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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Apr 18, 2015 9:43:53 GMT -8
As you said , The P5 has its own set of rules , and leverage . they are going to do what is best for their team , Do what is best for their football team's OOC , they can present opportunities to a P5 or G5 team for a OOC game , if they take it fine if not on to the next . Agree there is only one goal that determines if this is a successful season , at least get to the MW Championship game , winning it is even better . Or even better get to the Best G5 Bowl ( same one BSU played in last year ) . Slogan for 2015" Just Win It - No excuses ."This!
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Apr 18, 2015 10:18:29 GMT -8
This is something that has perked my curiosity, especially with all the talk around the message board about how difficult is has been getting a "name" school to play at the Q as part of a home-and-home. If SDSU could get the schools mentioned below (and Wazzu and Oregon State before) to visit the Q, how much more would they need to shell out, to get a "name" school from the midwest or east to play at the Q? Once again, these are the Pac-12 schools the Aztecs host in the near future. In each of these, SDSU plays at the opponent the year before hosting them: 2016: Cal 2018: Arizona State 2020: UCLA 2022: Arizona Since 2000, there has been a home game vs Ohio State that was switched to yet another road game in Columbus since SDSU apparently needed the cash. Also, a home game vs Wisconsin was opted out for a home game vs I-forgot-who (the away game in Madison was the hard-fought 0-14 loss in 2006). Point being, the Aztecs have had opportunities to host an opponent from a power conference (but not of the Pac-12), but have failed to see it through for whatever reason. The last true power conference (non Pac-12) school to play at Qualcomm was Illinois on 09/09/2000. Home & Home = zero $ or very little $
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Post by AztecWilliam on Apr 18, 2015 10:40:03 GMT -8
As you said , The P5 has its own set of rules , and leverage . they are going to do what is best for their team , Do what is best for their football team's OOC , they can present opportunities to a P5 or G5 team for a OOC game , if they take it fine if not on to the next . Agree there is only one goal that determines if this is a successful season , at least get to the MW Championship game , winning it is even better . Or even better get to the Best G5 Bowl ( same one BSU played in last year ) . Slogan for 2015" Just Win It - No excuses ."This! Absolutely! But this actually means something only if Sterk says it . . . and means it! As for me, if I were the AD, another 7-6 season (or worse) would mean the end of the Rocky Long tenure at SDSU. Period. 8-5? Might depend on circumstances. Did we lose a close one to a good team due to a blunder by the officials such as cost us the win at Missouri in '10? Were there a number of serious injuries to key players early in the season? Or, contrariwise, did we flat out blow it against a couple of beatable MWC teams and then fall flat against another mediocre team in a bowl game? (Such as Louisiana in '11 and Navy last year.) I'd like to think that even 8-5 in 2015 is not acceptable. If this were five or six years ago, it would be a different story. But only 8 wins (worse yet 7 or fewer) at this point just won't cut it. Not if we aim to pull even with Boise State. 9-4? I'd probably keep Rocky for one more year, especially if it looked like a really solid lineup was coming back for '16. For me, nine wins is betwixt and between. When we think of Aztec football generally from 1980 up to this year, a nine win season would certainly be considered really good. But we have had two nine win seasons recently, and arguably would have had a third had it not been for a very bizarre last second penalty in the Louisiana Bowl. Therefore, nine wins is no longer exceptional at SDSU. A 9-4 season is still pretty good for the Aztecs, but not good enough to convince us that SDSU will soon be considered the class of the MWC. If we end up 9-4 due to another disappointing bowl loss and . . . very important . . . we are aware of a really excellent HD looking again for a job (e.g., one who had been a HC in the NFL but was let go), I'd retire Rocky and hire that great prospect eager to coach in college again. We should have done that on a couple of occasions in the past. Rich Brooks was available in 2002; why in heaven's name did we pass him by and instead hire Tom Craft? If such a coach is available and, even better, has expressed interest in SDSU, bring him in even if SDSU has won 9 games this Fall. 10 or more wins? Well, since we have not won 10 since 1977, a 10-win season would of course win Rocky another season. I think the most important thing is for the university to realize that only with a stronger product on the field will Aztec football survive. This isn't Wyoming, which is the only college in its state and therefore the pride of all Wyomingites. Or New Mexico, where there are only two big time universities, and the Lobos will probably always get the lion's share of the state's resources as regards sports. This is California, with about a zillion colleges and universities counting the UC and CSU systems. We have to make our own way, and doing things on the cheap when hiring coaches is not the way to go. And that means not hiring a JC coach (sorry, Tom) and not keeping a sitting coach just because 7 or 8 wins a year is "not too bad." AzWm
