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Post by longtimebooster on Apr 25, 2015 16:55:47 GMT -8
We're still loaded... 5: Spencer, Chol 4: WS3, Zylan 3: Pope, Allen 2: Kell, Shrigley 1: Hemsley, Williams Concur. Not sure where you put in another guy. I love this lineup. Better than this past season's IMO. The entire thing is going to hinge on how well Hemsley does. I think he's the real deal and will light it up. I think with the addition of Zylan, Pope and Hemsley, our shooting woes will be a thing of the past.
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Post by originalshow00 on Apr 25, 2015 17:04:25 GMT -8
We're still loaded... 5: Spencer, Chol 4: WS3, Zylan 3: Pope, Allen 2: Kell, Shrigley 1: Hemsley, Williams Concur. Not sure where you put in another guy. I love this lineup. Better than this past season's IMO. The entire thing is going to hinge on how well Hemsley does. I think he's the real deal and will light it up. I think with the addition of Zylan, Pope and Hemsley, our shooting woes will be a thing of the past. We need a point guard 5th year transfer because Hemsley is a freshman and we all know that freshman have a learning curve to overcome and usually do not see many minutes and Williams is probably not ready yet seeing as he could not get on the floor last year.This is the best solution no other position needs any more depth.
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Post by standiego on Apr 25, 2015 17:26:40 GMT -8
Yes there is a learning curve so you start from the first day of practice during the summer school and go from there . The coaches think JH is the answer , he is only going to learn by getting out there . The coaches have talked about it and feel JH can handle it , if not then DW . Both were PG's in HS. they need actual PT to develop . Ritchie Williams did it , so have others. at numerous schools. Last year the coaches should have done that with Zabo. As of yet there have not been any 5 th year grads visiting .
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Post by sdcoug on Apr 25, 2015 17:29:15 GMT -8
We're still loaded... 5: Spencer, Chol 4: WS3, Zylan 3: Pope, Allen 2: Kell, Shrigley 1: Hemsley, Williams Concur. Not sure where you put in another guy. I love this lineup. Better than this past season's IMO. The entire thing is going to hinge on how well Hemsley does. I think he's the real deal and will light it up. I think with the addition of Zylan, Pope and Hemsley, our shooting woes will be a thing of the past. Think Zylan and Hemsley are more scorers than shooters, but Pope, Kell, and Shrigs should be much improved from the perimeter. Should be fun!
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Post by azzfan on Apr 25, 2015 18:08:54 GMT -8
I'd feel a lot better if we had a proven scorer coming in. If not, we gotta rely on pretty much the same group from last year. The post was disappointing offensively and the PG / SG spots could not distribute or score. This left the wing and 4 to provide points. We know how that turned out. Next year we'll have a frosh PG and the same post players. I'm a huge Aztec fan, but where is this optimism coming from?
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Post by originalshow00 on Apr 25, 2015 18:26:26 GMT -8
Yes there is a learning curve so you start from the first day of practice during the summer school and go from there . The coaches think JH is the answer , he is only going to learn by getting out there . The coaches have talked about it and feel JH can handle it , if not then DW . Both were PG's in HS. they need actual PT to develop . Ritchie Williams did it , so have others. at numerous schools. Last year the coaches should have done that with Zabo. As of yet there have not been any 5 th year grads visiting . I recorded the state championship game and I was not very impressed with Hemsley he missed a bunch of shots and his speed is more of a shooting guard.I agree if he gets better in summer and fall he can help but does not seem like the answer to play 25-35 minutes a game especially as a freshman there would be so many mistakes he would be more of a liability.Williams can he score the basketball or pass we do not know.
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Post by aztecadopter on Apr 25, 2015 21:05:09 GMT -8
We're still loaded... 5: Spencer, Chol 4: WS3, Zylan 3: Pope, Allen 2: Kell, Shrigley 1: Hemsley, Williams Having Hemsley with Kell in the backcourt is great because Kell can handle the ball better than, say Shrigley, to help the freshman out. I also think Shepard is better off in JJ's old position than SG. Only bad thing is he'd have to the top rebounder in that lineup Winston is the top rebounder in any lineup the Aztecs use.
