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Post by standiego on May 15, 2015 8:11:28 GMT -8
The scholarship situation is with 2015 . If Nolan Narain signs for 2015 , Max is given a scholarship( rather then walks on) , and IF we can sign Aaron to a scholarship , we are over 13 . So either Max walks on , or some one transfers out . If Nolan waits until 2016 , then he could possibly get recruited by another school , as he heads up the ratings board .
Go look at the HS and All star Clips of Aaron scoring both off the dribble threes , slams or jump shots of , he handles the BB . He was a 40% 3 point shooter his junior year. Was noted for his Scoring in a variety of ways as SF or SG . He played in numerous All star games . Ranked #30 , 4 star . Very athletic on both ends of the court . He is as Coach Fisher says a SCORER. So really think he could help the Aztecs at both the SF/ SG . Would definitely be challenging for a starting position ,top scorer on the 2016 team. But he is being heavily recruited by Ducks , Huskies , USC .... So maybe he would see that we could be out of scholarships .That is why I was hoping the Aztecs held off on the scholarship to Max . At least wait until Monday to make the call .
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Post by dirtball on May 15, 2015 8:42:07 GMT -8
don't be silly, they aren't holding off on a scholarship for Max. Narain, will be 2016 and he will sign with us in November like 99% of all recruits do.
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Post by Gundo on May 15, 2015 9:01:33 GMT -8
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Post by standiego on May 15, 2015 9:02:10 GMT -8
If Narain holds off for a 2016 start ,yes the earliest he can sign is November 2015. So he is free to visit and talk with as many schools as he wants to he can flip , the Verbal , as we and others have learned is not binding, a signed NLI is in November . Would be the best recruiting situation if he would go put together a package deal with his HS team mate Humphries #28 - 6'11" , Or maybe his SG Cyrus .
Yes do believe we could wait on the transfer signing until the coaches know what Aaron is going to do . Aaron would have been worth it . We have 11 signed for 2015 . with offers to Max , Aaron , Narain with 13 scholarships available . Or could try what IU did have 15 , until Max and another recruit left to put them at 13 .
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Post by fisherville on May 15, 2015 10:02:31 GMT -8
If Narain holds off for a 2016 start ,yes the earliest he can sign is November 2015. So he is free to visit and talk with as many schools as he wants to he can flip , the Verbal , as we and others have learned is not binding, a signed NLI is in November . Would be the best recruiting situation if he would go put together a package deal with his HS team mate Humphries #28 - 6'11" , Or maybe his SG Cyrus . Yes do believe we could wait on the transfer signing until the coaches know what Aaron is going to do . Aaron would have been worth it . We have 11 signed for 2015 . with offers to Max , Aaron , Narain with 13 scholarships available . Or could try what IU did have 15 , until Max and another recruit left to put them at 13 . Lol
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Post by aztecryan on May 15, 2015 10:08:47 GMT -8
Don't forget the first pitch at Petco, Stan.
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Post by sdcoug on May 15, 2015 10:15:25 GMT -8
It's obvious Stan doesn't...
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 11:01:05 GMT -8
Stan is one of those armchair hoops analysts who scans rankings and makes assumptions of players abilities and impact to the program based on where they are on the Rivals top 150 list. Many (most) of the greatest Aztecs to play under Fish were either very low on the top 150 lists or nowhere to be found on them at all. Brandon Heath, Richie Williams, DJ Gay, Billy White, Kyle Spain, Chase Tapley, Jamaal Franklin, Aerick Sanders, Xavier Thames, John Sharper, and the list goes on and on and on. Honestly, buying into the hype of the high school rankings is just silly. It is nice and all to be in the mix for highly regarded players, but it doesn't always mean you have signed a "can't miss" talent. There are plenty of sleepers out there, many of whom don't get a chance on a good team because the coach is afraid of the backlash they would get for playing an unranked/unknown kid over the top 50 stud who isn't quite cutting it but gets minutes still.
And if we are being honest, many of our sleepers in the past would eat up a handful of our top 100 kids we've gotten in recent years.
I for one think the Hoetzel verbal is outstanding. Maybe not the athlete of an Aaron, but more size and potentially has the versatility to play a stretch 4 on offense at times in this league. There have been zero reports of him having attitude/ego/discipline problems. Reported to be a hard working gym rat. And personally, I've grown a bit frustrated if anything with our roster full of tremendous athletes who can't put the ball in the hole. Max looks like he will bring an element of versatility and a talent, most likely off the bench, that will compliment some of the great players on the roster.
