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Post by Boise Aztec on Jul 16, 2015 10:39:11 GMT -8
2014 = 10-2 2015 = 13-0 They realize we have a great defense. We have a great running game. And they rightfully assume that Smith beating out Jake, doesn't necessarily mean that Jake got worse. Oh, and we have new play-callers. But we also still have Rocky Long, aka Mr. 7-9. Would you want a BB coach with this record... 2000-01 14–14 2001–02 21–12 2002–03 16–14 2003–04 14–16 2004–05 11–18
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Post by Boise Aztec on Jul 16, 2015 10:41:50 GMT -8
But we also still have Rocky Long, aka Mr. 7-9. Would you want a BB coach with this record... 2000-01 14–14 2001–02 21–12 2002–03 16–14 2003–04 14–16 2004–05 11–18 And now the rest of the story... 2005–06 San Diego State 24–9 13–3 1st NCAA First Round 2006–07 San Diego State 22–11 10–6 T–3rd NIT Second Round 2007–08 San Diego State 20–13 9–7 4th NIT First Round 2008–09 San Diego State 26–10 11–5 4th NIT Semifinals 2009–10 San Diego State 25–9 11–5 T–3rd NCAA First Round 2010–11 San Diego State 34–3 14–2 T–1st NCAA Sweet 16 2011–12 San Diego State 26–8 10–4 T–1st NCAA Second Round 2012–13 San Diego State 23–11 9–7 4th NCAA Third Round 2013–14 San Diego State 31–5 16–2 1st NCAA Sweet 16 2014–15 San Diego State 27–9 14–4 T–1st. NCAA Third Round
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Post by sdcoug on Jul 16, 2015 10:53:50 GMT -8
Would you want a BB coach with this record... 2000-01 14–14 2001–02 21–12 2002–03 16–14 2003–04 14–16 2004–05 11–18 And now the rest of the story... 2005–06 San Diego State 24–9 13–3 1st NCAA First Round 2006–07 San Diego State 22–11 10–6 T–3rd NIT Second Round 2007–08 San Diego State 20–13 9–7 4th NIT First Round 2008–09 San Diego State 26–10 11–5 4th NIT Semifinals 2009–10 San Diego State 25–9 11–5 T–3rd NCAA First Round 2010–11 San Diego State 34–3 14–2 T–1st NCAA Sweet 16 2011–12 San Diego State 26–8 10–4 T–1st NCAA Second Round 2012–13 San Diego State 23–11 9–7 4th NCAA Third Round 2013–14 San Diego State 31–5 16–2 1st NCAA Sweet 16 2014–15 San Diego State 27–9 14–4 T–1st. NCAA Third Round So you've just proven the initial years don't necessarily define the future, thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2015 11:10:23 GMT -8
And now the rest of the story... 2005–06 San Diego State 24–9 13–3 1st NCAA First Round 2006–07 San Diego State 22–11 10–6 T–3rd NIT Second Round 2007–08 San Diego State 20–13 9–7 4th NIT First Round 2008–09 San Diego State 26–10 11–5 4th NIT Semifinals 2009–10 San Diego State 25–9 11–5 T–3rd NCAA First Round 2010–11 San Diego State 34–3 14–2 T–1st NCAA Sweet 16 2011–12 San Diego State 26–8 10–4 T–1st NCAA Second Round 2012–13 San Diego State 23–11 9–7 4th NCAA Third Round 2013–14 San Diego State 31–5 16–2 1st NCAA Sweet 16 2014–15 San Diego State 27–9 14–4 T–1st. NCAA Third Round So you've just proven the initial years don't necessarily define the future, thanks. It demonstrates that it takes awhile to build a winning culture from a scrap heap and that not until a major breakthrough (10-11) does the "program" effectively become self sustaining (success begetting more success through increased recognition and improved recruiting).
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Jul 16, 2015 11:10:45 GMT -8
But we also still have Rocky Long, aka Mr. 7-9. Would you want a BB coach with this record... 2000-01 14–14 2001–02 21–12 2002–03 16–14 2003–04 14–16 2004–05 11–18 Under the circumstances, that 21-12 season was a miracle as we not only won the conference tournament, that was our first victory in the conference tourney quarter-finals in 16 years. It made a believer of me which I continued to be even through the 11-18 year. Other than winning at Boise, Rocky Long hasn't accomplished anything remotely close and even then, it's a heckuva lot more difficult to pull off three consecutive upsets of higher ranked teams than it is to do so just once.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2015 11:16:10 GMT -8
Would you want a BB coach with this record... 2000-01 14–14 2001–02 21–12 2002–03 16–14 2003–04 14–16 2004–05 11–18 Under the circumstances, that 21-12 season was a miracle as we not only won the conference tournament, that was our first victory in the conference tourney quarter-finals in 16 years. It made a believer of me which I continued to be even through the 11-18 year. Other than winning at Boise, Rocky Long hasn't accomplished anything remotely close and even then, it's a heckuva lot more difficult to pull off three consecutive upsets of higher ranked teams than it is to do so just once. So you're telling me the 2012 FB season didn't make you feel pretty optimistic about the future? Maybe along the lines of the men's 01-02 BB season? I think those seasons are similar.
