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Post by rebar619 on May 22, 2015 10:47:01 GMT -8
Everybody on here always says they want SDSU to be treated like a major power. Well let's start proving it. Of course the rent is going to increase. But now with the advent of electronic signage, SDSU needs the opportunity to create revenue streams and its own identity at the new stadium. It's a tremendous opportunity. I have come around that we're never going to get our own stadium. Well to me, this is the next best thing. There will be some people who can't afford Chargers tickets who will check out an Aztec game just to see the new digs. We better win!!! I think SDSU alums and leaders should try to not only exact influence on the Chargers for what they want out of the new stadium but also the city and county who will be footing a lot of the bill. If we get our act together we may have more leverage than you might think. But yes, rent and tickets and parking will be going up. Don't be shocked when this happens. Hopefully the $11 dollar beers will suffice. You're not paying attention...if you were you would know we currently don't make advert, concession, or parking revenue and the new stadium proposal does not specifically address that issue. You're not paying attention...the CSAG recommends the City renegotiate with SDSU and the bowl games to restructure their contracts and allow for a recoup in revenue for advertising during their events. New electronic signage makes this possible. The current static signage in the Q does not.
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Post by hoobs on May 22, 2015 10:49:08 GMT -8
Jim Steeg said that SDSU would be able to make money off the electronic advertising in a new stadium. That's in the CSAG proposal. Key word... "proposal." We'll see how the negotiations pan out and whether or not that is among the issues that get compromised in favor of the Chargers. Don't be surprised if the Chargers require XX% of all 3rd party advertising revenue. Or for XX% of all 3rd party revenue to be put into the O&M fund (which so far as I can tell is totally unaddressed at this point). Either way, there are plenty of scenarios where SDSU doesn't have the ability to recoup the increased rental fees through inevitably constrained/compromised gameday revenue "opportunities."
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 10:54:17 GMT -8
You're not paying attention...if you were you would know we currently don't make advert, concession, or parking revenue and the new stadium proposal does not specifically address that issue. You're not paying attention... the CSAG recommends the City renegotiate with SDSU and the bowl games to restructure their contracts and allow for a recoup in revenue for advertising during their events. New electronic signage makes this possible. The current static signage in the Q does not. So like I said its a negotiation and they'll have an opportunity to keep things as they already are(I mean why would they change if they don't have to?)...now if there was a guarantee that we could collect that revenue or use it toward the rent I would be more optimistic...but we've been here before and we know how that worked out.
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Post by retiredaztec on May 22, 2015 11:31:20 GMT -8
Keep in mind rent isn't just going up. A new stadium is a marketing opportunity for the school. There will be an entire market of folks that want to come experience the new stadium that can't afford Charger tickets. The other opportunity is for SDSU to finally capture advertising revenue. The new stadium will be equipped with electronic signage, unlike the static signage at the Q which is static and controlled by the Chargers. There's just way too much negativity around this discussion coming from Aztec fans. When the "nightmare" scenario envisioned is that your team will be "forced" to play in the nicest, most expensive stadium of any college team in the country, all logic has been abandoned and emotion has taken over. This is especially true when the "alternative","A Stadium Of Our Very Own!"....sigh..... is nothing but pure fantasy. A SDSU only stadium is no less a fantasy than the Chargers trying to get 2/3 of the people to vote to fund a new stadium for a billionaire who sucks money from the San Diego economy...good luck with that... Let's put it to a vote this November...so we can start backing up the moving vans as soon as the Chargers miss the payoffs And the Aztecs can go looking for another place to play football.
