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Post by bearfoot on Mar 26, 2015 8:50:21 GMT -8
Wishful thinking on whose part; those that think a deal can get done in SD or those that want the Chargers to leave so that a West SDSU Taj Mahal can be built from the ashes? A petition drive has never been done in SD because it's never been defined as part of a process to get a new stadium built. A city council vote has never happened because there's never been a call for one. Bottom line is that this has yet to play out in one direction or the other and ANYONE that claims any particular insight not part of the Advisory group is speculating. As of now, CSAG is saying that: They are working towards a finance plan. An initial look gives them reason to be optimistic than a plan requiring an acceptable density can be worked out. There's a $150mil in potential funds available from Sacramento to be used for road access and wetlands enhancement and that they have a sponsor to go after those funds They are meeting with the NFL next week They are bringing in the county as a partner in the process That's all anybody knows, including gadfly's like Florio who report conventional wisdom. IMO, the Chargers will take the path of least resistance and if anyone thinks that LA/Carson/Inglewood (always up to no good) is the path of least resistance they are mistaken, at least at this point in the process. So is San Diego further along in the process of financing and building a new stadium or is LA(Inglewood)? Inglewood is much farther along, however they do not have a team playing there. Kronkeworld will get built, but the ? is who will play there?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 8:52:29 GMT -8
The terms "writing on the wall" or "where's there smoke there's fire" mean nothing to you, huh? No, it doesn't. There's been "smoke" in LA for a very long time. I suppose this is true, but there's a nice bonfire going now. More like a slow burning 14 year-old candle that's at the end of its wick. And no it doesn't. Look, even though I'm not a Charger fan, I don't want the city to lose them either. And I'd probably be chomping at any lure in the water like you are. But, with Everything that's happened in the past few months(years), I'd give the Chargers a 10% of remaining in San Diego. That's a bet I'd "take to the casino" (to paraphrase).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 8:59:49 GMT -8
I don't know and neither do you. BTW, I didn't say anything about how far along any of these projects are. But this I can tell you; only one of these cities currently has an NFL team C'mon man, you know what I mean. The Chargers clearly are going to wherever they can get into a new stadium, they've made no secret of that. The fact that 2 communities in LA already have more political and community commitment/will to build a stadium than San Diego is troubling to say the least. If we can't provide them something and soon they are as good as gone. As a native San Diegan who saw how Petco changed downtown forever I really hope the city finds a way to get them downtown. As an Aztec fan I know that might lead to us playing downtown which is a last option, but the impact on the city will likely be worth it. Trust me, I'm not rooting for the Chargers to leave, just being realistic about what I'm seeing from them and also the NFL. I'm not saying there's not a possibility that the bolts end up in LA. What I am saying is that anyone that thinks the path to a new stadium in LA is unobstructed and obstacle free is deluding themselves. LA is still part of California last time I checked and still subject to the same byzantine processes, obstructionists, regulatory labyrinth and petty power politics as SD or anywhere else in the state. Why is it that everybody seems to think the downtown LA boys are going to sit on their hands while Carson and Inglewood (always up to no good) eat their lunch? Stan may have the money to not be bullied around but I can assure you Dean and the Davis clan cannot bring the same firepower. They can and most likely will be pushed around.
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Post by San Diego Football Fan on Mar 26, 2015 9:00:24 GMT -8
I love the token aztec reference in the last sentence of the article. That's how it will forever be if we remain joined at the hip with the Chargers. Besides, that hip is already owned by Boise State.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 9:04:52 GMT -8
C'mon man, you know what I mean. The Chargers clearly are going to wherever they can get into a new stadium, they've made no secret of that. The fact that 2 communities in LA already have more political and community commitment/will to build a stadium than San Diego is troubling to say the least. If we can't provide them something and soon they are as good as gone. As a native San Diegan who saw how Petco changed downtown forever I really hope the city finds a way to get them downtown. As an Aztec fan I know that might lead to us playing downtown which is a last option, but the impact on the city will likely be worth it. Trust me, I'm not rooting for the Chargers to leave, just being realistic about what I'm seeing from them and also the NFL. I'm not saying there's not a possibility that the bolts end up in LA. What I am saying is that anyone that thinks the path to a new stadium in LA is unobstructed and obstacle free is deluding themselves. LA is still part of California last time I checked and still subject to the same byzantine processes, obstructionists, regulatory labyrinth and petty power politics as SD or anywhere else in the state. Why is it that everybody seems to think the downtown LA boys are going to sit on their hands while Carson and Inglewood (always up to no good) eat their lunch? Stan may have the money to not be bullied around but I can assure you Dean and the Davis clan cannot bring the same firepower. They can and most likely will be pushed around. No one is saying LA is without obstacles and you know that...we also all know that in Cali nothing gets built quickly or easily. But that's all the more reason to be worried about where SD is at in this process compared to the two LA sites.