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Post by sdcoug on Jul 16, 2015 11:24:11 GMT -8
Under the circumstances, that 21-12 season was a miracle as we not only won the conference tournament, that was our first victory in the conference tourney quarter-finals in 16 years. It made a believer of me which I continued to be even through the 11-18 year. Other than winning at Boise, Rocky Long hasn't accomplished anything remotely close and even then, it's a heckuva lot more difficult to pull off three consecutive upsets of higher ranked teams than it is to do so just once. So you're telling me the 2012 FB season didn't make you feel pretty optimistic about the future? Maybe along the lines of the men's 01-02 BB season? I think those seasons are similar. I think what it says is people who don't like Rocky are not going to like anything he does, no matter how successful. Opinions have been formed & won't change.
I do find it funny when people say "other than beating Boise on the road....", as if that's not an accomplishment, nor is 9 wins.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Jul 16, 2015 12:03:20 GMT -8
Under the circumstances, that 21-12 season was a miracle as we not only won the conference tournament, that was our first victory in the conference tourney quarter-finals in 16 years. It made a believer of me which I continued to be even through the 11-18 year. Other than winning at Boise, Rocky Long hasn't accomplished anything remotely close and even then, it's a heckuva lot more difficult to pull off three consecutive upsets of higher ranked teams than it is to do so just once. So you're telling me the 2012 FB season didn't make you feel pretty optimistic about the future? Maybe along the lines of the men's 01-02 BB season? I think those seasons are similar. No, it didn't. I've already conceded that the victory at Boise was impressive. However, we otherwise beat an FCS opponent plus FBS teams with a composite record of 26-48. That sure didn't inspire any optimism in me. Further, our miserable performance against a mediocre BYU team on our home field in that year's bowl game inspired considerable pessimism. Maybe you weren't in attendance or folks around you responded differently but I sure heard a considerable amount of complaints from Aztecs sitting near me. And speaking of bowl games, Rocky's 2-7 lifetime record is one of the worst of FBS HCs who have coached in at least five. One hopes the bowl game we play in this year will be important enough to him that we won't lay our usual egg and thereby finish the season on a sour note once again. Sorry for the digression. Couldn't help myself as that's one of my pet peeves about the man.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Jul 16, 2015 12:04:21 GMT -8
So you're telling me the 2012 FB season didn't make you feel pretty optimistic about the future? Maybe along the lines of the men's 01-02 BB season? I think those seasons are similar. I think what it says is people who don't like Rocky are not going to like anything he does, no matter how successful. Opinions have been formed & won't change.
I do find it funny when people say "other than beating Boise on the road....", as if that's not an accomplishment, nor is 9 wins.
Word comprehension problems much?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2015 12:18:31 GMT -8
So you're telling me the 2012 FB season didn't make you feel pretty optimistic about the future? Maybe along the lines of the men's 01-02 BB season? I think those seasons are similar. No, it didn't. I've already conceded that the victory at Boise was impressive. However, we otherwise beat an FCS opponent plus FBS teams with a composite record of 26-48. That sure didn't inspire any optimism in me. Further, our miserable performance against a mediocre BYU team on our home field in that year's bowl game inspired considerable pessimism. Maybe you weren't in attendance or folks around you responded differently but I sure heard a considerable amount of complaints from Aztecs sitting near me. And speaking of bowl games, Rocky's 2-7 lifetime record is one of the worst of FBS HCs who have coached in at least five. One hopes the bowl game we play in this year will be important enough to him that we won't lay our usual egg and thereby finish the season on a sour note once again. Sorry for the digression. Couldn't help myself as that's one of my pet peeves about the man. BYU had the #1 total Defense in the country in 2012 and did not play a mediocre schedule. 4 of their loses were to ranked opponents, losing to #5 ND that season by 3 points and Boise by 1. If you can't see the similarity to the 2012 FB season and the 2001-02 BB season then I don't know what to say. I would say both seasons were unexpected, especially the conference championships. Both ended with disappointing post season finishes and followed by some disappointing seasons immediately after. But both seasons correlated to increased success in recruiting, which is really where you build a program. Maybe in another few seasons you will feel differently about 2012??? And yes I was at the 2012 Poinsettia and every home game that season. Of course no one was happy, we were playing BYU (no one wanted), and their defense and kicking game was smothering us.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Jul 16, 2015 12:31:26 GMT -8
The 2001-02 hoops season did NOT end with a disappointing post-season finish. We were just a 13 seed and lost to a 4 seed, Illinois, which was playing in Chicago only a couple hours from their campus. Nobody in their right mind gave us a chance. In contrast, the Poinsettia Bowl against BYU was a virtual toss-up.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2015 12:48:18 GMT -8
The 2001-02 hoops season did NOT end with a disappointing post-season finish. We were just a 13 seed and lost to a 4 seed, Illinois, which was playing in Chicago only a couple hours from their campus. Nobody in their right mind gave us a chance. In contrast, the Poinsettia Bowl against BYU was a virtual toss-up. We lost by 30 to the illini. Seed or not, we got the breaks blown off. You're right, the BYU games was near a toss-up. If you were at the BYU game, as you claim, you will recall we entered the 4th quarter with a 3 point lead against the #1 defense in the country before they finally overwhelmed us(well Van Noy did really, as he scored 2 td's in the 4th). Admit it, you already have your mind made up, reality be damned.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Jul 16, 2015 13:03:48 GMT -8
Getting blown out in a game everybody and their brother expects to be a blowout is not disappointing, nor should it be. As an example, I've never been disappointed when our football team has gotten curb stomped at Ohio State. In contrast, gagging away a game in the fourth quarter against an opponent with no better talent on your home field as the Aztecs did against BYU in 2012 and against Navy in 2014 IS disappointing.
