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Post by AzTex on Mar 23, 2015 12:22:44 GMT -8
This is going to be a very long off season. Aren't they all?
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Post by AztecBill on Mar 23, 2015 12:42:55 GMT -8
We brought in two very good scoring freshman , Pope and Kell ( needs to stay at his natural position SG ). Also A: Zabo that is a pass first PG ,but can shoot ( had a good 3 point % , even here while he played in OOC ). Also ZC that can attack the basket . But if the coaches do not believe that as much energy and scheme is needed in the offense as it is on defense it does not help bringing in transfers . B: Zabo did not play because the coaches did not think he was able to break through screens on D . So first TK ( ruined his offense ) AQ - was the shooter more then PG , then JJ as point player . Pope did not play much first due to injury then because of his D . So if you do not play D , you sit more then you may on many teams . So is a "Johnny Dee" stlye player who plays O not D going to play here . Not if the coaches do not believe that it is important that as much energy is needed on offense as defense . play strong D and it takes away from your legs as you keep moving , that takes away from your legs and your shot . So you better decide if you are really going to play 10 plus guys or give time and energy to the offense . Polee was very effective last year as he had the legs to play coming off the bench . Polee was a guy who developed . Is the same talent there for DA , KZ , DW , ZC or do we try to bring in others . But the staff needs to realize they may need to look at changing their attitude on offense . right now it is more one and one . C: If we recruit the athletic guys ,then encourage them to run and score , not slow down ball screen play . K.L was not a great shooter / scorer here . He really worked on it in the NBA . We have guys that can run ,now create offensive schemes that use it . How many alley oops did we have this year , with Pope , Polee , Shepard , DA ... not enough . In transition we rarely really pushed it . Next year we have Pope , maybe Shepard , ZC , JH , DA ( hopefully ) and a PG , Zabo that looks for them . A: Zabo shot 5-14 on 3s in the 9 games he attempted 3s. That is 35.7% leading you to conclude he is a good 3 point shooter. That is not a sufficient sample size to conclude that. Example: from 2/11 to 3/4 Winston shot 7-15 from 3. That is 46.6%. The Division-I teams Zabo shot against average (weighted by Zabo shot attempts) defense is #175 in the country. This does not include San Diego Christian (1-2). The Aztecs average opponent defense this season is #97. So he took a small number of shots against well below average defensive teams. Let's never hear about how he is a good 3 point shooter again, unless you bring HS stats to the conversation. B: That is a huge assumption. From what I saw, his defensive short comings had many more issues than that. But the overriding one is not being able to keep his man in front of him - no screen needed. That is also why LB Franklin never played. C: Why do you assume we have to play at a fast pace to win? In 2011 our Tempo was #301 in the country. We had a final 4 type team that year. We don't have to score faster, we need to score more efficiently. This year Wisconsin is one of the best teams and their tempo is #346 in the country.
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Mar 23, 2015 13:09:36 GMT -8
We brought in two very good scoring freshman , Pope and Kell ( needs to stay at his natural position SG ). Also A: Zabo that is a pass first PG ,but can shoot ( had a good 3 point % , even here while he played in OOC ). Also ZC that can attack the basket . But if the coaches do not believe that as much energy and scheme is needed in the offense as it is on defense it does not help bringing in transfers . B: Zabo did not play because the coaches did not think he was able to break through screens on D . So first TK ( ruined his offense ) AQ - was the shooter more then PG , then JJ as point player . Pope did not play much first due to injury then because of his D . So if you do not play D , you sit more then you may on many teams . So is a "Johnny Dee" stlye player who plays O not D going to play here . Not if the coaches do not believe that it is important that as much energy is needed on offense as defense . play strong D and it takes away from your legs as you keep moving , that takes away from your legs and your shot . So you better decide if you are really going to play 10 plus guys or give time and energy to the offense . Polee was very effective last year as he had the legs to play coming off the bench . Polee was a guy who developed . Is the same talent there for DA , KZ , DW , ZC or do we try to bring in others . But the staff needs to realize they may need to look at changing their attitude on offense . right now it is more one and one . C: If we recruit the athletic guys ,then encourage them to run and score , not slow down ball screen play . K.L was not a great shooter / scorer here . He really worked on it in the NBA . We have guys that can run ,now create offensive schemes that use it . How many alley oops did we have this year , with Pope , Polee , Shepard , DA ... not enough . In transition we