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Post by hoobs on Mar 26, 2015 9:20:54 GMT -8
One thing I do know for certain... this "off-season" (between Aztecs hoops ending and football starting) is gonna be a lot more entertaining than previous years with this drama going on...
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Post by aztecmusician on Mar 26, 2015 9:22:03 GMT -8
Dither Dither Dither. The City of San Diego has delayed dealing with this issue until it is almost too late. Mission Valley is not acceptable for the Chargers, yet that is what the useless stadium committee has recommended. Faulkner and the rest of the City Counsel are looking at political oblivion if they can't get this thing done. JMO.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Mar 26, 2015 9:25:20 GMT -8
I think the Chargers have already made up their mind and are moving to L.A. Yes, but with a caveat. If 2/3 of the SD electorate are willing to significantly increase taxes in order to pay for at least $600M of a new stadium, they'll stay. Oh and the Chargers are going to have to become convinced of that before the 2015 regular season begins. So guess what, San Diegans. You have five months to commit to a tax increase!
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Mar 26, 2015 9:32:49 GMT -8
I really can't believe this comes as a surprise to anyone. My neighbor is an AZTEC and a HUGE Chargers fan, and we've been talking about this possibility for a decade now. This has been an unbelievable all around FAIL. But then so have the Chargers. The NFL is the only professional sports league which distributes its TV revenue equally among franchises. Therefore, although the Chargers may not be received PSL and luxury box revenue equivalent to the half a dozen elite franchises, they have basically been earning the same amount of money as the other two dozen. So the fact that the Chargers haven't won a single Super Bowl and have only managed to play in two (or is it just one?) means THEY are a "major fail."
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Post by zollner on Mar 26, 2015 9:36:42 GMT -8
I think the Chargers have already made up their mind and are moving to L.A. It is the best move for them and will share a stadium with the Rams. Raiders will move to Indianapolis into a brand new stadium. The Charger move is the best for them in a business sense. All of this city county stuff is just for show. I believe that the Chargers were promised the L.A.spot long ago by the league when they saw how difficult it would be to pass any tax to build a new stadium. Hell, even the local sport talk show talking heads are saying the Chargers are going to move. Let the stones and arrows fly, I'll get my extra thick shield ready. I've purposely kept my nose out of the details of this mess just to avoid the stench, but Raiders to Indy? Don't they already have a team? Is that really a possibility? Would that be to replace the Colts, or........? My bad I should have typed St.Louis, Rams to L.A., Raiders to St.Louis.
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Post by laaztec on Mar 26, 2015 9:37:27 GMT -8
I think the Chargers have already made up their mind and are moving to L.A. Yes, but with a caveat. If 2/3 of the SD electorate are willing to significantly increase taxes in order to pay for at least $600M of a new stadium, they'll stay. Oh and the Chargers are going to have to become convinced of that before the 2015 regular season begins. So guess what, San Diegans. You have five months to commit to a tax increase! The citizens panel already said they aren't going to recommend anything that requires a 2/3 vote.