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Post by tonatiuh on Apr 18, 2015 19:44:28 GMT -8
For all the complaining about our inability to bring "name " teams to the Q, let's look at how well national darling Boise State has fared in this department. Here are Boise's OOChome opponents the last couple seasons. 2015 - Washington and Idaho State 2014 - Louisiana lafayette 2013 - UT Martin and SMU 2012 - Miami (Ohio) and BYU NOt terribly impressive. And they have a bigger budget than us. Yet, despite it, their fans still show up, they still get national coverage, they win and they go to good bowls. Food for thought. And that, dear friends, is crucial. We used to draw 35,000 plus when Coryell was here despite the no-name opponents that came to town. In that way, Boise is where we were in '65-'70. The difference is that the Broncos have been D-1 for a long, long time, and the Aztecs didn't make D-1 until the '69-'70 season. Somehow, some way, we need to boost true average attendance to at least the 30,000 to 35,000 level. Beating Cal and or Penn State this year and then making it at least to the MWC championship game would be a big start. AzWm More like 40-45K when Coryell coached here. I was at a few of those. It usually took about an hour to to get out of the stadium with all the traffic. AzWm, here is the home average for the Aztecs in 2013, 33,224. And, that was about a 3,000 per game increase over 2012 when we drew an average of 30,879. So, we are actually right around the number you ask for.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Apr 18, 2015 22:48:50 GMT -8
And that, dear friends, is crucial. We used to draw 35,000 plus when Coryell was here despite the no-name opponents that came to town. In that way, Boise is where we were in '65-'70. The difference is that the Broncos have been D-1 for a long, long time, and the Aztecs didn't make D-1 until the '69-'70 season. Somehow, some way, we need to boost true average attendance to at least the 30,000 to 35,000 level. Beating Cal and or Penn State this year and then making it at least to the MWC championship game would be a big start. AzWm More like 40-45K when Coryell coached here. I was at a few of those. It usually took about an hour to to get out of the stadium with all the traffic. AzWm, here is the home average for the Aztecs in 2013, 33,224. And, that was about a 3,000 per game increase over 2012 when we drew an average of 30,879. So, we are actually right around the number you ask for. But what was the real attendance, meaning actual fans in the seats? Based on figures I have read in the past, the actual attendance is usually quite a bit less than the announced attendance. In the late '60s, the stands really were filled. AzWm
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Post by myownwords on Apr 19, 2015 8:58:42 GMT -8
And that, dear friends, is crucial. We used to draw 35,000 plus when Coryell was here despite the no-name opponents that came to town. In that way, Boise is where we were in '65-'70. The difference is that the Broncos have been D-1 for a long, long time, and the Aztecs didn't make D-1 until the '69-'70 season. Somehow, some way, we need to boost true average attendance to at least the 30,000 to 35,000 level. Beating Cal and or Penn State this year and then making it at least to the MWC championship game would be a big start. AzWm More like 40-45K when Coryell coached here. I was at a few of those. It usually took about an hour to to get out of the stadium with all the traffic. AzWm, here is the home average for the Aztecs in 2013, 33,224. And, that was about a 3,000 per game increase over 2012 when we drew an average of 30,879. So, we are actually right around the number you ask for. But then last year attendance fell off by about 1,000. Actual seats filled seemed to drop even more.
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Post by aardvark on Apr 19, 2015 9:14:30 GMT -8
More like 40-45K when Coryell coached here. I was at a few of those. It usually took about an hour to to get out of the stadium with all the traffic. AzWm, here is the home average for the Aztecs in 2013, 33,224. And, that was about a 3,000 per game increase over 2012 when we drew an average of 30,879. So, we are actually right around the number you ask for. But what was the real attendance, meaning actual fans in the seats? Based on figures I have read in the past, the actual attendance is usually quite a bit less than the announced attendance. In the late '60s, the stands really were filled. AzWm Turnstile count for 2013 was 22,954. For 2012 it was 20,560.
