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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Mar 30, 2015 13:21:35 GMT -8
For those worried about the "only Div III" comment, Damien played Chino Hills twice and won both games. Chino Hills played in Div 1 state championship game. Damien also played in the southern section open Division playoffs. Enough said. ...and to add to that, Chino Hills has Lonzo Ball and his brother who are both very good players.. especially Lonzo. Top 10 nationally and is going to UCLA |
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Post by Sdsu4life on Mar 30, 2015 14:05:42 GMT -8
Winning a state championship in the state of CA in basketball is a tremendous accomplishment. Particularly as a public school, props to Jeremy and his teammates, that is a job very well done. Can't wait to see this young man in the program, I have a good feeling about him! It's only a Division III title, a bit less impressive. Maybe things are different now, but when I was in high school the competition below the Division I level wasn't that great. It is different now. Divisions are based on enrollment, not skill level. So, what division you are in has nothing to do with how good your team is, nor your competition. For many years, Division 3 has actually been the best division in California. The reason? private school enrollments tend to fall within the Div3 range. Division 1 just means they have a larger enrollment and more options to sift through. Private schools don't have that luxury. But, since they are private, there are no district boundaries like there are in public schools. So, kids from all over the area can enroll there. Private high schools in california dominate. Damien High School is ranked 7th in the State and 29th in the country. If they played in a weak division, they wouldn't be ranked that high regardless of their results. The #1 team in California is a Div 4 team. Of the 6 teams ranked ahead of Damien, only 2 are public, and only 3 are private. There are no Div 2 teams in that top 7. Mater Dei is a basketball powerhouse. They are private, but they have an extremely high enrollment of 2,000+, so they are D1 because of that. Usually, private schools are 1200 tops. The #6 player in the nation, Ivan Rabb, who is the #1 player in the State is a Div 3 player. California Recruit rankings: 1. Rabb - Div 3 2. Simon - Prep School 3. Dorsey - Div 4 4. Metu - Div 2 5. Chriss - Div 1 6. Thompson - Div 4 7. Hemsley - Dv 3 So, yes, things definitely has changed since you've been in high school. In CIF, Division placement is purely enrollment. That is all. |
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Post by AztecJon on Mar 30, 2015 14:25:25 GMT -8
If my memory serves correctly Kell's junior year St. Augustine won Div III state championship as well. Pretty cool company 2 state champs from that division next year.
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Post by sdsustoner on Mar 31, 2015 5:38:48 GMT -8
LOL @ the D3 comments.
We loved Ronnie Hillman. Unlike hoops, football divisions are based on quality. He came from the Southwest Division...D6. hahahahah.
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Post by Sdsu4life on Mar 31, 2015 6:41:08 GMT -8
LOL @ the D3 comments. We loved Ronnie Hillman. Unlike hoops, football divisions are based on quality. He came from the Southwest Division...D6. hahahahah. No LOL! La habra was a Division 2 team while Hillman was there. CIF has changed since then. But, La Habra is not a division 6 team. Right now, the south western division is labeled as a Division 4 football conference during the season. BUT, during the post season the teams from that D4 qualify for the D2 bracket. So, actually that is saying that, that d4 conference is much better than the D4 label. For CIF football, the division you are in during the regular season isn't necessarily the division you will play in the post season. The link explains it pretty well. Southwestern Division (IV) www.maxpreps.com/rankings/football-fall-14/1/division/36fS7q_UL0OJSwqS8U0UsQ/southern-section/division-southwest-(iv).htmCIF Post season layout. www.cifstate.org/sports/football/divisions/2014_Football_Bowl_Game_Divisions_FINAL.pdfAs you can see, for CIF football post season there is only 4 divisions, And division 4 is really only for high schools with enrollment of less than 500. So, La Habra's football program and its conference actually falls within D2. They have the enrollment of 2,000+. CIF is different from the other state's division layout. It is purely enrollment. For basketball it is enrollment all the way through from regular season through to the State championship. For football, it is different. Confusing at times too. but the link I provided explains it easier. Whereas CIF Basketball is the same division from day 1 through to the state, football can change once you hit the post season. But yes, for football POSTSEASON, the divisions are based on quality. Not enrollment. But, that is not the case during regular season. For basketall, at no time does the division represent quality, it is 100% enrollment all the way through to the end. |