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Post by AztecBill on Apr 26, 2015 0:36:46 GMT -8
Adding a quality PF, with good offense, is the Aztecs biggest need for next year. Shepard can start at SG but only play 10 to 12 minutes there as he would backup SF and PF for the rest of his time on the floor.
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Post by standiego on Apr 26, 2015 7:42:37 GMT -8
There is no savior as a scorer coming to SDSU and doubt there is a fifth year PG . Time for the majority of guys returning to improve their game . JH can handle the PG duties , do not turn over the ball and look for guys to move a get open . We have two vey highly rated forwards Winston and Malik , get the ball into Winston down low and Malik on the wing . Time for Spencer and Chol to get involved in the offense need to get 12 points from the center position each game . Let Kell play his natural position SG , gain his scoring ability back , with assistance from Shrigley . Also time for the coaches to spend as much time and energy on set offensive plays as they do on defense . This could be a very athletic group now use their skills on both ends of the court , scoring as well as defending . Starters for 25 to 30 minuets and reserves the balance. Attack in full speed on both ends . Use the top 10 actively. This group of players has the ability to run and attack the basket . We have a great center Skylar , use a zone more often . Need a lock down defender use D. Allen there and attacking on offense . Motion on offense , move with out the ball , stop the dribbling , pass and move . We have the guys that can jump near the basket a few alley oops .
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Post by csfoster on Apr 26, 2015 8:45:29 GMT -8
There is no savior as a scorer coming to SDSU and doubt there is a fifth year PG . Time for the majority of guys returning to improve their game . JH can handle the PG duties , do not turn over the ball and look for guys to move a get open . We have two vey highly rated forwards Winston and Malik , get the ball into Winston down low and Malik on the wing . Time for Spencer and Chol to get involved in the offense need to get 12 points from the center position each game . Let Kell play his natural position SG , gain his scoring ability back , with assistance from Shrigley . Also time for the coaches to spend as much time and energy on set offensive plays as they do on defense . This could be a very athletic group now use their skills on both ends of the court , scoring as well as defending . Starters for 25 to 30 minuets and reserves the balance. Attack in full speed on both ends . Use the top 10 actively. This group of players has the ability to run and attack the basket . We have a great center Skylar , use a zone more often . Need a lock down defender use D. Allen there and attacking on offense . Motion on offense , move with out the ball , stop the dribbling , pass and move . We have the guys that can jump near the basket a few alley oops . The recipe for success!
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Post by miners22 on Apr 26, 2015 12:49:08 GMT -8
If, and this is a BIG, Hemsley the projected PG starts, would Fisher start Shrigley or Kell at the SG? Again, in my humble opinion, I believe the returning Aztecs can score the ball and etc, but it seems to me that executing their offense was the issue.
Also, last year's team had no offensive presence in the low post. I mean, I did not see any offensive plays/schemes designed for Spencer and Chol. Spencer will be a defensive presence, but I doubt he will produce offensively.
The Bench may not be a strong as last season. Williams, Allen, Cheatham and Chol. The other Freshmen coming in may not be able to contribute early on. We know Williams and Allen are good defenders, but their offense is suspect. Chol has a decent low post game, though. So, Coaching Staff may have to bring Kell off the bench with the second unit instead of being a starter.
And, if Hemsley does not convince Fisher and his Coaching Staff that he is worthy to start as a Freshman at the lead guard spot, I expect that Kell will start at PG and Shrigley at the SG.