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Post by HighNTight on Apr 19, 2015 9:29:15 GMT -8
But what was the real attendance, meaning actual fans in the seats? Based on figures I have read in the past, the actual attendance is usually quite a bit less than the announced attendance. In the late '60s, the stands really were filled. AzWm Turnstile count for 2013 was 22,954. For 2012 it was 20,560. How should we quantify and qualify the differences? We can use a nice round number of 10K ... does anyone know specifically what part of that was unused purchased tickets and what part of that is unused distributed tickets? It might be interesting to know what part of the difference between announced attendance and turnstile count for football is because of the points system for basketball tickets. Is there some enterprising individual who wants to deep dive those numbers to differentiate games not played on Saturday or if different kick-off times have an effect on attendance. Of course there are other factors that could be acknowledged -- like Sky Show Games, season openers, senior night, homecoming and games against teams like Boise St, BYU or TCU vs. games against New Mexico, San Jose St or UNLV.
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Post by aardvark on Apr 19, 2015 10:14:07 GMT -8
Turnstile count for 2013 was 22,954. For 2012 it was 20,560. How should we quantify and qualify the differences? We can use a nice round number of 10K ... does anyone know specifically what part of that was unused purchased tickets and what part of that is unused distributed tickets? It might be interesting to know what part of the difference between announced attendance and turnstile count for football is because of the points system for basketball tickets. Is there some enterprising individual who wants to deep dive those numbers to differentiate games not played on Saturday or if different kick-off times have an effect on attendance. Of course there are other factors that could be acknowledged -- like Sky Show Games, season openers, senior night, homecoming and games against teams like Boise St, BYU or TCU vs. games against New Mexico, San Jose St or UNLV. It sucks not having consistent kickoff times, but I'm not sure that is a valid reason for poor attendance anymore. Thanks to TV (and what $$ it brings--such as they are), I think all Aztec fans are now used to the fact that no two games start at the same time.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Apr 19, 2015 10:28:08 GMT -8
In direct answer to the original question what does it cost.....I don't know, but I'm willing to bet it's a lot more than can be sustained by the 15,000 folks in attendance. The "original question" was about Pac-12 opponents and we always get more than double that amount for them.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Apr 19, 2015 10:34:57 GMT -8
More like 40-45K when Coryell coached here. I was at a few of those. It usually took about an hour to to get out of the stadium with all the traffic. AzWm, here is the home average for the Aztecs in 2013, 33,224. And, that was about a 3,000 per game increase over 2012 when we drew an average of 30,879. So, we are actually right around the number you ask for. But then last year attendance fell off by about 1,000. Actual seats filled seemed to drop even more. Just checked and the announced attendance for last year's regular season finale against SJSU was 24,391. Having had my cheeks planted firmly in one of the seats the entire game, I can say that the maximum number of butts all game was probably half that and by the time the game ended, there literally couldn't have been more than 3,000 of us in the stadium. You would have thought it was an Eastern Michigan home game. Well, except for the fact it wasn't held in tiny Ypsilanti and there wasn't snow on the ground. SJSU needs to leave the MWC except for football and SDSU needs to start regularly curb stomping such dreck and immensely improving the OOC competition at the Q.
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Post by standiego on Apr 19, 2015 10:39:05 GMT -8
The AD needs to get out this summer into the communities of San Diego and help grow the basic grass roots support for people to come out to watch "their own San Diego 1 college team " Earn the fans of San Diego "s support with a personal touch not just marketing with billboards . Human Contact in the communities . Never going to be a real fan base until fans are coming to watch the home team . Need a championship team - WIN IT NOW- NO EXCUSES . Basic Goal for Rocky to say we are successful . Get into the MW Championship Game / Win It would also help .
Would also guess when the PAC schools come here to play . SDSU will market the game to the Fans from those schools . In addition to our market .
Bottom line start working on community involvement personal in all the communities of San Diego and a Championship Winning Team .
