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Post by Gundo on Mar 17, 2015 21:54:56 GMT -8
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Post by hoobs on Mar 18, 2015 1:15:04 GMT -8
How is this relevant to Aztecs recruiting? Are any of these folks potential high-impact transfers at a program like SDSU? Doesn't look like it to me.
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Post by adammclane on Mar 18, 2015 6:52:52 GMT -8
We are looking for a grad transfer from what I understand. But probably not a big.
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Post by Boise Aztec on Mar 18, 2015 7:32:56 GMT -8
Thorne is a better rebounder and scorer than Skyler amd a better defender and rebounder than Chol.
He could fit into our big rotation as a grad transfer.
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Post by Gundo on Mar 18, 2015 7:54:17 GMT -8
Thorne so far is the top big at 6'11 and 255 he's a 11 pt 8 reb guy who shoots 55%. His offense and rebounding game is better then Skye. We've save one 2015 scholarship for a transfer, we would have two spots if Shep or Malik leaves to the NBA which I highly doubt.
I think Shep will test the waters and be evaluated this summer. He still needs a better shot, to finish stronger at the rim (like CSU) and get his focus on. Otherwise his body, D and skills are NBA ready.
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Post by Gundo on Mar 18, 2015 8:01:51 GMT -8
Willie Clayton at 6'8" 230 is another Jr transfer, strong inside game averaged 11 pts 9 boards as a Soph shot 59%, his minutes fell Jr year to 8 pts 6 boards and57%. The Aztecs lose JJ and don't have an inside offensive presence. They will need some size. Malik Pope is about 205 and Buddah 190, they will get pushed around in the paint.
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Post by Gundo on Mar 18, 2015 8:06:46 GMT -8
Devon Scott at 6'9" started at the 5 spot for Archie Millers Dayton Flyers, but was dismissed from the team. He was a 9 pt and 8 reb guy over the first 9 games shooting 64%, I doubt Fish wants a low character guy, but maybe he gets a second chance?
Dayton is a tourney team and they lost two guys 6'9". Archie Miller was able to keep winning without the bigs.
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Post by standiego on Mar 18, 2015 8:16:06 GMT -8
As you say the list is just beginning to form . Should hit its prime after MM and other T's finish . Would guess the coaches get together ,to chat with players so they know who exactly is coming back and who leaves . Many things could be determined by what WS decides to do also . If all guys come back that can , then we have 12 scholarship players .
If WS does come back and all the others, that could mean WS , MP , DA ,ZC at forwards plus BJ ( 5 or 4 position or red shirt ?) , or if they slide MS or TK ? So maybe we take a look after MM .
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Post by ab on Mar 18, 2015 8:19:49 GMT -8
We are looking for a grad transfer from what I understand. But probably not a big. as per today's UT, a shooter/scorer who can put the ball in the hoop
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Post by Gundo on Mar 18, 2015 9:16:37 GMT -8
We are looking for a grad transfer from what I understand. But probably not a big. as per today's UT, a shooter/scorer who can put the ball in the hoop One thing about the Aztecs, the only constant is change. Looks like our focused has changed based on these three numbers 305, 304, 263. 305 - Aztecs point per game 61.8 304 - Aztecs assists per game 10.6 263 - Aztecs shooting percentage 41.9% I realize that the number of possessions dictate some of these metrics, but scoring is still a key KPI in basketball. BTW where is Paul Westhead, who remembers that 1989-90 LMU team that averaged 122.5 points a game with Bo Kimble contributing 35.3/ppg. And Bo Kimble was a transfer from USC. Is there a Bo Kimble Jr? That team beat NMSU, Michigan and Alabama in the NCAAs before losing to a very good UNLV Tark team.
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Post by Gundo on Mar 18, 2015 9:25:40 GMT -8
Looks like I need to start a new list, called "Scorers Welcome."
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Post by adammclane on Mar 18, 2015 10:30:59 GMT -8
We are looking for a grad transfer from what I understand. But probably not a big. as per today's UT, a shooter/scorer who can put the ball in the hoop Yes, this is exactly what Hut said when I heard him asked about that last open scholarship.
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Post by standiego on Mar 18, 2015 12:48:30 GMT -8
I agree the players need to learn to not just shoot but be told they will judged on how they Finish - if they score on the shots they take . Enough of the finesse finger tip roll lay up , that is the time to slam the ball through the hoop . JJ had the opening lay up in the Wyoming game he went in for a lay up , that he could have slammed home and set the tone . instead he missed the easy lay up,they came back and were on the board . the tone of the game was set .