My starting line-up:
Kell PG Shrigley SG Shepard Wing Pope Wing Spencer Post
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Post by drshotblock on Apr 26, 2015 15:46:15 GMT -8
If, and this is a BIG, Hemsley the projected PG starts, would Fisher start Shrigley or Kell at the SG? Again, in my humble opinion, I believe the returning Aztecs can score the ball and etc, but it seems to me that executing their offense was the issue. Also, last year's team had no offensive presence in the low post. I mean, I did not see any offensive plays/schemes designed for Spencer and Chol. Spencer will be a defensive presence, but I doubt he will produce offensively. The Bench may not be a strong as last season. Williams, Allen, Cheatham and Chol. The other Freshmen coming in may not be able to contribute early on. We know Williams and Allen are good defenders, but their offense is suspect. Chol has a decent low post game, though. So, Coaching Staff may have to bring Kell off the bench with the second unit instead of being a starter. And, if Hemsley does not convince Fisher and his Coaching Staff that he is worthy to start as a Freshman at the lead guard spot, I expect that Kell will start at PG and Shrigley at the SG. My starting line-up: Kell PG Shrigley SG Shepard Wing Pope Wing Spencer Post That would be a pretty good starting five, with four scorers and solid defense. Seems like a 10-deep team to me with the next five being: Williams, Hemsley, Allen, Cheatham and Chol. At this point, I think that the most minutes are going to go to Shep, Pope and Kell. I think after those guys, Fish mixes it up for matchups, foul situations, hot hand, etc. Seems like the key to next year is going to be offensive flow and chemistry. Looks like as much talent and athleticism as we've ever had. I hope guys are knocking down shots out of the gate so they never fall into the bad vibes of missed shots that plagued us all year this year.
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Post by standiego on Apr 26, 2015 16:01:03 GMT -8
Kell is SG , his natural position . JH even as a freshman is a far better PG then Kell . JH has better vision on the court to see his team mates and create . We have a few easier games to get him used to college ball . Kell was brought in to be a scorer , let him go back and do what he does naturally , not on the job training for the PG
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Post by longtimebooster on Apr 26, 2015 17:02:32 GMT -8
Kell is SG , his natural position . JH even as a freshman is a far better PG then Kell . JH has better vision on the court to see his team mates and create . We have a few easier games to get him used to college ball . Kell was brought in to be a scorer , let him go back and do what he does naturally , not on the job training for the PG Concur. I think Hemsley -- freshman be damned -- is going to be thrown into the fire. And I think he'll do fine. I believe he's a better distributor and ball handler than either AQ was or Kell is. So if he can have a decent season, this team will have the potential to do a lot of damage. From what I've seen and heard of Zylan, it's going to be hard keeping him on the bench. He'll get a lot of minutes, IMO. I think the trio of ZC, JH and MP is an upgrade over what we lost to graduation.
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Post by fredgarvinmp on Apr 26, 2015 21:07:06 GMT -8
Kell is SG , his natural position . JH even as a freshman is a far better PG then Kell . JH has better vision on the court to see his team mates and create . We have a few easier games to get him used to college ball . Kell was brought in to be a scorer , let him go back and do what he does naturally , not on the job training for the PG Concur. I think Hemsley -- freshman be damned -- is going to be thrown into the fire. And I think he'll do fine. I believe he's a better distributor and ball handler than either AQ was or Kell is. So if he can have a decent season, this team will have the potential to do a lot of damage. From what I've seen and heard of Zylan, it's going to be hard keeping him on the bench. He'll get a lot of minutes, IMO. I think the trio of ZC, JH and MP is an upgrade over what we lost to graduation.Wow, this is what I talked about in another post, unrealistic expectations from some folks here in regards to the young kids on this roster. These are certainly kids who may have some potential and eventually may be better than the trio of AQ, JJ and DP , but if you honestly believe that in 2015 two kids who have never played a minute of college basketball and one player who averaged 14 minutes and 5 pts. a game (as a phenom) will come close to replacing the 30 points and 80 min per game the 3 seniors had this year, you have some serious disappointment coming your way. I expect Pope to take the next step with 20-25 min and between 10 -14 points per game, but ZC and JH will be freshman who will need a year or two like any other freshman to figure the NCAA game out and will play well at times and horribly at times. JH may see numbers similar to Kell this year but ZC will contribute off the bench sporadically, my guess is get between 10-13 min game. it's gonna take time for these kids, these are not the freshman you see at Duke or Kentucky, it's gonna take 2 years before you really see them click.
