What to do about ISIS?

[AztecWilliam]

As you will see in this linked article, at least some people contemplate "living with" the Islamic State should it prevail. Think about that. The Nazis (increment AzWm's counter by one, please) went to great lengths to hide their atrocities. ISIS, on the contrary, publicizes their atrocities as widely as possible. How could the civilized world decide to treat the Islamic State as a member of the family of (more or less) civilized countries? On the contrary, shouldn't we be thinking about where we will hold Nuremberg-style war crimes trials for the murderers of women, children, and prisoners of war?

www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-us-plays-whack-a-mole-with-the-islamic-state/2015/07/06/54723e8c-242c-11e5-b72c-2b7d516e1e0e_story.html

AzWm

[aztecwin]

We have no leadership or stomach for what it takes.

[thepapacy]

Gotta have a national boogeyman to spend our dollars on... Like the dog chasing a car though, would the conservative base even know what to do if we ever ended the boogeyman?

Or, alternatively, way to be a libertarian.

[AlwaysAnAztec]

Once again a writer, and commentators, criticize but don't have the balls to suggest a viable solution.

There was an article in the paper a while ago that talked about the problem of increased Islamic militancy in Saudi.  The reason given for so many Saudis to join ISIS was that they were fighting the apostate Shia.  This conflict between Islamic sects has been going on for more than a thousand years.  Sunnis are especially unwilling to coexist with other, non Sunnis.  This is only become worse since Mecca and Medina have been under Saudi, Wahhabi, control.  ISIS is Sunni and as long as they don't directly threaten the Sunni countries then nothing will happen.  To be honest, I've been surprised that Iran hasn't sent more troops and equipment into Iraq to support the Iraqi Shia population from ISIS.

Many Sunnis in the middle east are not happy with the U.S. right now because we are bombing ISIS.  They believe that we are siding with the Shia in the conflict.  This is a real touchy situation.  In my opinion, we should NEVER put boots on the ground other than some in a training capacity.  We should supply the Kurds with as much weaponry as Turkey can stand.  We should tell the Iraqis that they either start cooperating with each other or that they partition the country into Sunni and Shia.

NO BOOTS ON THE GROUND.  It is an Arab problem.  Let them handle it and if the Arab countries are comfortable with an ISIS 'Caliphate' then so be it.

[AztecWilliam]

Jul 8, 2015 8:22:12 GMT -8 AlwaysAnAztec said:

Once again a writer, and commentators, criticize but don't have the balls to suggest a viable solution.

There was an article in the paper a while ago that talked about the problem of increased Islamic militancy in Saudi.  The reason given for so many Saudis to join ISIS was that they were fighting the apostate Shia.  This conflict between Islamic sects has been going on for more than a thousand years.  Sunnis are especially unwilling to coexist with other, non Sunnis.  This is only become worse since Mecca and Medina have been under Saudi, Wahhabi, control.  ISIS is Sunni and as long as they don't directly threaten the Sunni countries then nothing will happen.  To be honest, I've been surprised that Iran hasn't sent more troops and equipment into Iraq to support the Iraqi Shia population from ISIS.

Many Sunnis in the middle east are not happy with the U.S. right now because we are bombing ISIS.  They believe that we are siding with the Shia in the conflict.  This is a real touchy situation.  In my opinion, we should NEVER put boots on the ground other than some in a training capacity.  We should supply the Kurds with as much weaponry as Turkey can stand.  We should tell the Iraqis that they either start cooperating with each other or that they partition the country into Sunni and Shia.

NO BOOTS ON THE GROUND.  It is an Arab problem.  Let them handle it and if the Arab countries are comfortable with an ISIS 'Caliphate' then so be it.

You spoke too soon. Iran is close to being all in with respect to the Iraqi/Isis situation, including sending in soldiers. And, of course, Vladimir's jets have started to act as the Iraqi/Iranian air force. The whole Middle East is a total mess. Sure, plenty of Americans say we should stay out. Perhaps they are correct. I hope so, since it appears that we have very close to no influence on the situation whatsoever.

What I wonder is this; how long will the Sunni countries stay on the sidelines and allow Iran to pursue its policy of Middle East hegemony? For that matter, Shia though most of them may be, Iraqis are still Arabs. The animosity between them and Persian Iran goes back millenia. Are they forever going to play Poland to Iran's Soviet Union?

AzWm

[AlwaysAnAztec]

Sorry AW.  You've got it backwards.  The Shia have been underlings to the Sunni for over a thousand years.  Most radical Islam is Sunni not Shia.  The 9/11 bombers were Saudi Sunni.  The Shia are being wiped out in many if not most Sunni dominated countries, i.e. Yemen.  I believe if the Iranians could get rid of the clerics that run Iran, that country would very quickly become a pro-western one again.

[AztecWilliam]

Oct 5, 2015 8:47:58 GMT -8 AlwaysAnAztec said:

Sorry AW.  You've got it backwards.  The Shia have been underlings to the Sunni for over a thousand years.  Most radical Islam is Sunni not Shia.  The 9/11 bombers were Saudi Sunni.  The Shia are being wiped out in many if not most Sunni dominated countries, i.e. Yemen.  I believe if the Iranians could get rid of the clerics that run Iran, that country would very quickly become a pro-western one again.

Well, I suppose that if the people of North Korea could get rid of the Kim family and its minions, that country would rather quickly start emulating the success of their South Korean brethren. The problem is, the Kim have been murdering and starving people for 65 years with NO sign of a popular uprising. So, yes, eventually N. Korea may see a revolution, but I'm not holding my breath. Same for Iran.

It's remarkable how long a regime can last if it has no problem killing thousands (or in some historical examples, millions) of its own people.

AzWm

[sdsu2000]

We had our shot at stopping ISIS but that was a long time ago. Now it's on the people in the area to stand up and fight which in reality there's no hope of happening. My only concerns are with their continued growth how many nut heads in the US plot out attacks here and does Putin see an opportunity to use ISIS against the US.

[North County Aztec]

If we are going to deal with ISIS we also must deal with the Saudis

[thepapacy]

Oct 27, 2015 16:40:32 GMT -8 North County Aztec said:

If we are going to deal with ISIS we also must deal with the Saudis

Fck the Saudis. They're probably the only ones in the ME we should actually be at war with.

[AztecWilliam]

Oct 27, 2015 18:37:30 GMT -8 thepapacy said:

Oct 27, 2015 16:40:32 GMT -8 North County Aztec said:

If we are going to deal with ISIS we also must deal with the Saudis

Fck the Saudis. They're probably the only ones in the ME we should actually be at war with.

The Saudis are hardly what I would call our best buddies. They may not be our worst enemies (think of Iran), but they are duplicitous to say the least. The ME is such a mess that I don't know just what we should do. I know what I would like to do to Saudi Arabia, but it's so unpleasant that I doubt it would be a good idea to post it here.

AzWm

[azson]

OK, I'm now on board that something NEEDS to be done about ISIS:

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