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Post by HighNTight on Apr 22, 2015 11:54:44 GMT -8
If the Chargers leave San Diego, where are the Aztecs going to play? The city isn't going to keep the Q going if the Chargers leave. It's bad enough of a money drain as it is right now but at least some money is being made. Aztec football brings in pennies compared to that. What kind of temporary stadium are they going to play in? Or would they just shut it down either temporarily or permanently? Either way, it would set the program back considerably I would think and the program is not in good shape right now anyway. Everything I've heard is that if the Chargers leave, it's the death of football in San Diego completely but maybe someone knows different here? Just to play with some numbers ... The 160+ acre Qualcomm Stadium Site as a whole is valued at $2M/acre (of which the City owns half, and the Water Dept owns the other half) The City loses something close to $15M/yr on maintenance, operations & debt financing for the stadium as well as back rent to the Water dept since 2005. Deferred maintenance on the stadium has grown to $80M If the Chargers leave, they have to pay the City for both the early termination of the lease and for a portion of the outstanding bond for the '98 expansion How much would the City and Water Dept be willing to sell the entire site to SDSU for? I supposed we could start with $320M, subtract the $80M deferred maintenance would leave $240M for a "functioning" 70K seat stadium -- and more importantly approximately 100 acres on which to expand the campus. SDSU could then solicit RFQs & RFPs to rebuild or replace the Q either all at once, or in phases along with the rest of the campus expansion. SDSU could even generate revenue by leasing part of the property for hotel, restaurant & retail development to service both the stadium and west campus.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 12:19:57 GMT -8
Where exactly did you hear that? We get 5 years in the Q guaranteed. If the Chargers leave it seems pretty clear the University will attempt to obtain all or part of the Q site for campus expansion as well. Actually, I did find a couple of articles from the UT talking about it saying the Aztecs lease is through 2018. www.utsandiego.com/news/2015/mar/02/qualcomm-stadium-aztecs-chargers-lease/www.utsandiego.com/news/2009/jul/27/bn27stadium-lease-aztecs/The article says the city can renegotiate the rent if they don't think they're getting a good deal. I wonder if that's going to happen if the Aztecs are the only tenant, especially if they continue to draw so poorly. 2018 is going to come quickly though. If the Chargers leave, I think it's going to be to join the Rams in LA but not after the Rams have already established themselves and that would be way past 2018, probably around 2020 when the lease is up for the Chargers as well. Hopefully, a stadium deal gets done here because I want to see the Chargers and Aztecs get a new stadium. Regardless of whether the Chargers stay or go the Aztecs will end up with a stadium solution. If we lose the Chargers the city will be desperate to keep SDSU a D1 FB program. I know Charger fans dont want to think that, but pretend you work at City Hall and you already lost the Chargers...really think you're also going to allow the city to lose its only D1 FB program too?
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Post by aztecbolt on Apr 22, 2015 13:14:39 GMT -8
Actually, I did find a couple of articles from the UT talking about it saying the Aztecs lease is through 2018. www.utsandiego.com/news/2015/mar/02/qualcomm-stadium-aztecs-chargers-lease/www.utsandiego.com/news/2009/jul/27/bn27stadium-lease-aztecs/The article says the city can renegotiate the rent if they don't think they're getting a good deal. I wonder if that's going to happen if the Aztecs are the only tenant, especially if they continue to draw so poorly. 2018 is going to come quickly though. If the Chargers leave, I think it's going to be to join the Rams in LA but not after the Rams have already established themselves and that would be way past 2018, probably around 2020 when the lease is up for the Chargers as well. Hopefully, a stadium deal gets done here because I want to see the Chargers and Aztecs get a new stadium. Regardless of whether the Chargers stay or go the Aztecs will end up with a stadium solution. If we lose the Chargers the city will be desperate to keep SDSU a D1 FB program. I know Charger fans dont want to think that, but pretend you work at City Hall and you already lost the Chargers...really think you're also going to allow the city to lose its only D1 FB program too? Sadly, I don't think the outcry will be nearly as large as it is for the Chargers. How many non-alumni really care about SDSU? None of my friends or co-workers do. They don't even care about the basketball team and they're worth watching. Maybe that will change if Aztec football will be only option in town but I doubt it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 13:23:56 GMT -8
Regardless of whether the Chargers stay or go the Aztecs will end up with a stadium solution. If we lose the Chargers the city will be desperate to keep SDSU a D1 FB program. I know Charger fans dont want to think that, but pretend you work at City Hall and you already lost the Chargers...really think you're also going to allow the city to lose its only D1 FB program too? Sadly, I don't think the outcry will be nearly as large as it is for the Chargers. How many non-alumni really care about SDSU? None of my friends or co-workers do. They don't even care about the basketball team and they're worth watching. Maybe that will change if Aztec football will be only option in town but I doubt it. The University already needs land to expand with...and the city will now have an empty stadium with no quick way to return any value. SDSU could purchase just 60 of the 166 acres available, retain the Q, and have additional space for dorms/buildings. The rest of the site could be sold off to private developers. The City and state will take care of SD's oldest University. Just so happens a stadium is already on the land we are looking to expand into. I know if Chargers don't get what they want their fans wont want to see the Aztecs get anything too...but that's not how it works when you have a public in SD that is very aware of the difference between a PRIVATE and PUBLIC institution.