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Post by fredgarvinmp on Apr 26, 2015 21:16:23 GMT -8
Kell is SG , his natural position . JH even as a freshman is a far better PG then Kell . JH has better vision on the court to see his team mates and create . We have a few easier games to get him used to college ball . Kell was brought in to be a scorer , let him go back and do what he does naturally , not on the job training for the PG Could be, but call me when JH has actually played a single minute if NCAA ball.
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Post by dtay2004 on Apr 26, 2015 21:35:20 GMT -8
Concur. I think Hemsley -- freshman be damned -- is going to be thrown into the fire. And I think he'll do fine. I believe he's a better distributor and ball handler than either AQ was or Kell is. So if he can have a decent season, this team will have the potential to do a lot of damage. From what I've seen and heard of Zylan, it's going to be hard keeping him on the bench. He'll get a lot of minutes, IMO. I think the trio of ZC, JH and MP is an upgrade over what we lost to graduation.Wow, this is what I talked about in another post, unrealistic expectations from some folks here in regards to the young kids on this roster. These are certainly kids who may have some potential and eventually may be better than the trio of AQ, JJ and DP , but if you honestly believe that in 2015 two kids who have never played a minute of college basketball and one player who averaged 14 minutes and 5 pts. a game (as a phenom) will come close to replacing the 30 points and 80 min per game the 3 seniors had this year, you have some serious disappointment coming your way. I expect Pope to take the next step with 20-25 min and between 10 -14 points per game, but ZC and JH will be freshman who will need a year or two like any other freshman to figure the NCAA game out and will play well at times and horribly at times. JH may see numbers similar to Kell this year but ZC will contribute off the bench sporadically, my guess is get between 10-13 min game. it's gonna take time for these kids, these are not the freshman you see at Duke or Kentucky, it's gonna take 2 years before you really see them click. Isn't that funny how that works. Fans just went through a whole year watching Malik Pope and Trey Kell adjusting to the upgrade from high school basketball to college basketball. Both players needed to learn when to become aggressive and when to be passive. Both needed to learn how to control the pace of the game, learn when to push the pace and when to get their own shot. Both players had to adjust to the better athletes they faced compared to high school competition. Both players had to learn how to be stronger with your dribble, I really can go on and on. Yet those same fans expect Hemsley and Cheatham to come in and just totally surpass all those growing pains. Fans expect these young players to be stars right off the bat and when they don't live up to their unreal expectations, terms like "Bust" and "overrated" start to get tossed around Even though I expect Cheatham to start, I don't expect him to be a major contributor right off the bat. The same should be expected from Hemsley as well. Our star players will be Kell,Winston,Chol and Pope on the offensive side. Everybody else will just need to play their role and wait their turn to become go-to guys.
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Post by longtimebooster on Apr 27, 2015 7:37:48 GMT -8
Well, a few things:
1. I never said I expected the new kids to roll out of bed and become overnight superstars. That's silly. 2. What I did say -- and continue to think -- is that our season pretty much hinges upon how well Hemsley can adapt to the college game and run the point. If he's not able to swim with the big fishes in the big pond and needs another year or two or three to marinate, we're probably going to have another clunky offense. But if he's able to show the same flashes of brilliance he showed in h.s. and he's able to provide Fisher & Co. with the services of a true PG, this team will be transformed from an offensive side of the equation. We'll be like a Swiss Army Knife -- lots of different tools available. Shepard. Pope. Chol. Skylar. Cheatham. Shrigley. There are a lots of options a good PG could dish to. 3. Cheatham's not a true freshman. He's had a year to learn the system as a redshirt. He's not going to come in cold. Pope has had a half season to knock the rust off his game. Plus, he'll have the entire offseason and fall to come in fully prepared. You'll see a different guy, I'm sure. And Hemsley has played the point all four years in h.s. He will be very polished for a freshman. He was the L.A. Times POY and lead his team to the Div. III State Championship. We beat out the Zags and UConn to land him. He's not your garden variety PG. And I would venture to say that he's the best PG Fisher has recruited out of h.s. The coaching staff is very, very high on him. Now, I'm not saying he's better than R. Williams or DJ Gay or X Thames, but he has a chance to be, so we'll see. 4. When I said that JH, ZC and MP are an upgrade over JJ, AQ and DP, I certainly don't mean that they're a shoe-in to outperform those guys right out of the gate as underclassmen. However, I will clearly and unequivocally state that the upside of the current trio is much, much higher than the upside of the outgoing trio. Pope has a legit shot at becoming a lottery pick. Cheatham has an NBA body and athleticism. And Hemsley is a true PG who has a better tool kit, handles, speed and height than AQ, whom I loved and was scrappier than a junk-yard dog. 5. There's certainly a chance that these three will take another year or two or three to blossom and reach their potential. But don't sleep on them. They could certainly come out of the gate strong and surprise everyone. I'm not saying they will. I'm saying they might. And that would be a beautiful thing.