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Post by retiredaztec on May 22, 2015 11:32:15 GMT -8
Keep in mind rent isn't just going up. A new stadium is a marketing opportunity for the school. There will be an entire market of folks that want to come experience the new stadium that can't afford Charger tickets. The other opportunity is for SDSU to finally capture advertising revenue. The new stadium will be equipped with electronic signage, unlike the static signage at the Q which is static and controlled by the Chargers. There's just way too much negativity around this discussion coming from Aztec fans. When the "nightmare" scenario envisioned is that your team will be "forced" to play in the nicest, most expensive stadium of any college team in the country, all logic has been abandoned and emotion has taken over. This is especially true when the "alternative","A Stadium Of Our Very Own!"....sigh..... is nothing but pure fantasy. You're making too much sense here. Remember the element you're dealing with.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on May 22, 2015 12:17:21 GMT -8
Everybody on here always says they want SDSU to be treated like a major power. Well let's start proving it. Of course the rent is going to increase. But now with the advent of electronic signage, SDSU needs the opportunity to create revenue streams and its own identity at the new stadium. It's a tremendous opportunity. I have come around that we're never going to get our own stadium. Well to me, this is the next best thing. There will be some people who can't afford Chargers tickets who will check out an Aztec game just to see the new digs. We better win!!! I think SDSU alums and leaders should try to not only exact influence on the Chargers for what they want out of the new stadium but also the city and county who will be footing a lot of the bill. If we get our act together we may have more leverage than you might think. But yes, rent and tickets and parking will be going up. Don't be shocked when this happens. Hopefully the $11 dollar beers will suffice. It's funny that you think the Chargers/NFL care about what San Diego State University wants or the City & County of San Diego for that matter. The Chargers/NFL are the ones that will make the demands and dictate contracts & policies not the other way around. All you have to do is look at how the NFL has done "business" in other cities. All the leverage is with the Chargers/NFL & if San Diego doesn't aquiest to their requests/demands (which we won't) they will simply leave for a city that will.
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Post by Ambivalent_Fan on May 22, 2015 12:40:57 GMT -8
Why can't we just let the people vote on whether or not they want their tax money to go to building a stadium for billionaires...
Don't let any issues with SDSU football cloud the issue...
It's very simple...just let the people vote on the city build a new stadium (I say sooner the better)...what's wrong with that concept?...
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Post by aztecbolt on May 22, 2015 12:41:15 GMT -8
Jim Steeg said that SDSU would be able to make money off the electronic advertising in a new stadium. That's in the CSAG proposal. Key word... "proposal." We'll see how the negotiations pan out and whether or not that is among the issues that get compromised in favor of the Chargers. Don't be surprised if the Chargers require XX% of all 3rd party advertising revenue. Or for XX% of all 3rd party revenue to be put into the O&M fund (which so far as I can tell is totally unaddressed at this point). Either way, there are plenty of scenarios where SDSU doesn't have the ability to recoup the increased rental fees through inevitably constrained/compromised gameday revenue "opportunities." Yes, proposal. Are you expecting guarantees in a proposal? It's a good thing CSAG is recommending that SDSU can earn revenue from advertising. Calm down, people.
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Post by aztecbolt on May 22, 2015 12:42:19 GMT -8
Why can't we just let the people vote on whether or not they want their tax money to go to building a stadium for billionaires... Don't let any issues with SDSU football cloud the issue... It's very simple...just let the people vote on the city build a new stadium (I say sooner the better)...what's wrong with that concept?... Thank you!
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 12:44:20 GMT -8
Keep in mind rent isn't just going up. A new stadium is a marketing opportunity for the school. There will be an entire market of folks that want to come experience the new stadium that can't afford Charger tickets. The other opportunity is for SDSU to finally capture advertising revenue. The new stadium will be equipped with electronic signage, unlike the static signage at the Q which is static and controlled by the Chargers. There's just way too much negativity around this discussion coming from Aztec fans. When the "nightmare" scenario envisioned is that your team will be "forced" to play in the nicest, most expensive stadium of any college team in the country, all logic has been abandoned and emotion has taken over. This is especially true when the "alternative","A Stadium Of Our Very Own!"....sigh..... is nothing but pure fantasy. You're making too much sense here. Remember the element you're dealing with. You're dealing with younger people who still know how to do research...must be rough eh?
