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Post by cvtower on Apr 15, 2015 15:40:58 GMT -8
This is something that has perked my curiosity, especially with all the talk around the message board about how difficult is has been getting a "name" school to play at the Q as part of a home-and-home. If SDSU could get the schools mentioned below (and Wazzu and Oregon State before) to visit the Q, how much more would they need to shell out, to get a "name" school from the midwest or east to play at the Q?
Once again, these are the Pac-12 schools the Aztecs host in the near future. In each of these, SDSU plays at the opponent the year before hosting them:
2016: Cal 2018: Arizona State 2020: UCLA 2022: Arizona
Since 2000, there has been a home game vs Ohio State that was switched to yet another road game in Columbus since SDSU apparently needed the cash. Also, a home game vs Wisconsin was opted out for a home game vs I-forgot-who (the away game in Madison was the hard-fought 0-14 loss in 2006). Point being, the Aztecs have had opportunities to host an opponent from a power conference (but not of the Pac-12), but have failed to see it through for whatever reason. The last true power conference (non Pac-12) school to play at Qualcomm was Illinois on 09/09/2000.
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Post by sdsudevil on Apr 15, 2015 15:44:21 GMT -8
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Apr 15, 2015 15:46:46 GMT -8
They count & Wazzu "Couged it!"
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2015 15:47:32 GMT -8
We hosted UCLA when Craft was here too(I think)...but I think he means non PAC P5s
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Post by Gundo on Apr 16, 2015 1:48:02 GMT -8
Our cash comes from playing on the road. I am pretty sure we get paid before we paid out the following year. Smart business. But given all the P5 BS of only playing P5 schools, we need to get ahead of the schedule and not have a USD debacle like this year.
Regional games play better on TV, sorry but the South Alabama home and home doesn't do much for TV$. Perhaps it opens up recruiting if we play well, but seriously, all "the players" are going to be following Bama. No Illinois, similar but at least they have been ranked an draw kids and viewers from Chicago. discuss or discus as some of us would say.
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Post by AztecSports95 on Apr 16, 2015 6:31:44 GMT -8
For all the complaining about our inability to bring "name " teams to the Q, let's look at how well national darling Boise State has fared in this department. Here are Boise's OOChome opponents the last couple seasons. 2015 - Washington and Idaho State 2014 - Louisiana lafayette 2013 - UT Martin and SMU 2012 - Miami (Ohio) and BYU
NOt terribly impressive. And they have a bigger budget than us. Yet, despite it, their fans still show up, they still get national coverage, they win and they go to good bowls.
Food for thought.
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Post by obboy13 on Apr 16, 2015 10:05:33 GMT -8
The Aztecs got those away games when they were considered cannon fodder, or schedule fillers. As the team has gotten marginally better teams that recruit in San Diego have become a bit more reluctant to visit here because a loss would hurt them in the eyes of potential recruits, and the attendance isn't large enough to generate a payday big enough to overcome their reluctance. In direct answer to the original question what does it cost.....I don't know, but I'm willing to bet it's a lot more than can be sustained by the 15,000 folks in attendance.
Not sure what the fix is except to talk about the Q like a field of dreams. If you fill it-they will come.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 18:44:32 GMT -8
As far as I know, all those games were a part of home and home agreements... Meaning we don't pay them to play is here and they don't pay us to pay us there.
Only in single games with no return game does one school pay the other.
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Post by sdcoug on Apr 16, 2015 22:16:40 GMT -8
As far as I know, all those games were a part of home and home agreements... Meaning we don't pay them to play is here and they don't pay us to pay us there. Only in single games with no return game does one school pay the other. This. There's no downside. Fairly easy travel for road part and increased attendance for home.
