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Post by Trujillos & Beer on May 14, 2015 12:19:06 GMT -8
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Post by thepapacy on May 14, 2015 12:42:13 GMT -8
You've got to think the first nondenominational President is going to be a much bigger deal than the catholic thing in the 60's and probably just as big a deal as race in '08.
A funny thing also just struck me... A common theme after the '08 election was minorities coming forward and saying, "you know, I can look at my kids now and tell them that they can be anything they want to be, and mean it." Do you think muslim parents in the US, even those that have been here for generations, can look at their kids and tell them they could be president if they wanted to?
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on May 14, 2015 12:45:24 GMT -8
What was the "Catholic thing in the 60s?"
Kennedy as President?
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Post by thepapacy on May 14, 2015 13:23:25 GMT -8
god this sounds so much like how christians denigrate islam today that it's laughable.
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on May 14, 2015 13:44:34 GMT -8
god this sounds so much like how christians denigrate islam today that it's laughable. Is it Christians or people in general worried about Islamic terrorism and referencing those that subscribe to terrorism as a means to achieve their objectives? (As opposed to vast majority of peaceful Muslims.) |
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Post by thepapacy on May 14, 2015 13:50:49 GMT -8
god this sounds so much like how christians denigrate islam today that it's laughable. Is it Christians or people in general worried about Islamic terrorism and referencing those that subscribe to terrorism as a means to achieve their objectives? (As opposed to vast majority of peaceful Muslims.) Why are you talking about terrorism? |
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on May 14, 2015 15:59:58 GMT -8
Is it Christians or people in general worried about Islamic terrorism and referencing those that subscribe to terrorism as a means to achieve their objectives? (As opposed to vast majority of peaceful Muslims.) Why are you talking about terrorism? OK, sorry. Misogyny, denigration of women, buggering chai boys, extreme shari'a law that allows them to stone women to death for being raped, kidnapping hundreds of young school girls to become wives and rape-partners, using intellectually disabled people as suicide bombers against peaceful civilians, destruction of cultural antiquities that don't conform to their belief systems. All in the last year, I know I missed a few things. There are but a few but very radical extreme Islamic peoples. I am sad for the vast majority that are tarred with that brush. I'm guessing that this doesn't conform to your narrative. Sorry. |
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Post by azson on May 15, 2015 8:49:33 GMT -8
Why are you talking about terrorism? OK, sorry. Misogyny, denigration of women, buggering chai boys, extreme shari'a law that allows them to stone women to death for being raped, kidnapping hundreds of young school girls to become wives and rape-partners, using intellectually disabled people as suicide bombers against peaceful civilians, destruction of cultural antiquities that don't conform to their belief systems. All in the last year, I know I missed a few things. There are but a few but very radical extreme Islamic peoples. I am sad for the vast majority that are tarred with that brush. I'm guessing that this doesn't conform to your narrative. Sorry. Oh please, like you don't have a narrative that you're trying to perpetuate here. Islamophobia is fun. The last time a Muslim scared me (i.e. in my own state)? Never. The last time a Christian scared me? Many times recently. The Sodomite Suppression Act comes to mind. Killing gays is fun. |
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Post by tuff on May 15, 2015 9:54:51 GMT -8
OK, sorry. Misogyny, denigration of women, buggering chai boys, extreme shari'a law that allows them to stone women to death for being raped, kidnapping hundreds of young school girls to become wives and rape-partners, using intellectually disabled people as suicide bombers against peaceful civilians, destruction of cultural antiquities that don't conform to their belief systems. All in the last year, I know I missed a few things. There are but a few but very radical extreme Islamic peoples. I am sad for the vast majority that are tarred with that brush. I'm guessing that this doesn't conform to your narrative. Sorry. Oh please, like you don't have a narrative that you're trying to perpetuate here. Islamophobia is fun. The last time a Muslim scared me (i.e. in my own state)? Never. The last time a Christian scared me? Many times recently. The Sodomite Suppression Act comes to mind. Killing gays is fun.[/quot Are you gay? |
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Post by thepapacy on May 15, 2015 13:20:13 GMT -8
Why are you talking about terrorism? OK, sorry. Misogyny, denigration of women, buggering chai boys, extreme shari'a law that allows them to stone women to death for being raped, kidnapping hundreds of young school girls to become wives and rape-partners, using intellectually disabled people as suicide bombers against peaceful civilians, destruction of cultural antiquities that don't conform to their belief systems. All in the last year, I know I missed a few things. There are but a few but very radical extreme Islamic peoples. I am sad for the vast majority that are tarred with that brush. I'm guessing that this doesn't conform to your narrative. Sorry. Forgot to respond! This quote is from the 1960's, in which a mainstream christian is talking about how catholicism demands true allegiance of its adherents, in a way that christianity does not. Christian presidents are fine, because in a conflict between church and state, state can win. Christians are reasonable and can separate logic from fairytale, religious pressure from public pressure, sound mind from fanaticism. But catholics can't, their religion does not allow it. Sounds familiar, eh? You kind of prove the point in this thread. |
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Post by thepapacy on May 15, 2015 13:22:42 GMT -8
I'll add that as a nonreligious person, it is easier to see the double standard. I'd imagine this makes many religious people uncomfortable, and I'd imagine many are not self-aware enough to see it.
