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Post by chris92065 on Jun 19, 2015 20:37:28 GMT -8
nah...ab. MD, hnt, and hoobs are the main culprits who want the chargers gone. Sorry to say this but the chargers have no bearing on the aztecs popularity. The aztec are control of their own destiny. Who they play and they beat will help decide the aztecs fate. And lastly, the p5 will ultimately decide who stays d1 and who doesnt. Right now it doesnt look good for the home team. Paint me however you want but I really don't care if the Chargers leave SD or not. I *do* care very much about the Chargers leaving Mission Valley, however, due to the opportunity that would create for SDSU (as a university, I'm not even talking about football). I'd even settle for the Chargers building themselves a stadium on half the land of the Q site as long as SDSU got the other half. If the Chargers wanted to build their own stadium, relying on minimal public funds, then terrific... win/win for everyone. But I think this game from Spanos et al. all along has been about creating conditions to facilitate moving the team to LA. Developments this past week merely reinforce my assessment of their thinly-veiled intentions. And, please note, that no where in this assessment do I predicate my motives to be about what would or would not be best for Aztec football. For me, my first second and third priority is the university as an institution. An institution that, by the way, matters a whole lot more to the City & County of San Diego than an NFL team. I agree on both fronts. Downtown would be best and the Chargers do want to leave. But I don't think at the end of the day the NFL will let the Chargers leave.
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Post by retiredaztec on Jun 19, 2015 21:22:58 GMT -8
Have your say Aztecs fan. Do you want the Chargers to stay? As an Aztecs fan, I want the Chargers to leave so that the Aztecs will be the main football attraction in San Diego. There are not to many top 25 football programs that share a stadium with a pro football team. Or the Chargers will leave and the vast majority of San Diegans will continue to be indifferent to Aztec football. The more I thought about it, the idea of hundreds of millions of dollars changing hands to accommodate two minor league entities that are about as exciting as watching grass grow, (Aztec football and soccer), is preposterous. But yet, not impossible. As my daddy warned me years and years ago, "boy you're going to find the world is full of stupid people". And I see it every day. It's like I'm reading the notes of 12 years olds, "I want the Chargers to leave so that the Aztecs will be the main football attraction in San Diego"..really. "There are not to many top 25 football programs that share a stadium with a pro football team". Actually the Aztecs shared the stadium with the Chargers when they were a top 20 program. And I know there's some on this board that believe a new stadium for SDSU football will generate success on the field. That's like saying, if I wear AXE, I'll get chicks. You people are more than willing to see all this fantasy materialize on someone else's dime. How much would YOU contribute for a new stadium. This is the same University that every year asks me to pony up for some graduate's cap and gowns. This is the same University that, periodically, asks me to pony up part of my estate to my Alma Mater when I take the big vacation. This is the same University that will periodically remind me what my obligation should be to my Alma Mater. And now this same University is going to be bestowed all this good fortune because they are such as integral part of the city's DNA. No, Sea World is, the San Diego Zoo is. They generate income for the city. So kids, assume nothing when/if the Chargers leave. Just hope and pray there are that many stupid in San Diego to let all your fantasies come true.
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Post by HighNTight on Jun 19, 2015 21:39:58 GMT -8
nah...ab. MD, hnt, and hoobs are the main culprits who want the chargers gone. Sorry to say this but the chargers have no bearing on the aztecs popularity. The aztec are control of their own destiny. Who they play and they beat will help decide the aztecs fate. And lastly, the p5 will ultimately decide who stays d1 and who doesnt. Right now it doesnt look good for the home team. I don't know that I actually want the Chargers gone ... I wouldn't mind if they paid for a majority (75%) of a stadium in El Cajon, Chula Vista, Oceanside or Downtown as they had proposed doing over the years. I would like it if the Chargers team that I grew up a fan of, treated this city in a decent and honest way rather than ... demanding a ticket guarantee to play in a larger stadium that was expanded because they demanded it ... then agreeing to drop the ticket guarantee for an ADA credit for seats the city was paying for -- with the ticket guarantee and demanding a lease modification that prevents the City from fighting relocation. I wish the Chargers didn't complain about an unfair financial position as a reason for a new stadium for which they couldn't contribute to financially ... while being paid by the City to play at the Q instead of paying rent themselves and playing in a league that caps salaries to maintain a level playing field. I wish that the Chargers had put half the effort into a San Diego solution that they have put into Carson. Where was the monetary investments, signature campaigns and community outreach to help form an equitable solution in San Diego ... not asking the City to sign over the Q site to them and not charge taxes on the resale when developed. No, I don't really want the Chargers gone ... I just know how to recognize when somethings over and I'm not one to tolerate being abused verbally or financially by this team that I grew up with. My advocating for SDSU expansion and the Annex of the Qualcomm site has more to do with the economics of the situation for the City, County, State and University first and foremost, and as an athletic department 2nd or 3rd. The expansion of campus is about more than football.