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Post by standiego on Apr 27, 2015 8:35:54 GMT -8
If you want to get back to SW16 or better , you need to take a step forward , that starts with JH at PG . yes he will make mistakes but should learn from them . We do have some difficult games during OOC , At Utah , possibly CAL , WVU , Kansas so he will be tested . improve as the OOC goes on into MW : BSU( will also have a freshman) , UNLV .... then should be ready to show what he can do and help the team in MM , where he will no longer be a green freshman . The Kell experiment did not wotk because he was not a PG , so why continue instead put him at his natural position , where we will also need good play SG . There was not consistent play at either guard spot last year . We have Shepard and Pope at the forwards , They both are very athletic and know the D . As noted Zylan also knows the system ,so should be able to make contributions , rebounding , scoring and enthusiasm - red shirt freshman .D. Allen could get even better with an up tempo offense that pushes quick transition going to the basket - with emphasis on FINISHING.
There is no savior transfer . Most of the good ones have signed at other schools . The coaches want the current roster to have a chance to develop , you get that by using the summer to work on your game and then playing . Some think Tollefsen was going to be the savior scorer . But he must have figured out that when Malik and Winston both said they were coming back ,plus Zlan in the wings , Arizona was better for him . Will be interesting to see how well he does there . He is a good player but only time will tell if he is the savior for Arizona .
Aztec coaches are already on the 2016 recruiting trail , even 2017 . Other then really hoping to land N. Narain for 2015 - player or red shirt or 2016 . 2016 recruits are major importance for reloading .
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Post by sdcoug on Apr 27, 2015 8:51:39 GMT -8
If you want to get back to SW16 or better , you need to take a step forward , that starts with JH at PG . yes he will make mistakes but should learn from them . We do have some difficult games during OOC , At Utah , possibly CAL , WVU , Kansas so he will be tested . improve as the OOC goes on into MW : BSU( will also have a freshman) , UNLV .... then should be ready to show what he can do and help the team in MM , where he will no longer be a green freshman . The Kell experiment did not wotk because he was not a PG , so why continue instead put him at his natural position , where we will also need good play SG . There was not consistent play at either guard spot last year . Kell will continue to get several minutes at PG IMO, and that would be an upgrade over last year. The biggest growth is typically between the FR & SO year, and don't expect Kell to be any different. He's more than capable of being a quality PG - he's proven it off & on last year, and with another year of experience comes fewer "offs".
Williams will also improve IMO, as he was really hampered by injuries last year. He had a stretch where he brought quality minutes each time.
I do agree Hemsley will win the starting job, if not right away by mid November. He has the most upside at that spot. But that doesn't mean Kell can't be effective or Williams couldn't be a quality player. The past does not define the future.
Overall, I think our guards will be improved between Hemsley, Kell, Williams, Allen, Shrigs, & Winston (I have Pope as a #3-#4). We lost Polee most of last year, and although I loved AQ's heart & his occasional amazing streaks, I think these guys can more than make up for that.
I do worry about filling JJ's void though. Pope & Zylan are ultra talented, but they have no where near JJ's BBIQ, nor defensive ability. Hopefully their athleticism will help overcome those deficiencies. I'll also be curious to see how many minutes Jones gets at the #4, if any?
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