Coaches have brought in Shrigley , MP and TK , mostly for offense ,but why has that not been successful ?. TK was tried at PG, should have stayed and worked at SG . MP great offense but first hurt , then limited because of his D , where is his best offensive position .? MS seems to be a very streaky shooter , that some have said has been told not to drive in for shots. I have not seen it. Zabo also has good offensive skills but moved to last player on the bench, because of his D . Coaches recruit very athletic guys but they are not letting them run or are they tired after playing so hard on defense . They do not move much on offense to get open . Coached may need to re evaluate the offensive scheme . The slow down ball screen , may have worked for X but not these guys . we can bring in shooters/ scorers but if the offense is not a priority then we may go through this for a while .
the players are the guys who need to do the scoring but also feel the coaches need to take a closer look at themselves to see what they can do to make the players better scorers.
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Post by Boise Aztec on Mar 18, 2015 13:37:08 GMT -8
I agree the players need to learn to not just shoot but be told they will judged on how they Finish - if they score on the shots they take . Enough of the finesse finger tip roll lay up , that is the time to slam the ball through the hoop . JJ had the opening lay up in the Wyoming game he went in for a lay up , that he could have slammed home and set the tone . instead he missed the easy lay up,they came back and were on the board . the tone of the game was set . Coaches have brought in Shrigley , MP and TK , mostly for offense ,but why has that not been successful ?. TK was tried at PG, should have stayed and worked at SG . MP great offense but first hurt , then limited because of his D , where is his best offensive position .? MS seems to be a very streaky shooter , that some have said has been told not to drive in for shots. I have not seen it. Zabo also has good offensive skills but moved to last player on the bench, because of his D . Coaches recruit very athletic guys but they are not letting them run or are they tired after playing so hard on defense . They do not move much on offense to get open . Coached may need to re evaluate the offensive scheme . The slow down ball screen , may have worked for X but not these guys . we can bring in shooters/ scorers but if the offense is not a priority then we may go through this for a while . the players are the guys who need to do the scoring but also feel the coaches need to take a closer look at themselves to see what they can do to make the players better scorers. Coach said a scorer not specifically a guard, so we will see... I am pretty confident that TK and MP (if back) will both average around 30 minutes and average 12+- and 16+- points respectively next year.
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Post by standiego on Mar 18, 2015 14:04:25 GMT -8
Think it will be important for the coaches to adjust the offense after they analyze the offense / players . Let the guys play more up tempo style . we had X style year before , then JJ style this year . Will be interesting depending on who exactly comes back, how our offense will proceed for 2015-16 . IMO TK is better at SG then PG . Do think we really need a guy that really knows how to be a PG that can facilitate other team mates. So first Aztec coaches need to talk with MP , WS , plus KZ, DA , DW to find out their status for 2016-16 and what they are going to need . Also have a good idea what they expect from JH coming in .
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Post by theoracle on Mar 18, 2015 18:55:40 GMT -8
You guys have it all wrong. We need a very good 5th year PG next season or we will be average at best for 2016.
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Post by smoothcat on Mar 18, 2015 20:57:18 GMT -8
You guys have it all wrong. We need a very good 5th year PG next season or we will be average at best for 2016. I agree that PG is the position that could perhaps be addressed with one of these 5th yr transfer deals. I have no idea who the candidates are for that but we have a great MBA program if someone wants to roll here and actually get a valuable degree.
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Post by Gundo on Mar 18, 2015 22:31:03 GMT -8
Meet Evan Payne 18/ppg 3/reb 2/ast 44%, 35% FG 79% FT. He is leaving LMU, one of three to say good bye this week. Each giving up $56,000 a year education in So Cal.
ttp://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/68089/evan-payne
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Post by Gundo on Mar 18, 2015 22:36:35 GMT -8
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Post by standiego on Mar 19, 2015 8:19:14 GMT -8
Believe Payne would have to sit next year , so no help there in 2015-16. Also if you add him you are taking away a scholarship for 2016 and 2017 seasons . The coaches are going to have to have a solid discussion with the current guys to who is coming back and make up of the squad . Hopefully MP comes back and WS . That could be a lot of offense if we shift the offense into attack mode instead of a slow down style . We also add JH , ZC with TK, who could bring offense .
Also in question ,who comes back DA , DW and KZ - Zabo has the ability to put numbers on the board , he did for his AAU team , HS and was doing ok here . But it was his D that sent him to the bench . Bring in a guard and they better play D or they could sit also , not that easy to master the Aztec D . Strange as it seems, we lose Polee , JJ , possibly WS and DA , most of the guys that play solid D , we could have a better offense then defense .
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