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Post by chris92065 on Jun 19, 2015 22:13:51 GMT -8
nah...ab. MD, hnt, and hoobs are the main culprits who want the chargers gone. Sorry to say this but the chargers have no bearing on the aztecs popularity. The aztec are control of their own destiny. Who they play and they beat will help decide the aztecs fate. And lastly, the p5 will ultimately decide who stays d1 and who doesnt. Right now it doesnt look good for the home team. I don't know that I actually want the Chargers gone ... I wouldn't mind if they paid for a majority (75%) of a stadium in El Cajon, Chula Vista, Oceanside or Downtown as they had proposed doing over the years. I would like it if the Chargers team that I grew up a fan of, treated this city in a decent and honest way rather than ... demanding a ticket guarantee to play in a larger stadium that was expanded because they demanded it ... then agreeing to drop the ticket guarantee for an ADA credit for seats the city was paying for -- with the ticket guarantee and demanding a lease modification that prevents the City from fighting relocation. I wish the Chargers didn't complain about an unfair financial position as a reason for a new stadium for which they couldn't contribute to financially ... while being paid by the City to play at the Q instead of paying rent themselves and playing in a league that caps salaries to maintain a level playing field. I wish that the Chargers had put half the effort into a San Diego solution that they have put into Carson. Where was the monetary investments, signature campaigns and community outreach to help form an equitable solution in San Diego ... not asking the City to sign over the Q site to them and not charge taxes on the resale when developed. No, I don't really want the Chargers gone ... I just know how to recognize when somethings over and I'm not one to tolerate being abused verbally or financially by this team that I grew up with. My advocating for SDSU expansion and the Annex of the Qualcomm site has more to do with the economics of the situation for the City, County, State and University first and foremost, and as an athletic department 2nd or 3rd. The expansion of campus is about more than football. fair enough. whether the chargers leave or stay, my dream is for sdsu to become a p5 member. my bonerific dream is for my son who is 12 to play in a new stadium (whether with or without chargers) for sdsu as a p5 member. I dream high.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Jun 20, 2015 9:19:02 GMT -8
Have your say Aztecs fan. Do you want the Chargers to stay? As an Aztecs fan, I want the Chargers to leave so that the Aztecs will be the main football attraction in San Diego. There are not to many top 25 football programs that share a stadium with a pro football team. Or the Chargers will leave and the vast majority of San Diegans will continue to be indifferent to Aztec football. The more I thought about it, the idea of hundreds of millions of dollars changing hands to accommodate two minor league entities that are about as exciting as watching grass grow, (Aztec football and soccer), is preposterous. But yet, not impossible. As my daddy warned me years and years ago, "boy you're going to find the world is full of stupid people". And I see it every day. It's like I'm reading the notes of 12 years olds, "I want the Chargers to leave so that the Aztecs will be the main football attraction in San Diego"..really. "There are not to many top 25 football programs that share a stadium with a pro football team". Actually the Aztecs shared the stadium with the Chargers when they were a top 20 program. And I know there's some on this board that believe a new stadium for SDSU football will generate success on the field. That's like saying, if I wear AXE, I'll get chicks. You people are more than willing to see all this fantasy materialize on someone else's dime. How much would YOU contribute for a new stadium. This is the same University that every year asks me to pony up for some graduate's cap and gowns. This is the same University that, periodically, asks me to pony up part of my estate to my Alma Mater when I take the big vacation. This is the same University that will periodically remind me what my obligation should be to my Alma Mater. And now this same University is going to be bestowed all this good fortune because they are such as integral part of the city's DNA. No, Sea World is, the San Diego Zoo is. They generate income for the city. So kids, assume nothing when/if the Chargers leave. Just hope and pray there are that many stupid in San Diego to let all your fantasies come true. Yawn.