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Post by cvtower on Apr 17, 2015 0:02:37 GMT -8
As far as I know, all those games were a part of home and home agreements... Meaning we don't pay them to play is here and they don't pay us to pay us there. Only in single games with no return game does one school pay the other. Oh ok. I understand now
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Post by robthevol on Apr 17, 2015 8:38:19 GMT -8
I don't believe that "we don't pay them to play here and they don't pay us to play there". It is not that simple
Washington State came to SDSU as part of a home and away deal. SDSU went to WSU several years ago and got a small guarantee. Jim Sterk, who was the AD at Washington State at the time, insisted that the Cougers get a flat $250,000 for the return visit to San Diego. That was a lot of money. When Sterk became AD at SDSU he called for completion of the contract and WSU wanted out. The $250,000 was now small change and SDSU was a better team than the one that visited five years before.
If you remember, WSU came to San Diego in conjunction with the fireworks show and assorted promotion and we had close to 50,000 paid attendance. Gavin Escobar caught a high turn around pass from Ryan Lindley in the end zone with two WSU PAC12 dbs holding and pushing and SDSU won. The WSU coach was fired and the end of the season.
There is no PAC12 team that will now go anywhere for a paltry $250,000. I would like to know the financial arrangements Sterk has made with these PAC12 teams that are coming here in the next few years.
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Post by namssa on Apr 17, 2015 9:27:09 GMT -8
Usually in a home and away deal there is no money that is paid out with the exception of a nominal fee to cover travel costs. Just a guess, but I suspect the deals with the PAC-12 schools outlined are the same.
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Post by HighNTight on Apr 17, 2015 9:30:00 GMT -8
I don't believe that "we don't pay them to play here and they don't pay us to play there". It is not that simple Washington State came to SDSU as part of a home and away deal. SDSU went to WSU several years ago and got a small guarantee. Jim Sterk, who was the AD at Washington State at the time, insisted that the Cougers get a flat $250,000 for the return visit to San Diego. That was a lot of money. When Sterk became AD at SDSU he called for completion of the contract and WSU wanted out. The $250,000 was now small change and SDSU was a better team than the one that visited five years before. If you remember, WSU came to San Diego in conjunction with the fireworks show and assorted promotion and we had close to 50,000 paid attendance. Gavin Escobar caught a high turn around pass from Ryan Lindley in the end zone with two WSU PAC12 dbs holding and pushing and SDSU won. The WSU coach was fired and the end of the season. There is no PAC12 team that will now go anywhere for a paltry $250,000. I would like to know the financial arrangements Sterk has made with these PAC12 teams that are coming here in the next few years. Home & Homes are not usually arranged as an exchange of fees or payments -- however, almost every Home & Home contract comes with a specific fee or penalty to be paid by either party to cancel or otherwise fail to complete their part of the agreement. 2-for-1's can have an extra payment to the team that gets the "1" making it seem more like a H&H + body bag game
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Post by standiego on Apr 17, 2015 10:08:44 GMT -8
Most of us believe when you do an away then home series , it is a push even trade one for one . Or at least it used to be . Is it for the next few years not sure any of us know . Or will it be , as the P5 schools have most of the leverage . the PAC has a 9 game conference and only 3 OOC . They get plenty of money from TV deals . Each P5 school could decide what type of opponent it needs on its schedule, to help it get into the championship series or for a chance at a medium rated bowl . Do they need to play a decent opponent or need an easy win . How much they will pay for a "money game " say at Ohio State -road game only . Or will they demand extra money even in an away home series , going forward . They have all the leverage . Oregon could say , we pay you zero to have you play up here and want X for coming down here to play . They are going to going to get the best deal they can arrange depending on what they need . As the Championship Series and Bowl game picture changes so will OOC scheduling . We have very little bargaining power . This year did we lose an OOC game because a team was going to get more money to travel to another school that would pa more . Money and Power .