rarely really pushed it . Next year we have Pope , maybe Shepard , ZC , JH , DA ( hopefully ) and a PG , Zabo that looks for them . A: Zabo shot 5-14 on 3s in the 9 games he attempted 3s. That is 35.7% leading you to conclude he is a good 3 point shooter. That is not a sufficient sample size to conclude that. Example: from 2/11 to 3/4 Winston shot 7-15 from 3. That is 46.6%. The Division-I teams Zabo shot against average (weighted by Zabo shot attempts) defense is #175 in the country. This does not include San Diego Christian (1-2). The Aztecs average opponent defense this season is #97. So he took a small number of shots against well below average defensive teams. Let's never hear about how he is a good 3 point shooter again, unless you bring HS stats to the conversation. B: That is a huge assumption. From what I saw, his defensive short comings had many more issues than that. But the overriding one is not being able to keep his man in front of him - no screen needed. That is also why LB Franklin never played. C: Why do you assume we have to play at a fast pace to win? In 2011 our Tempo was #301 in the country. We had a final 4 type team that year. We don't have to score faster, we need to score more efficiently. This year Wisconsin is one of the best teams and their tempo is #346 in the country. When you look at him shoot it's obvious he has a pretty nice looking stroke... has nothing to do with stats. He could use some more arch but has a nice rotation, elbow in, shoulders & feet square, shoots at the right spot in his jump, timing, etc. Shepard has a broken form... he'd have to start from scratch to correct it, which is why he'll never be a great shooter. You don't need stats to evaluate if someone is a good shooter or not
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Post by AztecBill on Mar 23, 2015 14:01:56 GMT -8
A: Zabo shot 5-14 on 3s in the 9 games he attempted 3s. That is 35.7% leading you to conclude he is a good 3 point shooter. That is not a sufficient sample size to conclude that. Example: from 2/11 to 3/4 Winston shot 7-15 from 3. That is 46.6%. The Division-I teams Zabo shot against average (weighted by Zabo shot attempts) defense is #175 in the country. This does not include San Diego Christian (1-2). The Aztecs average opponent defense this season is #97. So he took a small number of shots against well below average defensive teams. Let's never hear about how he is a good 3 point shooter again, unless you bring HS stats to the conversation. B: That is a huge assumption. From what I saw, his defensive short comings had many more issues than that. But the overriding one is not being able to keep his man in front of him - no screen needed. That is also why LB Franklin never played. C: Why do you assume we have to play at a fast pace to win? In 2011 our Tempo was #301 in the country. We had a final 4 type team that year. We don't have to score faster, we need to score more efficiently. This year Wisconsin is one of the best teams and their tempo is #346 in the country. When you look at him shoot it's obvious he has a pretty nice looking stroke... has nothing to do with stats. He could use some more arch but has a nice rotation, elbow in, shoulders & feet square, shoots at the right spot in his jump, timing, etc. Shepard has a broken form... he'd have to start from scratch to correct it, which is why he'll never be a great shooter. You don't need stats to evaluate if someone is a good shooter or not Winston's shot this season was far different than last year. He has good form.
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Post by standiego on Mar 23, 2015 14:09:10 GMT -8
We have differing opinions on Zabo , I still see his glass at least half full , decent shot , his 3 point % was second best of the players . Played both PG on a very good CIA Bounce team and both PG and SG on his HS team . He also moves very well and often with out the ball , but is a pass first PG.
Yes IMO , the team needs to play offense at a quicker pace . The talent is there to at least try to get as many transition points as possible . Fast breaks , alley oops , going at the basketball hoop ,Finishing with authority , slam the ball not the finger tip rolls . Base group of Pope , Shepard , Cheatham , SS , DA , can do that add a PG that can drive toward the basket and if guys are also looking for the ball it could work . Not sure we have the slow down , ball screen player . Nor the JJ , elbow style player offense . Need to evaluate what works best after they get all the guys together and Run with it .
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Post by Gundo on Mar 23, 2015 14:52:06 GMT -8
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Post by OldSlowWhiteBaller on Mar 23, 2015 15:04:23 GMT -8
Thorne so far is the top big at 6'11 and 255 he's a 11 pt 8 reb guy who shoots 55%. His offense and rebounding game is better then Skye. We've save one 2015 scholarship for a transfer, we would have two spots if Shep or Malik leaves to the NBA which I highly doubt. I think Shep will test the waters and be evaluated this summer. He still needs a better shot, to finish stronger at the rim (like CSU) and get his focus on. Otherwise his body, D and skills are NBA ready. Thanks for the time and effort to put all those up for us to check out!