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Post by ab on Jun 20, 2015 9:19:27 GMT -8
Yes, I would much rather they blow it on the city employee pension fund. LOL. Let's face it, the problem with the city funding and budget deficit situation is due to the poor and corrupt leadership of the city government. If it weren't for them creating the huge deficit then this Charger stadium issue would have been addressed years ago. BTW the re-development of downtown San Diego was due to the Padres building their new stadium downtown and has been a very good thing for the city. However, people focus on the team's lack of success and think the fans were sold a bill of goods as indicated in a prior post blaming the Padres for the current Charger situation and lack of public support. That is why I would have preferred the downtown stadium with the convention center. This city has no vision. We lost the NBA, almost lost MLB, may lose the NFL, and are probably going to lose Comic Con and several other big conventions due to their inability to build a new convention center. I dont disagree with any of that. I just have a hard time justifying giving Spanos tax money to build a stadium for his private team that he'll also profit hugely from the public. So he wants the public to fund it, and to buy the tickets Check out all the government subsidies that are "given" to corporations all over the place. Check out what Boeing has received. Add Nike, Adidas and many other named "successful" corporations. Look at what New York and Texas are giving corporations to move to their States. Why are they doing it? Because they "get it". They see the big picture and the OVERALL benefit to having those corporations be successful in their locales. Don't you think Torrance is going to miss Toyota since their moving thousands of jobs to Texas? Sometimes for the overall good, everybody must pay. I've paid plenty of tax dollars in San Diego for things I don't use. (see downtown library, convention center etc..) It's just what World Class Cities do.
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Post by ab on Jun 20, 2015 9:20:56 GMT -8
nah...ab. MD, hnt, and hoobs are the main culprits who want the chargers gone. Sorry to say this but the chargers have no bearing on the aztecs popularity. The aztec are control of their own destiny. Who they play and they beat will help decide the aztecs fate. And lastly, the p5 will ultimately decide who stays d1 and who doesnt. Right now it doesnt look good for the home team. Paint me however you want but I really don't care if the Chargers leave SD or not. I *do* care very much about the Chargers leaving Mission Valley, however, due to the opportunity that would create for SDSU (as a university, I'm not even talking about football). I'd even settle for the Chargers building themselves a stadium on half the land of the Q site as long as SDSU got the other half. If the Chargers wanted to build their own stadium, relying on minimal public funds, then terrific... win/win for everyone. But I think this game from Spanos et al. all along has been about creating conditions to facilitate moving the team to LA. Developments this past week merely reinforce my assessment of their thinly-veiled intentions. And, please note, that no where in this assessment do I predicate my motives to be about what would or would not be best for Aztec football. For me, my first second and third priority is the university as an institution. An institution that, by the way, matters a whole lot more to the City & County of San Diego than an NFL team. Hoobs - This is basically what you told me in private and I get it. Thanks for sharing it with everybody else so they might get where you are coming from.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Jun 20, 2015 9:32:01 GMT -8
I still have mixed feelings about the Chargers leaving SD. FWIW, I voted for them to go in the poll mainly because of how despicably the Spanoi have handled the stadium situation. If I was a Chargers fan and still lived in SD, I would be inclined to help organize demonstrations demanding that they sell the team and return to beautiful downtown Stockton.