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Post by AztecWilliam on Apr 17, 2015 11:07:04 GMT -8
For all the complaining about our inability to bring "name " teams to the Q, let's look at how well national darling Boise State has fared in this department. Here are Boise's OOChome opponents the last couple seasons. 2015 - Washington and Idaho State 2014 - Louisiana lafayette 2013 - UT Martin and SMU 2012 - Miami (Ohio) and BYU NOt terribly impressive. And they have a bigger budget than us. Yet, despite it, their fans still show up, they still get national coverage, they win and they go to good bowls. Food for thought. And that, dear friends, is crucial. We used to draw 35,000 plus when Coryell was here despite the no-name opponents that came to town. In that way, Boise is where we were in '65-'70. The difference is that the Broncos have been D-1 for a long, long time, and the Aztecs didn't make D-1 until the '69-'70 season. Somehow, some way, we need to boost true average attendance to at least the 30,000 to 35,000 level. Beating Cal and or Penn State this year and then making it at least to the MWC championship game would be a big start. AzWm
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Post by AztecWilliam on Apr 17, 2015 11:10:52 GMT -8
I don't believe that "we don't pay them to play here and they don't pay us to play there". It is not that simple Washington State came to SDSU as part of a home and away deal. SDSU went to WSU several years ago and got a small guarantee. Jim Sterk, who was the AD at Washington State at the time, insisted that the Cougers get a flat $250,000 for the return visit to San Diego. That was a lot of money. When Sterk became AD at SDSU he called for completion of the contract and WSU wanted out. The $250,000 was now small change and SDSU was a better team than the one that visited five years before. If you remember, WSU came to San Diego in conjunction with the fireworks show and assorted promotion and we had close to 50,000 paid attendance. Gavin Escobar caught a high turn around pass from Ryan Lindley in the end zone with two WSU PAC12 dbs holding and pushing and SDSU won. The WSU coach was fired and the end of the season. There is no PAC12 team that will now go anywhere for a paltry $250,000. I would like to know the financial arrangements Sterk has made with these PAC12 teams that are coming here in the next few years. Would that information not we considered accessible to the public? SDSU is not a private institution. AzWm
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 12:26:35 GMT -8
For all the complaining about our inability to bring "name " teams to the Q, let's look at how well national darling Boise State has fared in this department. Here are Boise's OOChome opponents the last couple seasons. 2015 - Washington and Idaho State 2014 - Louisiana lafayette 2013 - UT Martin and SMU 2012 - Miami (Ohio) and BYU NOt terribly impressive. And they have a bigger budget than us. Yet, despite it, their fans still show up, they still get national coverage, they win and they go to good bowls. Food for thought. And that, dear friends, is crucial. We used to draw 35,000 plus when Coryell was here despite the no-name opponents that came to town. In that way, Boise is where we were in '65-'70. The difference is that the Broncos have been D-1 for a long, long time, and the Aztecs didn't make D-1 until the '69-'70 season. Somehow, some way, we need to boost true average attendance to at least the 30,000 to 35,000 level. Beating Cal and or Penn State this year and then making it at least to the MWC championship game would be a big start. AzWm I thought the Broncos joined D1 sometime in 80/90's?
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Post by AztecWilliam on Apr 17, 2015 12:50:15 GMT -8
Most of us believe when you do an away then home series , it is a push even trade one for one . Or at least it used to be . Is it for the next few years not sure any of us know . Or will it be , as the P5 schools have most of the leverage . the PAC has a 9 game conference and only 3 OOC . They get plenty of money from TV deals . Each P5 school could decide what type of opponent it needs on its schedule, to help it get into the championship series or for a chance at a medium rated bowl . Do they need to play a decent opponent or need an easy win . How much they will pay for a "money game " say at Ohio State -road game only . Or will they demand extra money even in an away home series , going forward . They have all the leverage . Oregon could say , we pay you zero to have you play up here and want X for coming down here to play . They are going to going to get the best deal they can arrange depending on what they need . As the Championship Series and Bowl game picture changes so will OOC scheduling . We have very little bargaining power . This year did we lose an OOC game because a team was going to get more money to travel to another school that would pa more . Money and Power . Oregon would really say that? Seriously? I would imagine the AD from SDSU or any G5 school, upon being told that, would probably use strong language as he stormed out of the room. Why would the Oregon AD think that ANY G5 school, even if . . . or perhaps especially if . . . that school were in financial difficulties, would go for such a one-sided deal? This would be especially true if the "X" required by Oregon amounted to somewhere well over a half million dollars.
