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Post by AztecBill on Mar 16, 2015 8:10:00 GMT -8
M. Thomas was a player who went to a WCC school ,then went to a JC , then on to the Aztecs so he was a "bounce back " and JC payer. He went to the JC ,so he could play there then at SDSU ,did not have to sit a year . If he had sat a year at SDSU - red shirt - he would have had three years here not two . Yes there are good JC players ,and even better guys who are the regular or senior grad transfers ,that you may add to the roster to fill a void or two as needed . But IMO you build a strong core group with quality HS recruits . Also believe Zabo could be a quality PG , if given the opportunity . Too bad he did not red shirt this year- and hope since he knows the system he stays here . Yes he did get the opportunity in practice , but do not think the TK as PG turned out beneficial to TK , Zabo or the Aztecs . The coaches decided the best way to go was AQ , TK at PG , and their decision is the one that matters . As we have learned it is important for the PG to play defense as well as the offense so we will see what happens for 2015-16 season. I am really glad he didn't redshirt this season. It would have been a very bad decision for him and the Aztecs. If he did redshirt then he would lose a year if he transferred. By playing this year, he got a taste of what his Aztecs career will likely entail, if he stays.
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Post by AzTex on Mar 16, 2015 9:15:51 GMT -8
I just looked at the top 60 2014 Juco commits by conference, and was surprise on which conference signed the most players. Granted it depends on each school but here's a quick rundown on where Juco Players transfer and played D1 basketball this season. (Note after player 60 it gets pretty fragmented and less focused.) 1. Big 12 - 11 2. AAC - 10 3. SEC - 9 4. PAC 12 - 8 5. ACC - 4 5. B1G - 4 7. Big East - 3 10. MWC - 2 (UNM and CSU) 10. MVC -2 10. CUSA - 2 Other - 5 I find that list very funny. I remember way back in the Coryell/Gilbert days when the Pac 8 looked down on us because of all the JC transfers on our football team. Now they're near the top of the list for bringing in JC players in basketball.
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Post by standiego on Mar 16, 2015 9:21:38 GMT -8
As for all of us it is a matter of our opinion .The only one that counts is the coaching staff. I do not see the TK experiment as one that was successful , for him ,he seemed out of position at PG . In addition it did not give either Zabo or DW time there and we really could have used a true PG , for at least a back up. IMO you need a guy with full court vision that sees the open team mate for an easier score, TK seems to me best suited to play SG ,his natural position .his performance seemed to slip as the MW season was winding down . I do think it would have been better for Zabo to have red shirted . He would have had a year to learn the system and be a part of the Aztecs , both on and off the court . He would still have 4 years to play . Not 3 more years to play . This year there was an overload at guards (6) Zabo , DW , MS , Polee , AQ , TK . Polee did miss most of the season but that still meant 5 for 2 positions , or 6 with DA,who sometimes played Defending guard on the other teams best guard if needed when Polee was out .
Some people do not think it pays to red shirt but IMO , Zabo and the team would have benefitted if he would have. Again the only opinion that really counts are the coaches and the player .
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Post by Den60 on Mar 17, 2015 8:51:50 GMT -8
M. Thomas was a player who went to a WCC school ,then went to a JC , then on to the Aztecs so he was a "bounce back " and JC payer. He went to the JC ,so he could play there then at SDSU ,did not have to sit a year . If he had sat a year at SDSU - red shirt - he would have had three years here not two . Yes there are good JC players ,and even better guys who are the regular or senior grad transfers ,that you may add to the roster to fill a void or two as needed . But IMO you build a strong core group with quality HS recruits . Also believe Zabo could be a quality PG , if given the opportunity . Too bad he did not red shirt this year- and hope since he knows the system he stays here . Yes he did get the opportunity in practice , but do not think the TK as PG turned out beneficial to TK , Zabo or the Aztecs . The coaches decided the best way to go was AQ , TK at PG , and their decision is the one that matters . As we have learned it is important for the PG to play defense as well as the offense so we will see what happens for 2015-16 season. Hey Stan, can you please explain why you think this? Trey got valuable playing time during the year that you will see the next 3 years will pay off. He may just be the better player at this point of his career that as a TRUE freshmen can come in and start for a top 25 team. Kell isn't a PG. He isn't quick or athletic enough for that position. He could be a pretty good two but the pressures of playing the point I think have muted him offensively. He has been hesitant on offense, especially from the outside. Our three point shooting suffers from not having a PG who can penetrate the middle and dish it outside. That means you have to move the ball around the key to try to get an open shot and teams have focused on contesting Shrigley more than Kell.