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Post by myownwords on Apr 22, 2015 14:05:42 GMT -8
Actually, I did find a couple of articles from the UT talking about it saying the Aztecs lease is through 2018. www.utsandiego.com/news/2015/mar/02/qualcomm-stadium-aztecs-chargers-lease/www.utsandiego.com/news/2009/jul/27/bn27stadium-lease-aztecs/The article says the city can renegotiate the rent if they don't think they're getting a good deal. I wonder if that's going to happen if the Aztecs are the only tenant, especially if they continue to draw so poorly. 2018 is going to come quickly though. If the Chargers leave, I think it's going to be to join the Rams in LA but not after the Rams have already established themselves and that would be way past 2018, probably around 2020 when the lease is up for the Chargers as well. Hopefully, a stadium deal gets done here because I want to see the Chargers and Aztecs get a new stadium. Regardless of whether the Chargers stay or go the Aztecs will end up with a stadium solution. If we lose the Chargers the city will be desperate to keep SDSU a D1 FB program. I know Charger fans dont want to think that, but pretend you work at City Hall and you already lost the Chargers...really think you're also going to allow the city to lose its only D1 FB program too? Well, sad to say, I believe only a minimal number of politicians care if the Aztecs drop down to USD's level. And from attendance levels, I doubt that there are more than a handful of County residents who'd even notice if SDSU stopped playing completely. Certainly, if the City and County can't put together financing for a pro team, they'll do nothing to help SDSU. Just my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 14:26:15 GMT -8
Regardless of whether the Chargers stay or go the Aztecs will end up with a stadium solution. If we lose the Chargers the city will be desperate to keep SDSU a D1 FB program. I know Charger fans dont want to think that, but pretend you work at City Hall and you already lost the Chargers...really think you're also going to allow the city to lose its only D1 FB program too? Well, sad to say, I believe only a minimal number of politicians care if the Aztecs drop down to USD's level. And from attendance levels, I doubt that there are more than a handful of County residents who'd even notice if SDSU stopped playing completely. Certainly, if the City and County can't put together financing for a pro team, they'll do nothing to help SDSU. Just my opinion. Nothing you're saying changes the fact that SDSU needs to purchase land for expansion, The city will have land to sell(which also happens to have a stadium on it that the city is losing money on), and the University will have the resources to eventually make the purchase. The only reason SDSU doesn't get the chance to purchase at least a portion of the Q site would be a disgruntled Charger fan was somehow part of the process and wanted to make sure that SDSU gets nothing...just like their chargers. Philip Rivers seems pretty convinced the Chargers are leaving town by the way.
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Post by myownwords on Apr 22, 2015 14:44:34 GMT -8
Well, sad to say, I believe only a minimal number of politicians care if the Aztecs drop down to USD's level. And from attendance levels, I doubt that there are more than a handful of County residents who'd even notice if SDSU stopped playing completely. Certainly, if the City and County can't put together financing for a pro team, they'll do nothing to help SDSU. Just my opinion. Nothing you're saying changes the fact that SDSU needs to purchase land for expansion, The city will have land to sell(which also happens to have a stadium on it that the city is losing money on), and the University will have the resources to eventually make the purchase. The only reason SDSU doesn't get the chance to purchase at least a portion of the Q site would be a disgruntled Charger fan was somehow part of the process and wanted to make sure that SDSU gets nothing...just like their chargers. Philip Rivers seems pretty convinced the Chargers are leaving town by the way. Assume the Chargers are gone. The City likely will first get an appraisal, then offer the land to an governmental entity, starting with the Federal Government. If the Feds decline, then it goes to the State. There may be another entity in the pecking order, but you get the drift. If everyone declines then the city can do an RFQ, then an RFP and select the highest and most qualified developer to purchase the property. Unlike others on this forum, I do not believe the school or the system will allocate funds for a new stadium. They may try to buy part of it for expansion of academics.