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Post by pbnative on Jun 20, 2015 9:33:42 GMT -8
I dont disagree with any of that. I just have a hard time justifying giving Spanos tax money to build a stadium for his private team that he'll also profit hugely from the public. So he wants the public to fund it, and to buy the tickets Check out all the government subsidies that are "given" to corporations all over the place. Check out what Boeing has received. Add Nike, Adidas and many other named "successful" corporations. Look at what New York and Texas are giving corporations to move to their States. Why are they doing it? Because they "get it". They see the big picture and the OVERALL benefit to having those corporations be successful in their locales. Don't you think Torrance is going to miss Toyota since their moving thousands of jobs to Texas? Sometimes for the overall good, everybody must pay. I've paid plenty of tax dollars in San Diego for things I don't use. (see downtown library, convention center etc..) It's just what World Class Cities do. LMFAO!!! Economic impact of SUCCESSFUL corporations with highly skilled, highly educated, and highly paid workers to a City and County is in the BILLIONS Economic impact of the Chargers popcorn pushers and hot dog stuffers is Zero if not a Negative.
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Post by ab on Jun 20, 2015 9:36:16 GMT -8
Check out all the government subsidies that are "given" to corporations all over the place. Check out what Boeing has received. Add Nike, Adidas and many other named "successful" corporations. Look at what New York and Texas are giving corporations to move to their States. Why are they doing it? Because they "get it". They see the big picture and the OVERALL benefit to having those corporations be successful in their locales. Don't you think Torrance is going to miss Toyota since their moving thousands of jobs to Texas? Sometimes for the overall good, everybody must pay. I've paid plenty of tax dollars in San Diego for things I don't use. (see downtown library, convention center etc..) It's just what World Class Cities do. LMFAO!!! Economic impact of SUCCESSFUL corporations with highly skilled, highly educated, and highly paid workers to a City and County is in the BILLIONS Economic impact of the Chargers popcorn pushers and hot dog stuffers is Zero if not a Negative. That's your short-sighted opinion. Besides it's not just a Chargers stadium, it's for the Poinsettia Bowl and Holiday Bowls, which bring in $38 Million/year in economic impact. So maybe instead of typing nothing on here you do some homework. Small minds move nothing.
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Post by ab on Jun 20, 2015 9:41:28 GMT -8
I still have mixed feelings about the Chargers leaving SD. FWIW, I voted for them to go in the poll mainly because of how despicably the Spanoi have handled the stadium situation. If I was a Chargers fan and still lived in SD, I would be inclined to help organize demonstrations demanding that they sell the team and return to beautiful downtown Stockton. I too wish they'd sell the team to someone with more $$ who wants to keep the team in San Diego but that's apparently not going to happen. Dean was interviewed recently and he said selling the team has never been an option. He's just promoted his two sons to higher ranking jobs. As he said he's got more family members who want to work in the organization (oh crap). My first thought to this was it's just a hobby to them. Either way, I'd prefer they stay, win lose or draw. Just a thought, he moves the team, the Raiders come to San Diego, trade ALL branding, uniforms, name, logos etc... and we move on. Spanos has the Raiders in LA, and someone hopefully besides Davis has the Chargers in San Diego.
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Post by pbnative on Jun 20, 2015 9:54:05 GMT -8
LMFAO!!! Economic impact of SUCCESSFUL corporations with highly skilled, highly educated, and highly paid workers to a City and County is in the BILLIONS Economic impact of the Chargers popcorn pushers and hot dog stuffers is Zero if not a Negative. That's your short-sighted opinion. Besides it's not just a Chargers stadium, it's for the Poinsettia Bowl and Holiday Bowls, which bring in $38 Million/year in economic impact. So maybe instead of typing nothing on here you do some homework. Small minds move nothing. You're such a blow hard. Grrrrrrrr Losing the Chargers has no bearing on the Bowl games. Most likely they lose neither, beacuse fans will come to SD at Christmas regardless of an NFL stadium or not. Since you seems so into doing homework, here is a report done for the City of SD. www.sandiego.gov/chargersissues/pdf/baimcomments.pdfHere is one for a successful corporation Qualcommn. www.sandiegobusiness.org/sites/default/files/011113-TelecomReport.pdfRead up and report back.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Jun 20, 2015 10:08:58 GMT -8
I still have mixed feelings about the Chargers leaving SD. FWIW, I voted for them to go in the poll mainly because of how despicably the Spanoi have handled the stadium situation. If I was a Chargers fan and still lived in SD, I would be inclined to help organize demonstrations demanding that they sell the team and return to beautiful downtown Stockton. I too wish they'd sell the team to someone with more $$ who wants to keep the team in San Diego but that's apparently not going to happen. Dean was interviewed recently and he said selling the team has never been an option. He's just promoted his two sons to higher ranking jobs. As he said he's got more family members who want to work in the organization (oh crap). My first thought to this was it's just a hobby to them. Either way, I'd prefer they stay, win lose or draw. Just a thought, he moves the team, the Raiders come to San Diego, trade ALL branding, uniforms, name, logos etc... and we move on. Spanos has the Raiders in LA, and someone hopefully besides Davis has the Chargers in San Diego. When Carroll Rosenbloom owned the Colts, he basically traded franchises with whoever then owned the Rams so I guess it could happen, particularly since Mark Davis seems so impoverished that he can't even pay market rate for a head coach and GM. However, Spanos' failure to ever speak for himself is evidence to me of how out of touch the guy is so I don't see him as somebody at all capable of thinking outside the box.