Do I have my mind made up on that? Well, you haven't offered anything to dissuade me, that's for sure.
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Post by wayno503 on Jul 16, 2015 13:05:03 GMT -8
If you have a guaranteed coach who will come here for SDSU money and do better than Rocky and not leave after two years, I'm all ears.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2015 13:17:11 GMT -8
Getting blown out in a game everybody and their brother expects to be a blowout is not disappointing, nor should it be. As an example, I've never been disappointed when our football team has gotten curb stomped at Ohio State. In contrast, gagging away a game in the fourth quarter against an opponent with no better talent on your home field as the Aztecs did against BYU in 2012 and against Navy in 2014 IS disappointing. Do I have my mind made up on that? Well, you haven't offered anything to dissuade me, that's for sure. Would have to check, but I'm pretty sure BYU was favored in that game by just about every odds maker. And they had 2 future first rounders on that defense. EDIT: My only point in all this was that both teams overachieved on the season as a whole and accomplished something we hadn't done in a long time in either sport (Conference champ), laying the foundation for future success thru improved recruiting. Think of both as a starting point.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2015 13:34:14 GMT -8
people forget that the P-bowl was ours for the taking- or the refs (seems to happen a lot when we play byu). It was 6-3 Aztecs 3 minutes into the 4th. a phantom clipping call in 1st half cost us a TD (then we missed the FG), then Adam Dingwell completely collapsed (with some help) 23-6
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2015 13:38:52 GMT -8
people forget that the P-bowl was ours for the taking- or the refs (seems to happen a lot when we play byu). It was 6-3 Aztecs 3 minutes into the 4th. a phantom clipping call in 1st half cost us a TD (then we missed the FG), then Adam Dingwell completely collapsed (with some help) 23-6 Wow, I completely forgot about the TD that was called back. Who was that called against(Young?). But I'll never forget Van Noy going SuperSaiyan and basically beating us by himself.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2015 13:48:51 GMT -8
people forget that the P-bowl was ours for the taking- or the refs (seems to happen a lot when we play byu). It was 6-3 Aztecs 3 minutes into the 4th. a phantom clipping call in 1st half cost us a TD (then we missed the FG), then Adam Dingwell completely collapsed (with some help) 23-6 Wow, I completely forgot about the TD that was called back. Who was that called against(Young?). But I'll never forget Van Noy going SuperSaiyan and basically beating us by himself. I just checked it. It was called "blocking below the waist" on an interception by Eric Pinkins- 10 yards behind an easy score. We ended up punting, not missing the FG. Dingwell ended up with 5 turnovers- 4 in the 4th quarter. "San Diego State's Eric Pinkins intercepted Riley Nelson's pass and returned it 39 yards for a touchdown in the second quarter but the score was negated by a penalty for blocking below the waist. SDSU ended up punting from the BYU 36." Byu's punter should have been MVP- 3 punts inside the 5, 6 inside the 20.
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Post by sdcoug on Jul 16, 2015 13:53:29 GMT -8
I think what it says is people who don't like Rocky are not going to like anything he does, no matter how successful. Opinions have been formed & won't change.
I do find it funny when people say "other than beating Boise on the road....", as if that's not an accomplishment, nor is 9 wins.
Word comprehension problems much? Back at ya. Not sure what you can't comprehend about that statement? Pretty straight forward.
Anytime someone says "other than beating X, Y hasn't done much" it belittles the fact they accomplished the feat.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Jul 16, 2015 14:37:04 GMT -8
Word comprehension problems much? Back at ya. Not sure what you can't comprehend about that statement? Pretty straight forward.
Anytime someone says "other than beating X, Y hasn't done much" it belittles the fact they accomplished the feat.
No it doesn't. As to the P-Bowl, BYU played the latter half of the fourth quarter like a soccer team protecting a one-goal lead with 15 minutes left before stoppage time. BYU's approach was boring as hell but you have to give them credit. If we managed to get the ball on their side of the 50 even once in the fourth quarter I don't remember it.
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