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Apr 19, 2015 11:16:50 GMT -8
Let's take this discussion to where, along with several other threads, it is understandably evolving. In the four months since this: www.goaztecs.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/122314aag.html , just what has Sterk done to suggest that campaign was nothing more than window dressing? Actually, he's done exactly the opposite. Let me count the ways. 1. Although rumors have been rampant since Thanksgiving that Rocky had been lobbying Sterk for additional money to replace Bob Toledo with a top notch, experienced OC and even without apparently getting any additional money, Rocky interviewed at least two guys from outside the program, we ended up simply promoting Jeff Horton. 2. Even given the heated additional debate about the stadium after the Chargers' threat of two months ago to move to Carson, Sterk has come out with only the vaguest of comments about SDSU's contingency plan(s) in the event that occurred. 3. Instead of showing the B12 that we're a good candidate for expansion when the time comes and therefore coming up with the money necessary to buy out a legit FCS school's scheduled first game to get them into Qualcomm on Sept. 5, Sterk schedules USD in what has to be considered the most ridiculous football scheduling since Rick Bay brought two FCS opponents to the Q a dozen years ago. 4. Although the latter faux pas would supposedly be negated by a subsequent big announcement about a really impressive home and home with a high quality P5 opponent, almost two weeks after that announcement, we've still heard hide nor hair about what that allegedly wonderful future home game will be. God it's tough to be an SDSU football fan sometimes.
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Post by myownwords on Apr 19, 2015 11:31:24 GMT -8
But then last year attendance fell off by about 1,000. Actual seats filled seemed to drop even more. Just checked and the announced attendance for last year's regular season finale against SJSU was 24,391. Having had my cheeks planted firmly in one of the seats the entire game, I can say that the maximum number of butts all game was probably half that and by the time the game ended, there literally couldn't have been more than 3,000 of us in the stadium. You would have thought it was an Eastern Michigan home game. Well, except for the fact it wasn't held in tiny Ypsilanti and there wasn't snow on the ground. SJSU needs to leave the MWC except for football and SDSU needs to start regularly curb stomping such dreck and immensely improving the OOC competition at the Q. Very disheartening. Don't think the crowds will show up in the 40,000 plus range until our team does as you've suggested, and wins some games against what fans consider to be "historically" big names. Oregon State and Utah or Colorado don't cut it. I don't even think the two Arizona teams would draw that well. Nor would the average fan be that impressed if we beat them.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Apr 19, 2015 11:40:23 GMT -8
Gotta beat a ranked team from OUTside our lousy conference. Fish did so by blowing out Okie State at Cox Arena in his fourth year. Can Rocky emulate Fish? Well, he sure can't if Sterk doesn't schedule such opponents to come to our house.
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Post by myownwords on Apr 19, 2015 11:41:42 GMT -8
Let's take this discussion to where, along with several other threads, it is understandably evolving. In the four months since this: www.goaztecs.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/122314aag.html , just what has Sterk done to suggest that campaign was nothing more than window dressing? Actually, he's done exactly the opposite. Let me count the ways. 1. Although rumors have been rampant since Thanksgiving that Rocky had been lobbying Sterk for additional money to replace Bob Toledo with a top notch, experienced OC and even without apparently getting any additional money, Rocky interviewed at least two guys from outside the program, we ended up simply promoting Jeff Horton. 2. Even given the heated additional debate about the stadium after the Chargers' threat of two months ago to move to Carson, Sterk has come out with only the vaguest of comments about SDSU's contingency plan(s) in the event that occurred. 3. Instead of showing the B12 that we're a good candidate for expansion when the time comes and therefore coming up with the money necessary to buy out a legit FCS school's scheduled first game to get them into Qualcomm on Sept. 5, Sterk schedules USD in what has to be considered the most ridiculous football scheduling since Rick Bay brought two FCS opponents to the Q a dozen years ago. 4. Although the latter faux pas would supposedly be negated by a subsequent big announcement about a really impressive home and home with a high quality P5 opponent, almost two weeks after that announcement, we've still heard hide nor hair about what that allegedly wonderful future home game will be. God it's tough to be an SDSU football fan sometimes. This truly does get to the heart of the matter. You did not say this, but I will: Sterk and Hirshman do not have a passion for the football program. If this apathy toward this program continues another few years, we will likely have to drop to FCS level. Those two men are simply not up to the task.