At the end of the day I will take skill over athleticism all day long. Kids like DJ Gay, Xavier Thames, Chase Tapley, Brandon Heath, JJ O'Brien and Tim Shelton... those guys were average athletes but they were smart players with high skill sets and specialties that either carried or complimented every team they played on.
Time will tell, but I see no reason to be disappointed with Max Hoetzel committing.
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Post by pbbroker on May 15, 2015 11:32:55 GMT -8
UNLV BIG MAN - was Hoetz's teammate in HS
Max Hoetzel retweeted Goodluck Okonoboh @goodlucko_12 ยท May 13 San Diego State University. Y'all Got A Good One ! @yunghoetz 9 retweets 20 favorites
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Post by The Honey Badger on May 15, 2015 11:42:08 GMT -8
Stan is one of those armchair hoops analysts who scans rankings and makes assumptions of players abilities and impact to the program based on where they are on the Rivals top 150 list. Many (most) of the greatest Aztecs to play under Fish were either very low on the top 150 lists or nowhere to be found on them at all. Brandon Heath, Richie Williams, DJ Gay, Billy White, Kyle Spain, Chase Tapley, Jamaal Franklin, Aerick Sanders, Xavier Thames, John Sharper, and the list goes on and on and on. Honestly, buying into the hype of the high school rankings is just silly. It is nice and all to be in the mix for highly regarded players, but it doesn't always mean you have signed a "can't miss" talent. There are plenty of sleepers out there, many of whom don't get a chance on a good team because the coach is afraid of the backlash they would get for playing an unranked/unknown kid over the top 50 stud who isn't quite cutting it but gets minutes still. And if we are being honest, many of our sleepers in the past would eat up a handful of our top 100 kids we've gotten in recent years. I for one think the Hoetzel verbal is outstanding. Maybe not the athlete of an Aaron, but more size and potentially has the versatility to play a stretch 4 on offense at times in this league. There have been zero reports of him having attitude/ego/discipline problems. Reported to be a hard working gym rat. And personally, I've grown a bit frustrated if anything with our roster full of tremendous athletes who can't put the ball in the hole. Max looks like he will bring an element of versatility and a talent, most likely off the bench, that will compliment some of the great players on the roster. At the end of the day I will take skill over athleticism all day long. Kids like DJ Gay, Xavier Thames, Chase Tapley, Brandon Heath, JJ O'Brien and Tim Shelton... those guys were average athletes but they were smart players with high skill sets and specialties that either carried or complimented every team they played on. Time will tell, but I see no reason to be disappointed with Max Hoetzel committing. Stan is right and i'm gonna add that all those players you mentioned have something in common... they are black athletes. Fisher has no track record of being able to make a white player have impact on any of his teams here or at Michigan . We had a good thing going this year too bad Fisher still can't keep his hands off the white shooter that can't shoot or guard their grandmama. I'm positive Hoetzel is next in line with the likes of Kovacic, Steve Sir, Jason Deutchman and Medhi Cheriet who tried hard but didn't had the athleticism to keep up with the D1 players they faced.
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Post by benaztecfan on May 15, 2015 11:55:37 GMT -8
So happy the Aztecs got Hoetzel! He's gonna be a solid contributor both as a practice player next year and the following 3 years in the lineup!!
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Post by thepapacy on May 15, 2015 11:57:40 GMT -8
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Post by AzTex on May 15, 2015 12:09:42 GMT -8
Remember what a bird in hand is worth.
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Post by standiego on May 15, 2015 12:24:10 GMT -8
yes there is a MBB game coming up at Petco this year .
Do hope I am wrong about Max.just happen to see that Aaron has the over all athleticism and shooting ability to be a starter in 2016 and great Scorer , not just a spot 3 point shooter ,reserve. Yes if this was years ago when we were just happy to get into MM . Max would be a nice player to have . But think we need even better players now at the level of Malik , Narain , Cage ... are at or better if we want to get to a SW16 , E8 level or better . It started when brought in a very talented K. Leonard , very highly rated , and if we want to challenge top 10 teams , we are going to need top 50 players . Think Max could be a decent reserve , also would prefer an offense that really attacks the basket - those are the majority of the guys we recruit , not settle for the guy who sets up for a three point shot . Aaron if you watch his All Star high lights can create his 3 point shot right off the dribble , or can beat his guy going to the basket , closer to a Malik, Lo Wade , Jamaal then a Shrigley.... . Interesting that the Ducks , Huskies , USC must feel the same thing as they are really recruiting Aaron . Max has Rice .
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Post by dirtball on May 15, 2015 12:44:43 GMT -8
Max was also at Indiana, a blue blood college basketball program. Also, Max was being recruited by UNLV as well as a transfer. Stop being an ass.