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Post by standiego on Mar 17, 2015 9:59:58 GMT -8
Playing PG is not easy , especially trying to make the change from another position to PG as a Freshman . The coaches have tried it with WS , TK and even AQ or JJ. To me they all seem out of position and not doing their natural talents . IMO it is very important for the PG to have very good court vision , seeing your team mates in the open ,or directing them where to go , making them better players and scorers . TK was a very good scorer in HS , that is what we need him to be here also . He , and AQ do not seem to be guys that are pass first , or attack to the basket then dish off . There was a log jam there . Polee , Shrigley. and TK . Also AQ became more of a shooter so JJ became the point forward . We did not really use a guard as a facilitator this year . Who knows about next year . We have TK , Shrigley back , then add J.H. , do not know what DW and KZ will do , that would make 5 guards . Unless some of the SF do not return . A lot of speculation . We should have a better idea by the end of April or the start of May .
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Post by uncledougy on Mar 18, 2015 7:17:20 GMT -8
We've yet to land a PG in the last two classes. We need one. I'd also like a reliable outside shot. Nothing wrong with some diversity of 6'4 to 6'9 athletes. All of us would like to see a little more offense. I would think a highly rated PG would be salivating at the opportunity to play at San Diego State and for Coach Fisher. The chances of being an impact player for all 4 years is highly likely. The kid could come in and get a ton of minutes right away. With all the peices in place around the PG spot, it's a huge opportunity for a HS senior looking to play on TV and in front of NBA scouts. Why it doesn't happen is purplexing to me.
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Post by uncledougy on Mar 18, 2015 7:20:00 GMT -8
By the way, Sean Harris at Utah State is a JC transfer. Don't remember if I saw him on the list. He went to high school down the street from my house, then went to Yuba JC, then on a 2 year mission before playing this year (and last?). He must be 28 or so by now!! (Kidding of course, but he is older than most kids)
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Post by standiego on Mar 18, 2015 8:01:03 GMT -8
First coaches sit down with the guys to see who is coming back , then start to put the pieces together ,as to what the team needs for 2015-16 season and 2016-17 . The transfer list is just starting to get started and should be loaded by the end of April . Any JUCO transfer means 1 less scholarship for 2016 class also .
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Post by Gundo on Mar 18, 2015 9:28:36 GMT -8
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Post by Gundo on Mar 20, 2015 3:34:21 GMT -8
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Post by Gundo on Mar 20, 2015 3:47:16 GMT -8
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Post by standiego on Mar 20, 2015 8:18:47 GMT -8
His stat sheet in his first year at the JC , only started 7 of 34 games , averagedonly 15 minutes but had 2 blocks per game . 6 points , 5 rebounds , 41 FT%- Not sure if this is the same JC, Webb for BSU played at . If you only play 1 year at a JC do you have to red shirt a year before you can play D-1 college.? with 3 to play ?
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Post by Gundo on Mar 20, 2015 12:36:26 GMT -8
His stat sheet in his first year at the JC , only started 7 of 34 games , averagedonly 15 minutes but had 2 blocks per game . 6 points , 5 rebounds , 41 FT%- Not sure if this is the same JC, Webb for BSU played at . If you only play 1 year at a JC do you have to red shirt a year before you can play D-1 college.? with 3 to play ? Piling up offers, today UNLV, Seton Hall, K-State, Ole Miss. Yes it's odd that he only started 7 games in JuCo but t was a run and gun team. After one year he still has upside and length. www.verbalcommits.com/players/ray-kasongo
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Post by standiego on Mar 20, 2015 14:02:48 GMT -8
If he does transfer to a D 1 program , does he sit a year then have 3 to play . Or does he need 2 years to get his grades in order , then transfer and get 2 years to play ?
Also shows how difficult it is to get quality 5/C players. So colleges are after them. Only plays 15 minutes per game? . 41 % FT not helping him . the other thing is you never know about the quality of the opponents centers you are going to play against at the JC level .
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Post by Gundo on Apr 4, 2015 9:03:00 GMT -8
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Post by aztecfury on Apr 4, 2015 16:27:40 GMT -8
I don't think we should go for a juco transfer, it doesn't make sense when we are competing and getting 4* freshmen recruits now. We should get a senior transfer for 2015.
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