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Post by njvsuperman on May 22, 2015 13:00:25 GMT -8
I'm amazed by how much people who I assume are SDSU athletic fans seem to dispise the Chargers....I understand people dislike super rich people, but still seems like overall life is better with an NFL team in your city. Not 100% talking $$$, just don't know anything else that brings people of all races/ages/backgrounds like sports and the NFL is a big part of that. Nothing like the excitement of going to a SB, WS....for everyone in the city to go crazy, but I guess if the Chargers leave we try to to learn to have that same level of excitement about a minor league hockey team and an indoor soccer team---and also hope SDSU football somehow finds $100's of millions to build a stadium or USD football might end up being the best football team in SD.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 13:14:09 GMT -8
I'm amazed by how much people who I assume are SDSU athletic fans seem to dispise the Chargers....I understand people dislike super rich people, but still seems like overall life is better with an NFL team in your city. Not 100% talking $$$, just don't know anything else that brings people of all races/ages/backgrounds like sports and the NFL is a big part of that. Nothing like the excitement of going to a SB, WS....for everyone in the city to go crazy, but I guess if the Chargers leave we try to to learn to have that same level of excitement about a minor league hockey team and an indoor soccer team---and also hope SDSU football somehow finds $100's of millions to build a stadium or USD football might end up being the best football team in SD. Did you know the Chargers prevented SDSU from collecting revenue for concessions and parking from every Aztec home game since the time the Padres left the Q for Petco? Have you noticed how strained Athletic budgets are? Only someone who isn't primarly an Aztec fan would still love the Chargers after obtaining that knowledge...and I actually still want them to stay in town...
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Post by fowl on May 22, 2015 21:17:29 GMT -8
A SDSU only stadium is no less a fantasy than the Chargers trying to get 2/3 of the people to vote to fund a new stadium for a billionaire who sucks money from the San Diego economy...good luck with that... Let's put it to a vote this November...so we can start backing up the moving vans as soon as the Chargers miss the payoffs And the Aztecs can go looking for another place to play football. This would be a perfectly fine option for me. How confident are you that there are no alums out there with $100mm to throw down for a stadium for SDSU??? You are writing checks your ass can't cash baggage handler.
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Post by Mr. PacMan Jones on May 23, 2015 4:39:39 GMT -8
I'm amazed by how much people who I assume are SDSU athletic fans seem to dispise the Chargers....I understand people dislike super rich people, but still seems like overall life is better with an NFL team in your city. Not 100% talking $$$, just don't know anything else that brings people of all races/ages/backgrounds like sports and the NFL is a big part of that. Nothing like the excitement of going to a SB, WS....for everyone in the city to go crazy, but I guess if the Chargers leave we try to to learn to have that same level of excitement about a minor league hockey team and an indoor soccer team---and also hope SDSU football somehow finds $100's of millions to build a stadium or USD football might end up being the best football team in SD. Did you know the Chargers prevented SDSU from collecting revenue for concessions and parking from every Aztec home game since the time the Padres left the Q for Petco? Have you noticed how strained Athletic budgets are? Only someone who isn't primarly an Aztec fan would still love the Chargers after obtaining that knowledge...and I actually still want them to stay in town... San Diego State is always getting screwed. If the Chargers aren't penetrating them, it's either the Mountain West commissioner, the SD bowl association, or the mainstream media. Does SDSU get down like that or what?
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 5:05:06 GMT -8
And the Aztecs can go looking for another place to play football. This would be a perfectly fine option for me. How confident are you that there are no alums out there with $100mm to throw down for a stadium for SDSU??? You are writing checks your ass can't cash baggage handler. The Basketball program struggled to raise 15mil and a huge chunk of that came from non-alums so.....