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Post by HighNTight on Apr 22, 2015 14:49:40 GMT -8
Nothing you're saying changes the fact that SDSU needs to purchase land for expansion, The city will have land to sell(which also happens to have a stadium on it that the city is losing money on), and the University will have the resources to eventually make the purchase. The only reason SDSU doesn't get the chance to purchase at least a portion of the Q site would be a disgruntled Charger fan was somehow part of the process and wanted to make sure that SDSU gets nothing...just like their chargers. Philip Rivers seems pretty convinced the Chargers are leaving town by the way. Assume the Chargers are gone. The City likely will first get an appraisal, then offer the land to an governmental entity, starting with the Federal Government. If the Feds decline, then it goes to the State. There may be another entity in the pecking order, but you get the drift. If everyone declines then the city can do an RFQ, then an RFP and select the highest and most qualified developer to purchase the property. Unlike others on this forum, I do not believe the school or the system will allocate funds for a new stadium. They may try to buy part of it for expansion of academics. I did not realize that the City owned 80 or so acres of the 160 acre Qualcomm site must follow the same procedures as Federal park land or the Base Closure and Realignment process -- I guess I learned something new regarding the sale of City property.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 14:50:40 GMT -8
Assume the Chargers are gone. The City likely will first get an appraisal, then offer the land to an governmental entity, starting with the Federal Government. If the Feds decline, then it goes to the State. There may be another entity in the pecking order, but you get the drift. If everyone declines then the city can do an RFQ, then an RFP and select the highest and most qualified developer to purchase the property. Unlike others on this forum, I do not believe the school or the system will allocate funds for a new stadium. They may try to buy part of it for expansion of academics. I did not realize that the City owned 80 or so acres of the 160 acre Qualcomm site must follow the same procedures as Federal park land or the Base Closure and Realignment process -- I guess I learned something new regarding City property. lol and then there is public sentiment... linkI bet a higher % of San Diegans would ok SDSU taking the Q site then would sign-off on giving the Chargers one red cent to build something new.
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Post by myownwords on Apr 22, 2015 14:55:03 GMT -8
Assume the Chargers are gone. The City likely will first get an appraisal, then offer the land to an governmental entity, starting with the Federal Government. If the Feds decline, then it goes to the State. There may be another entity in the pecking order, but you get the drift. If everyone declines then the city can do an RFQ, then an RFP and select the highest and most qualified developer to purchase the property. Unlike others on this forum, I do not believe the school or the system will allocate funds for a new stadium. They may try to buy part of it for expansion of academics. I did not realize that the City owned 80 or so acres of the 160 acre Qualcomm site must follow the same procedures as Federal park land or the Base Closure and Realignment process -- I guess I learned something new regarding the sale of City property. Well who knows. I've had dealings with the city in the past AND the community college districts and city schools and those individuals conveyed to me routine the they had to follow. But I've also found that some of those same individuals had "misunderstandings" of many things.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Apr 22, 2015 15:06:45 GMT -8
I did not realize that the City owned 80 or so acres of the 160 acre Qualcomm site must follow the same procedures as Federal park land or the Base Closure and Realignment process -- I guess I learned something new regarding City property. lol and then there is public sentiment... linkI bet a higher % of San Diegans would ok SDSU taking the Q site then would sign-off on giving the Chargers one red cent to build something new. So far everything is lining up for SDSU. Everyone I have talked with is in favor of letting the Chargers leave and thinks having SDSU take over the Q site is a great idea. Granted my sample size is much smaller than that UT poll.
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Post by HighNTight on Apr 22, 2015 15:07:00 GMT -8
I did not realize that the City owned 80 or so acres of the 160 acre Qualcomm site must follow the same procedures as Federal park land or the Base Closure and Realignment process -- I guess I learned something new regarding the sale of City property. Well who knows. I've had dealings with the city in the past AND the community college districts and city schools and those individuals conveyed to me routine the they had to follow. But I've also found that some of those same individuals had "misunderstandings" of many things.I would have to think that they have a misunderstanding ... otherwise I would then have to believe that the City has already approached both the federal and state governments regarding the Qualcomm site before any development deal for residential, retail and commercial projects can be used to fund the construction of a new stadium, and if so ... how did that get by Sen Marty Block without even a passing mention?
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Post by myownwords on Apr 22, 2015 15:25:03 GMT -8
Well who knows. I've had dealings with the city in the past AND the community college districts and city schools and those individuals conveyed to me routine the they had to follow. But I've also found that some of those same individuals had "misunderstandings" of many things.I would have to think that they have a misunderstanding ... otherwise I would then have to believe that the City has already approached both the federal and state governments regarding the Qualcomm site before any development deal for residential, retail and commercial projects can be used to fund the construction of a new stadium, and if so ... how did that get by Sen Marty Block without even a passing mention? They may indeed have already approached the feds to pare down the list.
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Post by hoobs on Apr 22, 2015 15:31:25 GMT -8
Don't forget one possible twist in terms of SDSU developing the Q site if the Chargers leave... have the city retain the land upon which a downsized/renovated Q or new Aztec Stadium is built and leased back to SDSU for a very cheap price... so that technically the stadium where the Aztecs play football will be "off campus" so alcohol can be sold during games.