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Post by Gundo on Mar 23, 2015 15:11:20 GMT -8
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Post by sdcoug on Mar 23, 2015 15:20:20 GMT -8
This is going to be a very long off season. Going to be? It's been 2 days & it feels like a month of speculation & complaining.
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Post by OldSlowWhiteBaller on Mar 23, 2015 15:22:06 GMT -8
You guys have it all wrong. We need a very good 5th year PG next season or we will be average at best for 2016. I think so to. It would give Hemsley a year to get up to speed of Div1 bball. Hemsley SEEMS to have the skillset to play the 1, but you never know for sure with the freshmen. Good to have an insurance policy.
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Post by standiego on Mar 23, 2015 18:15:44 GMT -8
Fisher asked on the radio tonight , what the biggest need was for 2015-16 . Was it a PG , No , guys that can score the basketball. We are not going to win games without scoring more , especially when we play quality teams .
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Mar 23, 2015 18:21:00 GMT -8
Remarkable!
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Post by duong243 on Mar 23, 2015 19:59:47 GMT -8
We will score more if we have a point guard that can drive, draw and dish. Right now, we don't have anyone with that type of speed and handles that can break down defense.
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Post by sdcoug on Mar 23, 2015 20:14:35 GMT -8
We will score more if we have a point guard that can drive, draw and dish. Right now, we don't have anyone with that type of speed and handles that can break down defense. We make shots we score. We're getting plenty of open looks - the problem is knocking them down on a consistent basis. We knocked them down against St John's; we didn't against Duke. Duke's D had something to do with that, but we had plenty of good looks. We may not have won, but had we knocked down a few chippies we're scoring in the high 50's & not the 40's.
Our biggest issues were with turnovers, and getting to the FT line. AQ wasn't good at getting to the line, but Kell is, and I think Zabo will be with time. Both, being FR, will be much better when it comes to TO's as well. Hemsley is a penetrator, but will probably turn it over as well, so will be learning experience. But we really need guys like WS & Chol to cut down their TO's as well.
It's not like our shooting % as a team was any better last year with X at the point than it was this year. Our eFG% was virtually identical in '15 as '14. Last year we were just better at holding onto the ball & getting to the line (& making them when we did). The latter two are correctable, and you don't need some flashy "true" PG to make it happen.
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Post by Azthetic on Mar 23, 2015 22:36:59 GMT -8
X was the man with the game on the line. He seemed to make more shots, get fouled more and convert his FT's than anyone on this year's team.
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Post by Azthetic on Mar 23, 2015 22:50:34 GMT -8
We seemed to have trouble this season with the really good teams that got in our faces and pressed us the way that we generally like to play against others.
Then, when we would break the press, we would not make the opponent pay for it enough. We would slow down and play possession ball.
Over the course of the season, we made so many bad decisions with the ball in transition because guys who think that they should handle the ball really shouldn't be.
To say that a true PG would not solve those types of issues is flat out wrong. He doesn't need to be flashy, he just needs to make good, sound decisions and not turn the ball over.
It's no surprise that our best teams have had the best play at the point (D.J., X, & Richie).
I give our guys all the credit in the world for making something out of the situation, winning the conference and winning a game in the tournament.
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Post by Gundo on Mar 23, 2015 23:18:01 GMT -8
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Post by Gundo on Mar 23, 2015 23:29:00 GMT -8
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Post by Ambivalent_Fan on Mar 24, 2015 12:11:16 GMT -8
We will score more if we have a point guard that can drive, draw and dish. Right now, we don't have anyone with that type of speed and handles that can break down defense. Dish to who?...someone who clanks a chipper? What we need to move the the next level is a 7-footer with soft hands and can shoot like a guard or flush it home. Think Okafor / Kaminsky / Towns / Cauly-Stein / Wiltjer (although he is "only" 6'10" with a 48% 3PT% and 80% FT%)... Now that I think about it some more...what we need is another Mailk Pope to play the other wing...
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Post by Gundo on Mar 24, 2015 12:15:37 GMT -8
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