A deal more likely to be accepted by SDSU (or similar G5 school) might look like this. . . Oregon pays SDSU $150,000 to play in Eugene, and then gets $400,000 to play in San Diego. The $150,00 (maybe only $100,000) would cover transportation and other expenses for the team traveling to Eugene. The 400 grand would not be much more than we pay FCS schools to play here (according to what I remember reading somewhere). If the Oregon AD balked, I would counter thusly: "Hey, you guys are one of the best programs in the nation. Paying us 150 grand to play at your place is chicken feed for you, and getting 400 thousand to travel in the same time zone to play in San Diego is not a lot but more than covers your expenses and gives Duck fans in SoCal a chance to see you play. Plus, we will be the underdogs. What's the problem?"
Who do these guys think they are, anyway? Oh, that's right; they think they are the ones with their own set of rules.
AzWm
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Post by AztecWilliam on Apr 17, 2015 14:16:32 GMT -8
And that, dear friends, is crucial. We used to draw 35,000 plus when Coryell was here despite the no-name opponents that came to town. In that way, Boise is where we were in '65-'70. The difference is that the Broncos have been D-1 for a long, long time, and the Aztecs didn't make D-1 until the '69-'70 season. Somehow, some way, we need to boost true average attendance to at least the 30,000 to 35,000 level. Beating Cal and or Penn State this year and then making it at least to the MWC championship game would be a big start. AzWm I thought the Broncos joined D1 sometime in 80/90's?
BSU became Division One in 1996. What I had in mind was that Boise's loyal fan base is similar to what we had in the '60s and '70s. Of course, what has happened to both schools from 1996 until today has to be considered. Take a look:
Boise State: 1996 through 2014. . .
W/L: 190-52 Number of 10 win seasons: 13 Conference championships: 6 Bowl record: 10-5 Major bowls: 3-0 Top 25 Finishes: Year Record AP Coaches 2002 12–1.. 15 12 2003 13–1.. 16 15 2004 11–1.. 12 13 2006 13–0... 5 6 2008 12–1.. 11 13 2009 14–0... 4 4 2010 12–1... 9 7 2011 12–1... 8 6 2012 11–2.. 18 14 2014 12–2.. 16 16
SDSU: 1996 through 2014 W/L: 103-135 Number of 10 win seasons: None Conference championships: 1 (co-championship) Bowl record: 2-3 Major bowls: None Top 25 finishes: None
This is a really, really depressing comparison. Those of us graybeards who were around to see the rise of Aztec football (in my case starting in 1962) have a hard time accepting what has happened since 1980. Fans in the late '60s and virtually all of the '70s probably imagined that by now SDSU would have achieved what Boise State has. My fear is that SDSU has squandered so much time, so many opportunities, that the odds of reaching our desired goal (10 wins a season, frequent bowl wins and Top-25 appearances) are slim to none. I hope I'm wrong.
Hey, Rocky! Get it done this year and prove me wrong.
Please!
AzWm
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Post by standiego on Apr 17, 2015 15:48:20 GMT -8
As you said , The P5 has its own set of rules , and leverage . they are going to do what is best for their team , Do what is best for their football team's OOC , they can present opportunities to a P5 or G5 team for a OOC game , if they take it fine if not on to the next . Agree there is only one goal that determines if this is a successful season , at least get to the MW Championship game , winning it is even better . Or even better get to the Best G5 Bowl ( same one BSU played in last year ) .
Slogan for 2015" Just Win It - No excuses ."
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