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Post by junior on Jun 20, 2015 10:41:37 GMT -8
Get rid of the re-Chargers, knock down Qualcomm, build a MLS worthy stadium and woo a soocer team to town. I hate soccer, btw… but there are hundreds of thousands of kids and their parents who don't.
Whatever it takes to send the Spanos clan and their lackey, Fabiani, packing is fine with me.
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Post by ab on Jun 21, 2015 13:33:05 GMT -8
That's your short-sighted opinion. Besides it's not just a Chargers stadium, it's for the Poinsettia Bowl and Holiday Bowls, which bring in $38 Million/year in economic impact. So maybe instead of typing nothing on here you do some homework. Small minds move nothing. You're such a blow hard. Grrrrrrrr Losing the Chargers has no bearing on the Bowl games. Most likely they lose neither, beacuse fans will come to SD at Christmas regardless of an NFL stadium or not. Since you seems so into doing homework, here is a report done for the City of SD. www.sandiego.gov/chargersissues/pdf/baimcomments.pdfHere is one for a successful corporation Qualcommn. www.sandiegobusiness.org/sites/default/files/011113-TelecomReport.pdfRead up and report back. and you have a point posting a link to Qualcomm? Dude, you're lost in space. look at the Holiday Bowl's attendance. If they only can play in a 35-40k seat stadium then there's no way television will provide as much revenue. There's also no way that Bowl would stay as a Tier 2 Bowl game. It would become another MGC Bowl vs MAC game. Economic impact goes down and voila. I know I'd have to spell it out for someone of your minimal brains. KMA while you're at it.
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Post by HighNTight on Jun 21, 2015 13:44:57 GMT -8
and you have a point posting a link to Qualcomm? Dude, you're lost in space. look at the Holiday Bowl's attendance. If they only can play in a 35-40k seat stadium then there's no way television will provide as much revenue. There's also no way that Bowl would stay as a Tier 2 Bowl game. It would become another MGC Bowl vs MAC game. Economic impact goes down and voila. I know I'd have to spell it out for someone of your minimal brains. KMA while you're at it. Hmm ... a 40K capacity at&t park in San Francisco didn't stop Kraft from partnering for a Bowl Game. I don't think networks and national sponsors really care about the capacity of the bowl as much as they do the match-ups and national appeal. In fact, a smaller stadium would drive ticket prices and that would make the sponsors quite happy, a full stadium on TV would make the networks happy. I don't think your argument is as solid as you pretend it is.
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Post by ab on Jun 21, 2015 13:45:54 GMT -8
Check out all the government subsidies that are "given" to corporations all over the place. Check out what Boeing has received. Add Nike, Adidas and many other named "successful" corporations. Look at what New York and Texas are giving corporations to move to their States. Why are they doing it? Because they "get it". They see the big picture and the OVERALL benefit to having those corporations be successful in their locales. Don't you think Torrance is going to miss Toyota since their moving thousands of jobs to Texas? Sometimes for the overall good, everybody must pay. I've paid plenty of tax dollars in San Diego for things I don't use. (see downtown library, convention center etc..) It's just what World Class Cities do. LMFAO!!! Economic impact of SUCCESSFUL corporations with highly skilled, highly educated, and highly paid workers to a City and County is in the BILLIONS Economic impact of the Chargers popcorn pushers and hot dog stuffers is Zero if not a Negative. and Government subsidies given to Nike are in the Billions. Look it up if you can figure out how to.