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Post by zollner on Mar 26, 2015 9:42:06 GMT -8
I think the Chargers have already made up their mind and are moving to L.A. It is the best move for them and will share a stadium with the Rams. Raiders will move to Indianapolis into a brand new stadium. The Charger move is the best for them in a business sense. All of this city county stuff is just for show. I believe that the Chargers were promised the L.A.spot long ago by the league when they saw how difficult it would be to pass any tax to build a new stadium. Hell, even the local sport talk show talking heads are saying the Chargers are going to move. Let the stones and arrows fly, I'll get my extra thick shield ready. No way. They weren't willing to share the LA Live project, why would they change course and share one in Inglewood (which is always up to no good)? There hasn't been a football stadium built in LA for 96 years. LA has been without pro football for greater than 20 years yet everyone thinks that LA can get it done. If LA was such a financial windfall, don't you think someone would have solved equation by now? I hope you folks don't spend much time in casinos. My bad I should have typed Rams to L.A. Raiders to St Louis. Your saying that San Diego has more of an economic advantage than L.A.? L.A. second biggest market next to N.Y.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 9:43:19 GMT -8
I'm not saying there's not a possibility that the bolts end up in LA. What I am saying is that anyone that thinks the path to a new stadium in LA is unobstructed and obstacle free is deluding themselves. LA is still part of California last time I checked and still subject to the same byzantine processes, obstructionists, regulatory labyrinth and petty power politics as SD or anywhere else in the state. Why is it that everybody seems to think the downtown LA boys are going to sit on their hands while Carson and Inglewood (always up to no good) eat their lunch? Stan may have the money to not be bullied around but I can assure you Dean and the Davis clan cannot bring the same firepower. They can and most likely will be pushed around. No one is saying LA is without obstacles and you know that...we also all know that in Cali nothing gets built quickly or easily. But that's all the more reason to be worried about where SD is at in this process compared to the two LA sites. I think I've said all I can say about this but I'll depart the conversation with this one last point/ observation: Lehman Bros made a statement awhile back that they are willing to indemnify the Chargers against losses incurred as a result of the move to LA. This signifies to me at least, that there will indeed be a cost to the move in such things as relocation payments, temporary facility leases/upgrades, construction bond debt service, loss of ticket sales etc. They aren't doing this out of the goodness of their heart. They have a business purpose in mind and just let me say this: it isn't the Charger's bottom line they are thinking about. So, if you are the owner of the Chargers, you'll want to fully understand your exposure and you'll want to fully understand the terms of repayment. If you're Dean, you have to consider that if something goes wrong, construction delays, a lawsuit(s), environmental delays, lagging PSL sales... any number of things in a deal this complicated, the price you may end up paying is a de-facto partnership/ with Lehman, potentially loss of majority control or even forced sale of your beloved franchise. At best it will mean an as yet to be quantified cash flow hit. Now, place your bets.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Mar 26, 2015 9:44:30 GMT -8
One thing I do know for certain... this "off-season" (between Aztecs hoops ending and football starting) is gonna be a lot more entertaining than previous years with this drama going on... It looks like Aztec Baseball should be fun this season.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Mar 26, 2015 9:48:25 GMT -8
Dither Dither Dither. The City of San Diego has delayed dealing with this issue until it is almost too late. Mission Valley is not acceptable for the Chargers, yet that is what the useless stadium committee has recommended. Faulkner and the rest of the City Counsel are looking at political oblivion if they can't get this thing done. JMO. That is exactly why the Mayor insists on a vote. The will of the people will speak for the fate of the Chargers.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 9:54:06 GMT -8
Dither Dither Dither. The City of San Diego has delayed dealing with this issue until it is almost too late. Mission Valley is not acceptable for the Chargers, yet that is what the useless stadium committee has recommended. Faulkner and the rest of the City Counsel are looking at political oblivion if they can't get this thing done. JMO. That is exactly why the Mayor insists on a vote. The will of the people will speak for the fate of the Chargers. You mean he'll use the vote like a political shield in the hopes of deflecting blame for the loss of the most popular franchise in SD.
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Post by aardvark on Mar 26, 2015 9:56:42 GMT -8
Florio is dialed in. Wow. I believe he is dialed in to Fabiani. Inglewood is just about a done deal. Kronke already owns the land. THe city council is in 100%. Kronke has the dough to do whatever he wants. The Chargers were unwilling to be a tenant in downtown LA. I do not see them as Kronke's tenant. I do see Fabiani doing his best to fog up what is going on in San Diego. He will take Florio's, or anyone else's so he can fill the callers ears with spin. He's a lier, and a spin master and lazy sports journalists love him. The Chargers didn't want to go to downtown LA since AEG wanted a substantial piece of the franchise. What would hold up the Chargers from going to KroenkeWorld would be just how much the Chargers would have to pay Kroenke for the "privilege" of playing there. I don't see the Carson stadium ever happening, as I don't think the Raiders have the stomach for it, and there is no way the Chargers could go to Carson on their own.
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Post by legkick on Mar 26, 2015 10:01:53 GMT -8
You mean he'll use the vote like a political shield in the hopes of deflecting blame for the loss of the most popular franchise in SD. Past City Councils, past City leadership, and the Chargers and NFL themselves will deserve much more of the "blame" than Faulconer, imo.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 10:18:03 GMT -8
You mean he'll use the vote like a political shield in the hopes of deflecting blame for the loss of the most popular franchise in SD. Past City Councils, past City leadership, and the Chargers and NFL themselves will deserve much more of the "blame" than Faulconer, imo. This entire mess proceeds Faulconer by years. It just happened to come to a head on his watch.
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Post by hoobs on Mar 26, 2015 10:28:29 GMT -8
One thing I do know for certain... this "off-season" (between Aztecs hoops ending and football starting) is gonna be a lot more entertaining than previous years with this drama going on... It looks like Aztec Baseball should be fun this season. True...
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