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Post by AzTex on Apr 22, 2015 15:38:33 GMT -8
You seem to possess enormous faith in the administration of SDSU. I don't expect an answer, as this is more rhetorical, but is there anything approaching--in football or any sport at SDSU--the scope of your hope, which this administration has promised, (such as set aside funds or revealed a funding source?) or commenced, that would give you that kind of confidence? Basketball is not even close to a comparison, and in any case prior to Hirshman and Sterk. JAM was also commenced prior to either man burdening us. To be perfectly honest I would much rather SDSU be proactive and find its own independent stadium solution. The sooner we stop becoming dependent on the Chargers for a stadium the better. The Chargers departing the city would be the catalyst for this action at SDSU. Is it possible we will not find a stadium solution? Of course. If indeed that is the case and SDSU can't find a long term stadium solution on its own then perhaps we don't deserve to have a division I football program in San Diego. However, I firmly believe SDSU will find a stadium solution when the Chargers leave. We do need to get our own stadium somehow. Even if the Chargers don't leave now, the problem of where we're going to play is going to come up every 20 years or so when the Chargers decide they need a newer stadium and start looking to move if they don't get one.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Apr 22, 2015 16:02:57 GMT -8
If the Chargers leave San Diego, where are the Aztecs going to play? The city isn't going to keep the Q going if the Chargers leave. It's bad enough of a money drain as it is right now but at least some money is being made. Aztec football brings in pennies compared to that. What kind of temporary stadium are they going to play in? Or would they just shut it down either temporarily or permanently? Either way, it would set the program back considerably I would think and the program is not in good shape right now anyway. Everything I've heard is that if the Chargers leave, it's the death of football in San Diego completely but maybe someone knows different here? Aztec football is not going away anytime soon when the Chargers leave. The Aztecs have a minimum of a FIVE year lease that is triggered when the Chargers depart. SDSU is closely connected to the city and county. The city/county is committed to working with SDSU when the Chargers depart. Skip to about the 4:45 mark for Jim Sterk's comments... m.youtube.com/watch?v=X6vDTRZHp9s
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Post by aztecbolt on Apr 22, 2015 17:13:36 GMT -8
If the Chargers leave San Diego, where are the Aztecs going to play? The city isn't going to keep the Q going if the Chargers leave. It's bad enough of a money drain as it is right now but at least some money is being made. Aztec football brings in pennies compared to that. What kind of temporary stadium are they going to play in? Or would they just shut it down either temporarily or permanently? Either way, it would set the program back considerably I would think and the program is not in good shape right now anyway. Everything I've heard is that if the Chargers leave, it's the death of football in San Diego completely but maybe someone knows different here? Aztec football is not going away anytime soon when the Chargers leave. The Aztecs have a minimum of a FIVE year lease that is triggered when the Chargers depart. SDSU is closely connected to the city and county. The city/county is committed to working with SDSU when the Chargers depart. Skip to about the 4:45 mark for Jim Sterk's comments... m.youtube.com/watch?v=X6vDTRZHp9sThanks, that's good to know. I wish the UT would report more facts like this.
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Post by rebar619 on Apr 22, 2015 17:33:10 GMT -8
I did not realize that the City owned 80 or so acres of the 160 acre Qualcomm site must follow the same procedures as Federal park land or the Base Closure and Realignment process -- I guess I learned something new regarding City property. lol and then there is public sentiment... linkI bet a higher % of San Diegans would ok SDSU taking the Q site then would sign-off on giving the Chargers one red cent to build something new. I would bet you have a rather biased opinion in the situation.
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Post by fredgarvinmp on Apr 22, 2015 18:08:36 GMT -8
I love SDSU and think a west campus would be great, but the average San Diegan could care less if SDSU got that land to be honest (we on this board are a little bias I would say), if the Chargers leave, San Diegans will want to see the city get the most $$ out of that land they can, if SDSU can provide the biggest bang for San Diego's buck San Diegans will be for it, if not the the highest bidder will win the day (or perhaps we can make it a park like Donna Frye always envisioned).
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Post by SD Johnny on Apr 22, 2015 18:29:55 GMT -8
I love SDSU and think a west campus would be great, but the average San Diegan could care less if SDSU got that land to be honest (we on this board are a little bias I would say), if the Chargers leave, San Diegans will want to see the city get the most $$ out of that land they can, if SDSU can provide the biggest bang for San Diego's buck San Diegans will be for it, if not the the highest bidder will win the day (or perhaps we can make it a park like Donna Frye always envisioned). Sdsu can use eminent domain and pay market value or lease the land if necessary. I dint know why people constantly forget that.
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