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Post by sdsustoner on Mar 31, 2015 8:02:30 GMT -8
LOL @ the D3 comments. We loved Ronnie Hillman. Unlike hoops, football divisions are based on quality. He came from the Southwest Division...D6. hahahahah. No LOL! La habra was a Division 2 team while Hillman was there. CIF has changed since then. But, La Habra is not a division 6 team. Right now, the south western division is labeled as a Division 4 football conference during the season. BUT, during the post season the teams from that D4 qualify for the D2 bracket. So, actually that is saying that, that d4 conference is much better than the D4 label. For CIF football, the division you are in during the regular season isn't necessarily the division you will play in the post season. The link explains it pretty well. Southwestern Division (IV) www.maxpreps.com/rankings/football-fall-14/1/division/36fS7q_UL0OJSwqS8U0UsQ/southern-section/division-southwest-(iv).htmCIF Post season layout. www.cifstate.org/sports/football/divisions/2014_Football_Bowl_Game_Divisions_FINAL.pdfAs you can see, for CIF football post season there is only 4 divisions, And division 4 is really only for high schools with enrollment of less than 500. So, La Habra's football program and its conference actually falls within D2. They have the enrollment of 2,000+. CIF is different from the other state's division layout. It is purely enrollment. For basketball it is enrollment all the way through from regular season through to the State championship. For football, it is different. Confusing at times too. but the link I provided explains it easier. Whereas CIF Basketball is the same division from day 1 through to the state, football can change once you hit the post season. But yes, for football POSTSEASON, the divisions are based on quality. Not enrollment. But, that is not the case during regular season. For basketall, at no time does the division represent quality, it is 100% enrollment all the way through to the end. Yes, I get how the state and CIF divisions vary. FYI, Pac-5 teams no longer can play in anything other than D1 or Open title games despite some being D2 enrollments. It was actually D6 back when Hillman played. The Inland division was D2 back then. I'm referring to CIF division rankings. |
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Post by Sdsu4life on Mar 31, 2015 8:26:50 GMT -8
No LOL! La habra was a Division 2 team while Hillman was there. CIF has changed since then. But, La Habra is not a division 6 team. Right now, the south western division is labeled as a Division 4 football conference during the season. BUT, during the post season the teams from that D4 qualify for the D2 bracket. So, actually that is saying that, that d4 conference is much better than the D4 label. For CIF football, the division you are in during the regular season isn't necessarily the division you will play in the post season. The link explains it pretty well. Southwestern Division (IV) www.maxpreps.com/rankings/football-fall-14/1/division/36fS7q_UL0OJSwqS8U0UsQ/southern-section/division-southwest-(iv).htmCIF Post season layout. www.cifstate.org/sports/football/divisions/2014_Football_Bowl_Game_Divisions_FINAL.pdfAs you can see, for CIF football post season there is only 4 divisions, And division 4 is really only for high schools with enrollment of less than 500. So, La Habra's football program and its conference actually falls within D2. They have the enrollment of 2,000+. CIF is different from the other state's division layout. It is purely enrollment. For basketball it is enrollment all the way through from regular season through to the State championship. For football, it is different. Confusing at times too. but the link I provided explains it easier. Whereas CIF Basketball is the same division from day 1 through to the state, football can change once you hit the post season. But yes, for football POSTSEASON, the divisions are based on quality. Not enrollment. But, that is not the case during regular season. For basketall, at no time does the division represent quality, it is 100% enrollment all the way through to the end. Yes, I get how the state and CIF divisions vary. FYI, Pac-5 teams no longer can play in anything other than D1 or Open title games despite some being D2 enrollments. It was actually D6 back when Hillman played. The Inland division was D2 back then. I'm referring to CIF division rankings. Well maybe during the season, like I explained. But in the playoffs, Hillman played in the D2 bracket. La Habra and their conference (Southwestern Division) is now D4 and play in D2 playoffs still, like I explained. |