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Post by myownwords on Apr 19, 2015 11:53:51 GMT -8
The AD needs to get out this summer into the communities of San Diego and help grow the basic grass roots support for people to come out to watch "their own San Diego 1 college team " Earn the fans of San Diego "s support with a personal touch not just marketing with billboards . Human Contact in the communities . Never going to be a real fan base until fans are coming to watch the home team . Need a championship team - WIN IT NOW- NO EXCUSES . Basic Goal for Rocky to say we are successful . Get into the MW Championship Game / Win It would also help . Would also guess when the PAC schools come here to play . SDSU will market the game to the Fans from those schools . In addition to our market . Bottom line start working on community involvement personal in all the communities of San Diego and a Championship Winning Team . Don't count on AD Sterk doing anything but the bare minimum expected of his position, when it comes to football. He will do the perfunctory radio show, the glad-handing cocktail party and all the requisite interviews and minimalist speeches. But you will not see aggressive and "loud" fundraising efforts within the community. The name Jim Sterk will never have community panache, or significance, because he is either incompetent or apathetic when it comes to football.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Apr 19, 2015 12:29:14 GMT -8
The AD needs to get out this summer into the communities of San Diego and help grow the basic grass roots support for people to come out to watch "their own San Diego 1 college team " Earn the fans of San Diego "s support with a personal touch not just marketing with billboards . Human Contact in the communities . Never going to be a real fan base until fans are coming to watch the home team . Need a championship team - WIN IT NOW- NO EXCUSES . Basic Goal for Rocky to say we are successful . Get into the MW Championship Game / Win It would also help . Would also guess when the PAC schools come here to play . SDSU will market the game to the Fans from those schools . In addition to our market . Bottom line start working on community involvement personal in all the communities of San Diego and a Championship Winning Team . So in 2012 attendance was reported to be 30K but the actual number in the stands was 20K. Hmmm. By all means let's improve our community involvement, but the answer is to win 10 or more games per season. That's why Rocky, in order to keep his job, should be on notice that the team must win at least N games (you name the number; mine would be 9, but only then if that included an impressive bowl win to cap off the season). Allowing a coach to hang on with 7 or 8 wins a year when it's clear that such a level of success is not adequate to boost the standing of the program is foolish. Especially when the coach is nearing retirement anyway. If this were Idaho, Eastern Michigan, or New Mexico State, eight wins would be cause for jubilation. Here? Please! AzWm
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Post by AztecWilliam on Apr 19, 2015 12:47:31 GMT -8
The AD needs to get out this summer into the communities of San Diego and help grow the basic grass roots support for people to come out to watch "their own San Diego 1 college team " Earn the fans of San Diego "s support with a personal touch not just marketing with billboards . Human Contact in the communities . Never going to be a real fan base until fans are coming to watch the home team . Need a championship team - WIN IT NOW- NO EXCUSES . Basic Goal for Rocky to say we are successful . Get into the MW Championship Game / Win It would also help . Would also guess when the PAC schools come here to play . SDSU will market the game to the Fans from those schools . In addition to our market . Bottom line start working on community involvement personal in all the communities of San Diego and a Championship Winning Team . Don't count on AD Sterk doing anything but the bare minimum expected of his position, when it comes to football. He will do the perfunctory radio show, the glad-handing cocktail party and all the requisite interviews and minimalist speeches. But you will not see aggressive and "loud" fundraising efforts within the community. The name Jim Sterk will never have community panache, or significance, because he is either incompetent or apathetic when it comes to football. And as I have posted before (sorry if this gets repetitive), there is a reason why Boise State is very good and we are a tiny step above mediocre. BSU's leadership wanted to have a top notch FB program and took the appropriate steps to make that happen. Here, the leadership seems somewhat disinterested. If the president at a school wants a Top-25 program, there is a decent chance that said goal will be achieved. If he or she doesn't care too much either way, there is very little chance that a Top25 ranking will become a reality. It all starts with leadership. AzWm
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Apr 19, 2015 13:29:35 GMT -8
William, SDSU's president doesn't make that decision in a vacuum. Just off the top of my head, he is somewhat constrained by policies set by the Chancellor's Office, the extent to which the faculty disagree with further emphasis on football and lobby against it through the faculty senate and their union, how much such other external factors such as the Big 50, the Director's Cabinet, the Campanile Foundation and the Aztec Club view football, etc.
I really only know what I've heard from others in that regard and it isn't particularly favorable. Instead, the general attitude appears to reflect that of San Diego as a whole concerning government. Which is that attractive public edifices are nice and all, but I shouldn't have to pay more than a buck fitty to accomplish that. Such outside entities do not appear to have anywhere near such a negative influence on Boise State's president Kustra.
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