test scores as well as a few other variables to get a fairly accurate predictor of college GPA. Most schools know this and incorporate it into admissions. It has changed over the tears given grade inflation but remains fairly accurate. |
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Post by obboy13 on Jul 28, 2015 20:43:16 GMT -8
Read the article, and I think what the FB coach and MBB coach are really saying is thank god for the men's crew, water polo,tennis, cross country, golf, gymnastics, swimming and diving teams; and all the women's teams. With their help 80% of all athletes may not be so tough to reach.
Also the article said Jeff Tedford was fired because of graduation rates.....right that 15-22 record over his last three seasons had nothing to do with it.
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Post by sdcoug on Jul 28, 2015 21:42:24 GMT -8
Curious, has there ever been a study on the % of students who had a 2.75-2.99 HS GPA vs. 3.00-3.25 GPA graduating college? I'm not convinced that a kid who has a 2.8 has any less potential in college than 1 with a 3.1?
It's interesting, but do agree with you that it'll hurt more than they think (if it applies equally to all sports).
Yes there is actually an equation derived from regression analysis that incorporates HS GPA and test scores as well as a few other variables to get a fairly accurate predictor of college GPA. Most schools know this and incorporate it into admissions. It has changed over the tears given grade inflation but remains fairly accurate. I get using the combination of grades AND test scores, which is what NCAA clearinghouse uses via sliding scales. Just not convinced a kid with a 2.8 will do any worse than a kid with a 3.1 if they both have similar test scores. Cal is only using GPA. |
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Post by droski on Jul 29, 2015 6:59:08 GMT -8
Read the article, and I think what the FB coach and MBB coach are really saying is thank god for the men's crew, water polo,tennis, cross country, golf, gymnastics, swimming and diving teams; and all the women's teams. With their help 80% of all athletes may not be so tough to reach. Also the article said Jeff Tedford was fired because of graduation rates.....right that 15-22 record over his last three seasons had nothing to do with it. unfortunately it's sport by sport.
he was fired because he sucked on the field. sucking off the field just made it easier for the folks who still viewed him as some sort of savior.
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Post by droski on Jul 29, 2015 6:59:45 GMT -8
I get using the combination of grades AND test scores, which is what NCAA clearinghouse uses via sliding scales. Just not convinced a kid with a 2.8 will do any worse than a kid with a 3.1 if they both have similar test scores. Cal is only using GPA. I completely agree and have made the same argument. It's really really dumb. |
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Post by zurac315 on Jul 29, 2015 8:28:31 GMT -8
I wonder what the requirements at Stanford are? |
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Post by jalmonb on Jul 29, 2015 13:55:31 GMT -8
What really bothers me is the double standard by these UC schools and the Pac 12. I went to State, all three of my sons went and graduated from UC schools. All qualified academically to get into their respective schools, one earned a partial academic schollie (yes I was a proud Dad). None of them applied to Cal but probably would have been admitted had they applied.
One of the main arguments about letting a school like SDSU into the Pac 12 is the lower academics of the school. The argument makes no sense when we compare State's admission standards for the general student population compared to the "State" schools in the Pac 12.
Next, these new standards by "Cal" means that these players with a 3.0+ GPA still couldn't get into their own school on grades. In fact those new standards most probably would not have gotten the players accepted in the general student population at State.
My suggestion for leveling the playing field is to limit the admission across the board to a certain level based upon the 50% level of standards for the general student population of the school. That way those smug academic schools will have to put up with the recruits that are worthy of their smug school.
It still stinks. San Diego State has always been treated as the ugly step-sister on the West Coast.
GO AZTECS!!!! Beating Cal will be that more enjoyable.
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