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Post by sdsustoner on Mar 31, 2015 9:04:33 GMT -8
Yes, I get how the state and CIF divisions vary. FYI, Pac-5 teams no longer can play in anything other than D1 or Open title games despite some being D2 enrollments. It was actually D6 back when Hillman played. The Inland division was D2 back then. I'm referring to CIF division rankings. Well maybe during the season, like I explained. But in the playoffs, Hillman played in the D2 bracket. La Habra and their conference (Southwestern Division) is now D4 and play in D2 playoffs still, like I explained. No. Not during the CIF section playoffs. In football, the teams still play in the division their league resides. It only changes claissification for regional and state. Back then there was no regional game, no open division and La Habra didn't make a state bowl. Which would have been the D2 bowl at the time since they only had 3 divisions back then. D3 was "small schools" like St. Margerets. Also some SW conference teams have D1 state bowl enrollments like San Clemente and Trabuco who will both climb back up to the West Valley (D2) for CIF section playoffs when they re-align the Coast View Conference (South Coast League & Sea View League) next year. The D2 CIF section playoff bracket is the West Valley Division. |
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Mar 31, 2015 9:27:27 GMT -8
Damien H.S. the high school of Joe Lunardi!
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Post by smoothcat on Apr 1, 2015 21:59:24 GMT -8
Winning a state championship in the state of CA in basketball is a tremendous accomplishment. Particularly as a public school, props to Jeremy and his teammates, that is a job very well done. Can't wait to see this young man in the program, I have a good feeling about him! Damien is not a public school, it's an all boys private school. I did not know that, thanks for correcting me. It doesn't surprise me to find out they were private actually, it seems that really is where the power lies in high school basketball now due to the recruiting advantages. That is why it was pretty wild when Shrigley lead La Costa Canyon to the Division II State Final a couple of years ago. LCC is a public school, it really is just kids from the local area and they went up against Archbishop Mitty who had recruited Aaron Gordon and a bunch of other studs and got beat. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 6:19:30 GMT -8
Damien is not a public school, it's an all boys private school. I did not know that, thanks for correcting me. It doesn't surprise me to find out they were private actually, it seems that really is where the power lies in high school basketball now due to the recruiting advantages. That is why it was pretty wild when Shrigley lead La Costa Canyon to the Division II State Final a couple of years ago. LCC is a public school, it really is just kids from the local area and they went up against Archbishop Mitty who had recruited Aaron Gordon and a bunch of other studs and got beat. Re LCC, this is true to a certain extent. The way it's set up in that district is that if you live in within the district (which is larger than a standard foot print for a local HS) you have the choice of going to 4 different high schools. Of those 4 high schools, generally (not all kids but generally), the 'athletes' in the district will go to either LCC or TPHS. This is certainly different than when I was a kid... back then your only choice was to go to the local HS. Overall though, you are correct, things have changed, and private high schools are allowed to recruit - now most, not all, of the consistently successful high schools in all sports are the private schools. |
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Post by standiego on Apr 2, 2015 11:21:30 GMT -8
Most important JH looks as though he will come to SDSU and be a true PG - hopefully share it with KZ or DW . Move TK to his real position SG . Encourage the Aztecs to use an up tempo offense with their very athletic guys .