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 5:18:55 GMT -8
Everybody on here always says they want SDSU to be treated like a major power. Well let's start proving it. Of course the rent is going to increase. But now with the advent of electronic signage, SDSU needs the opportunity to create revenue streams and its own identity at the new stadium. It's a tremendous opportunity. I have come around that we're never going to get our own stadium. Well to me, this is the next best thing. There will be some people who can't afford Chargers tickets who will check out an Aztec game just to see the new digs. We better win!!! I think SDSU alums and leaders should try to not only exact influence on the Chargers for what they want out of the new stadium but also the city and county who will be footing a lot of the bill. If we get our act together we may have more leverage than you might think. But yes, rent and tickets and parking will be going up. Don't be shocked when this happens. Hopefully the $11 dollar beers will suffice. It's funny that you think the Chargers/NFL care about what San Diego State University wants or the City & County of San Diego for that matter. The Chargers/NFL are the ones that will make the demands and dictate contracts & policies not the other way around. All you have to do is look at how the NFL has done "business" in other cities. All the leverage is with the Chargers/NFL & if San Diego doesn't aquiest to their requests/demands (which we won't) they will simply leave for a city that will. They all have skin in the game. Where's SDSU's? The more they can bring to the table, the better for everybody. I understand that this is a difficult thing to do what with Dr. Hirshman sitting on his $600mil and his secret strategy, it might blow his cover. But he could kick a couple hundred mil into the conversation and see what happens.
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Post by hoobs on May 23, 2015 5:55:52 GMT -8
It's funny that you think the Chargers/NFL care about what San Diego State University wants or the City & County of San Diego for that matter. The Chargers/NFL are the ones that will make the demands and dictate contracts & policies not the other way around. All you have to do is look at how the NFL has done "business" in other cities. All the leverage is with the Chargers/NFL & if San Diego doesn't aquiest to their requests/demands (which we won't) they will simply leave for a city that will. They all have skin in the game. Where's SDSU's? The more they can bring to the table, the better for everybody. I understand that this is a difficult thing to do what with Dr. Hirshman sitting on his $600mil and his secret strategy, it might blow his cover. But he could kick a couple hundred mil into the conversation and see what happens. Because with that "couple hundred mil" SDSU would be more than halfway to building their own stadium on campus (one of the sites already identified in the present campus area). Throwing what would amount to chump change into a Chargers' stadium would garner absolutely zero influence and would be a colossal waste of money and total leadership failure. Very glad you're not calling the shots in the administration.
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Post by sdsudevil on May 23, 2015 6:07:13 GMT -8
This would be a perfectly fine option for me. How confident are you that there are no alums out there with $100mm to throw down for a stadium for SDSU??? You are writing checks your ass can't cash baggage handler. The Basketball program struggled to raise 15mil and a huge chunk of that came from non-alums so..... Struggled? I thought they raised private donations pretty well.
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Post by hoobs on May 23, 2015 6:40:35 GMT -8
The Basketball program struggled to raise 15mil and a huge chunk of that came from non-alums so..... Struggled? I thought they raised private donations pretty well. It's not like fundraising is at an all-time high for SDSU or anything... SMH.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 6:48:10 GMT -8
They all have skin in the game. Where's SDSU's? The more they can bring to the table, the better for everybody. I understand that this is a difficult thing to do what with Dr. Hirshman sitting on his $600mil and his secret strategy, it might blow his cover. But he could kick a couple hundred mil into the conversation and see what happens. Because with that "couple hundred mil" SDSU would be more than halfway to building their own stadium on campus (one of the sites already identified in the present campus area). Throwing what would amount to chump change into a Chargers' stadium would garner absolutely zero influence and would be a colossal waste of money and total leadership failure. Very glad you're not calling the shots in the administration. It would put SDSU in the game as a 20% equity stake holder in a 5-way deal with the city, county, Chargers and NFL. Not chump change, LEVERAGE. But I agree, a mythical stadium, built on mythical land is a better allocation of mythical resources.
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