Muslims in America are judged based on the literal word of their holy book and the actions of the extremists. Christians in this country are not held to this standard. Much of it has to do with our media.
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on May 15, 2015 17:17:35 GMT -8
Is it Christians or people in general worried about Islamic terrorism and referencing those that subscribe to terrorism as a means to achieve their objectives? (As opposed to vast majority of peaceful Muslims.) Why are you talking about terrorism? OK. I presumed you were brighter than you apparently are. My simple point was that you made a pretty general statement about Christians denigrating Islam. I am pretty consistent about broad generalizations as basis for argument. So, here, I reflected the point that are people in the US denigrating Islam or radical islamic terrorists that mean to inflict their terror in order to achieve their objectives. I presume that the most denigrating is on those that support or commit terror, not the vast majority of peaceful Muslims. Is that difficult or as I stated later, not supporting your false narrative? I have many Muslim friends. I have great respect for them individually as I do any human that gives respect. There is a difference between them and those bent on terror, regardless of religion. |
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on May 15, 2015 17:27:41 GMT -8
OK, sorry. Misogyny, denigration of women, buggering chai boys, extreme shari'a law that allows them to stone women to death for being raped, kidnapping hundreds of young school girls to become wives and rape-partners, using intellectually disabled people as suicide bombers against peaceful civilians, destruction of cultural antiquities that don't conform to their belief systems. All in the last year, I know I missed a few things. There are but a few but very radical extreme Islamic peoples. I am sad for the vast majority that are tarred with that brush. I'm guessing that this doesn't conform to your narrative. Sorry. Forgot to respond! This quote is from the 1960's, in which a mainstream christian is talking about how catholicism demands true allegiance of its adherents, in a way that christianity does not. Christian presidents are fine, because in a conflict between church and state, state can win. Christians are reasonable and can separate logic from fairytale, religious pressure from public pressure, sound mind from fanaticism. But catholics can't, their religion does not allow it. Sounds familiar, eh? You kind of prove the point in this thread. I am not sure how I proved the point of the thread since I responded to one aspect of your argument that you had made pretty broad generalizations about Christians. I merely challenged that in your post. Christians are as varied in thought, dogma, compliance, humanity and compassion as most any sector of society. There is no common allegiance, except perhaps a generalized devotion of the teachings of Christ. Pulling a quote from the 60s from an obscure leader is hardly a solid underpinning of any argument. |
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on May 15, 2015 17:31:30 GMT -8
OK, sorry. Misogyny, denigration of women, buggering chai boys, extreme shari'a law that allows them to stone women to death for being raped, kidnapping hundreds of young school girls to become wives and rape-partners, using intellectually disabled people as suicide bombers against peaceful civilians, destruction of cultural antiquities that don't conform to their belief systems. All in the last year, I know I missed a few things. There are but a few but very radical extreme Islamic peoples. I am sad for the vast majority that are tarred with that brush. I'm guessing that this doesn't conform to your narrative. Sorry. Oh please, like you don't have a narrative that you're trying to perpetuate here. Islamophobia is fun. The last time a Muslim scared me (i.e. in my own state)? Never. The last time a Christian scared me? Many times recently. The Sodomite Suppression Act comes to mind. Killing gays is fun. Well, I am happy that you aren't scared by radical islamists. The chances of getting hurt directly by them is low. I was in DC on Sept 11th and a number of friends were attending a conference in Manhattan that same day. I suspect our personal histories inform our view. As for the killing gays thing, I am not tracking that. I don't recall that being some sort of a movement. I recognize that individual gay killings have occurred but I doubt that was part of a conspiracy. |
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Post by William L. Rupp on May 16, 2015 9:15:40 GMT -8
This one really belongs in the Culture and Values board.
WLR
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Post by aztecwin on May 16, 2015 9:37:15 GMT -8
Why do I suspect you will change your tune if you are ever in a foxhole or in hospice care. |
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Post by Trujillos & Beer on May 18, 2015 11:25:09 GMT -8
Why do I suspect you will change your tune if you are ever in a foxhole or in hospice care. If I'm going to start believing in crazy $#!+ right before death I can think of much better stories than the bible. |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on May 19, 2015 11:00:00 GMT -8
Why do I suspect you will change your tune if you are ever in a foxhole or in hospice care. Just because you don't go to church or are a member of an organized denomination doesn't mean that you don't believe. I think that many have become un-enamored with what 'organized religion' has become. |
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Post by aztecwin on May 22, 2015 6:36:41 GMT -8
Why do I suspect you will change your tune if you are ever in a foxhole or in hospice care. Just because you don't go to church or are a member of an organized denomination doesn't mean that you don't believe. I think that many have become un-enamored with what 'organized religion' has become. Very true! Imagine that! We find common ground. |
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Post by aztecmusician on May 25, 2015 11:01:47 GMT -8
As of right now, roughly 70% of all Americans are Christian. It seems like a very bad idea for any political party to ignore or alienate this demographic.
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