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Post by sdcoug on Apr 3, 2015 10:41:56 GMT -8
Most important JH looks as though he will come to SDSU and be a true PG - hopefully share it with KZ or DW . Move TK to his real position SG . Encourage the Aztecs to use an up tempo offense with their very athletic guys . Our offense has ALWAYS been to get shots early in the shot clock, while also giving the players freedom to create. Very player friendly. It's specifically tailored towards athleticism. At the same time, it's not about getting the first look but the first GOOD look whereas many focus on the first look, period. Add that to the fact, as I believe you've pointed out, teams that emphasize D' like we do tend to rest on occasion offensively, and you have why our offensive tempo is closer to the overall average. I wouldn't expect that to change much (maybe from 18.8 seconds/possession to 18.5). |
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Post by standiego on Apr 3, 2015 11:00:22 GMT -8
Our coaches have done a very good job of recruiting athletic athletes to SDSU . Now is the time to let them loose and run on offense as well as just use it for defense . We no longer have the slow down, X style ball screen offense or the JJ style . Would guess it maybe time to get the most out of the offense that MP , WS ( if he comes Back ) , ZC , JH , DA(if he comes back) , KZ,TK and even the C/5 's can provide , get to the basket and finish with authority . JH and KZ are PG's that are used to an attacking offense . Does not mean we have to take the first shot , but the thought should be there to get out in transition as much as possible , hustling to get into the fast court and into position to score . beating the other team when we get the ball into offense . More movement on offense , look to get open for alley oop , move the ball quickly , not just one on one with dribbling . Share the basketball . Use our athleticism on offense as much as we do on defense . Yes it does tire guys out but it does the same to the other team , advantage we have is a strong bench , so it may take using a full 10 guys not just during OOC . Also be open to using more zone with SS in the middle .
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Post by Sdsu4life on Apr 3, 2015 11:01:57 GMT -8
Well maybe during the season, like I explained. But in the playoffs, Hillman played in the D2 bracket. La Habra and their conference (Southwestern Division) is now D4 and play in D2 playoffs still, like I explained. Back then there was no regional game, no open division and La Habra didn't make a state bowl. Which would have been the D2 bowl at the time since they only had 3 divisions back then. D3 was "small schools" like St. Margerets. Also some SW conference teams have D1 state bowl enrollments like San Clemente and Trabuco who will both climb back up to the West Valley (D2) for CIF section playoffs when they re-align the Coast View Conference (South Coast League & Sea View League) next year. The D2 CIF section playoff bracket is the West Valley Division. Not entirely true. My high school is a private high school. But we play in a public school league since there are no private schools in the area. So, we are in a league with all D1 public schools from our city and surrounding city. So, we play a full D1 regular season schedule. But once we start playoffs, we get put into the D2 bracket. Then, if we win sections, we qualify to be selected for state. Back when there weren't the regional games, but still a state bowl game, playing D1 schedule but being in a D2 bracket actually helped our case. Our strength of schedule was #1 compared to all the other D2 teams vying for the selection, since most were D2 schools regular season and D2 post season. And, we actually made it to a state game. And all the other years we were playing in the section championship (but lost), we were a lock for the state game if we won. Now that they have the regional games, we still play a D2 playoff schedule, but because of the conference we are in during the regular season, we would qualify for D1 regional and state game, as laid out in the link I provided to you in the previous post. It is not the winner of that D2 section championship that then qualifies for D1 region and state, but rather the conference you belong to determines what regional and state division you will advance to. For example, my school is from conference A (D-1), playing in D2 CIF bracket, and we are playing Team ABC who play in conference B (D-2) for the section championship. If we win, due to what conference we are from, we qualify for the D-1 regional and state. If Team ABC wins, they don't necessarily qualify for that regional. It depends what conference they are from, and that conference just may be assigned to the D2 regional/state, or even maybe D3. |
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Post by standiego on Apr 3, 2015 11:34:53 GMT -8
Most important is for CA guys to be playing good competitive basketball games . Take a look at Rivals rating of HS BB players in the US. In 2014 only 2 of the top HS 40 guys were from CA . 2015 : 3 of the top 30 . Gets better for 2016: 3 of the top 20, including Leaf going to Arizona . 2017 the top player is attending Balboa Prep in San Diego. Name of the game now is Prep Schools , AAU and Private schools .
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