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Post by mnico213 on May 15, 2015 12:51:40 GMT -8
I am not convinced that Max is "just a spot-up 3 point shooter," but even if he was, how often do you see these types of guys on the Dukes, Arizonas, Ohio States, etc. of the world? A guy who can come in and hit those shots can be very valuable even if he is not giving big minutes and does not play elite defense. Again, I don't think that is who he is, but if it was, it would hardly be something to complain about.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on May 15, 2015 13:25:57 GMT -8
We've had some unproductive white spot up shooter types, there's no arguing that. However, who among them besides Shrigley came with any particular pedigree?
Steve Sir? To repeat, if he was even on scholarship it's news to me. Cheriet wasn't a jump shooter but rather a tweener. And Kovicic was bad enough but Jason Deutchman? A guy who had played in a total of eight games in two years at Wisconsin-Milwaukee? Really? I expect the next post will name drop Chris Lamb.
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Post by sdcoug on May 15, 2015 13:27:05 GMT -8
yes there is a MBB game coming up at Petco this year . Do hope I am wrong about Max.just happen to see that Aaron has the over all athleticism and shooting ability to be a starter in 2016 and great Scorer , not just a spot 3 point shooter ,reserve. Yes if this was years ago when we were just happy to get into MM . Max would be a nice player to have . But think we need even better players now at the level of Malik , Narain , Cage ... are at or better if we want to get to a SW16 , E8 level or better . It started when brought in a very talented K. Leonard , very highly rated , and if we want to challenge top 10 teams , we are going to need top 50 players . Think Max could be a decent reserve , also would prefer an offense that really attacks the basket - those are the majority of the guys we recruit , not settle for the guy who sets up for a three point shot . Aaron if you watch his All Star high lights can create his 3 point shot right off the dribble , or can beat his guy going to the basket , closer to a Malik, Lo Wade , Jamaal then a Shrigley.... . Interesting that the Ducks , Huskies , USC must feel the same thing as they are really recruiting Aaron . Max has Rice . Based on what? Aaron has done nothing at the college level to prove he'll start in 2016. Yet you're going to anoint him the chosen one based on his ranking from HS?
As for recruiting, it's a 2-way street. This is based on their own self-reporting. Do you know Max didn't have other options & simply chose not to pursue them? You don't think Crean would LOVE to have Hoetzel back right now? There's a reason our staff liked him last year & again now. Aaron has tremendous upside; he's worth the RISK. Max can flat out shoot and has proven it. He's also worth the risk. Both could be studs; both could be busts. What's great is they both have a year to prove themselves as RS's, and both seem like the players who could really use that year. I'm worried if Aaron will survive Hutson's drills; I'm not as worried with Hoetzel.
Just for a little balance & perspective, you might want to read Pitino's quotes as well as just looking at his HS rating. "He's got a bad body" doesn't scream sure-fire college success, nor does "he needs a makeover". He showed incredible talent in HS, but has done little since. If it works out that he comes here, HE needs to actually prove himself just to earn a spot above DA or Shrigs in 2016. DA was actually more of a 'scorer' than Aaron as a FR, and Max was better than both.
I think they compliment each other - different roles/styles, and would be great to have on the floor at the same time. I think kids like Shrigs, DA, Shepard, and even Hoetzel would be a great influence on Aaron.
If potential equaled results there would be a very different mix of star players. Hopefully he can reach his.
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Post by aztecnyc on May 16, 2015 3:14:34 GMT -8
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Post by Den60 on May 16, 2015 7:16:29 GMT -8
I'm happy getting Hoetzel. We typically get a lot of athletic players but you do need guys who can nail the three. I think Shrigs will be much better at the 3 next year if Hemsley can be effective at the point. Shrigs is pretty good when he can get open looks and step up into the shot. A team needs more than one of those types of guys and Hoetzel has both the ability to shoot and nice size for a 3 point guy. I think of Duncan from BSU; not athletic at all but is deadly when open outside. Hoetzel looks to be more athletic than Duncan and will get a year to work on his game and work in the weight room and then be here for 3 years.
As for Aaron I have to say that Pitino's comments are a concern that the staff needs to consider. Coaches don't routinely criticize players who transfer out though given that it is Louisville they can likely do things like that without hurting their recruiting. We don't normally recruit guys who don't work hard to improve their game, whether that is in the weight room or on the practice court. We work the hardest on defense which isn't usually what players like to do. As AQ said, if you don't play defense you don't get on the court for the Aztecs.
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