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Post by hoobs on Jun 21, 2015 14:00:38 GMT -8
LMFAO!!! Economic impact of SUCCESSFUL corporations with highly skilled, highly educated, and highly paid workers to a City and County is in the BILLIONS Economic impact of the Chargers popcorn pushers and hot dog stuffers is Zero if not a Negative. and Government subsidies given to Nike are in the Billions. Look it up if you can figure out how to. Care to compare the impact to the local/state economy of Nike vs the Chargers?
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Jun 21, 2015 14:51:37 GMT -8
That's your short-sighted opinion. Besides it's not just a Chargers stadium, it's for the Poinsettia Bowl and Holiday Bowls, which bring in $38 Million/year in economic impact. So maybe instead of typing nothing on here you do some homework. Small minds move nothing. You're such a blow hard. Grrrrrrrr Losing the Chargers has no bearing on the Bowl games. Most likely they lose neither, beacuse fans will come to SD at Christmas regardless of an NFL stadium or not. Since you seems so into doing homework, here is a report done for the City of SD. www.sandiego.gov/chargersissues/pdf/baimcomments.pdfHere is one for a successful corporation Qualcommn. www.sandiegobusiness.org/sites/default/files/011113-TelecomReport.pdfRead up and report back. Nice article; some key points... "Relevant to the task force’s duty is the fact that San Diego is a large city, and as such the Chargers would not have any statistically significant impact on non-agricultural employment and a negative impact on service sector employment."Since it is clear that the Chargers are not an economic engine in San Diego, it is not justifiable to increase or institute broad based taxes, such as a sales tax increase, to lessen the Chargers financial burden, or to provide them with a new or renovated stadium. It should be remembered that since the direct beneficiaries of these tax are franchise owners and players, and perhaps fans (if they are able to see a game instead of not seeing a game if the team relocates in another city), any broad based tax used for a subsidy will be regressive in nature. Similarly, a tax on visitors who are not attending a Chargers’ game (a general hotel tax or car rental tax) could be counter productive by forcing those who are visiting San Diego to see Sea World or the Animal Park to pay for the construction of a stadium. This might in the long run reduce the number of tourists, thus reducing the income, and employment, generated from those who visit San Diego and bring in “outside money”. Finally, I would suggest the city or county does not get into a bidding war for the Chargers. After the relevant body has determined the value of the franchise to the community (whatever that value is) I would suggest that the concessions that the city are willing to make be announced publicly (and honestly), and the Chargers be made aware that this is the best offer the city can make. After some period for examination, explanation, and discussions on the margin, if the deal is not acceptable to the Chargers, then they will be free to go with the city’s blessing[/b]. This will avoid a hold-up situation where the city is bidding against other cities."
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Post by pbnative on Jun 21, 2015 19:03:31 GMT -8
and you have a point posting a link to Qualcomm? Dude, you're lost in space. look at the Holiday Bowl's attendance. If they only can play in a 35-40k seat stadium then there's no way television will provide as much revenue. There's also no way that Bowl would stay as a Tier 2 Bowl game. It would become another MGC Bowl vs MAC game. Economic impact goes down and voila. I know I'd have to spell it out for someone of your minimal brains. KMA while you're at it. Thanks for the PM ab. I don't think that would be physically possible for me to do as you suggest, but I was hoping for a more intelligent response from an SDSU grad. I had an awesome day at the beach today. Hit Open Bar and rode the board walk with friends, so really doesn't bother me what you think, and if I am going to kiss anyones A**, it would definitely be the hot blond bartender and definitely not yours. As for the link to Qualcomm? Nope, it was a study that was done concerning San Diego's largest Corp. You were comparing subsidies for Corporations vs the corporation known as the Chargers. Well Qualcomm is San Diego's equivalent to the Corps you stated to their local municipalities (Boeing, Nike etc...). I'm guessing you didn't bother to read either, but chose to use your brain power to come up with that sophisticated 1 liner PM. Bravo
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