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Post by Gundo on Mar 15, 2015 10:30:38 GMT -8
I just looked at the top 60 2014 Juco commits by conference, and was surprise on which conference signed the most players. Granted it depends on each school but here's a quick rundown on where Juco Players transfer and played D1 basketball this season. (Note after player 60 it gets pretty fragmented and less focused.)
1. Big 12 - 11 2. AAC - 10 3. SEC - 9 4. PAC 12 - 8 5. ACC - 4 5. B1G - 4 7. Big East - 3 10. MWC - 2 (UNM and CSU) 10. MVC -2 10. CUSA - 2 Other - 5
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Post by Gundo on Mar 15, 2015 11:31:15 GMT -8
2014 MWC Juco Transfer
6 Jordan Goodman 6'9 SF Harcum JC New Mexico
53 Gian Clavell 6'3 G NW Kansas Tech Colorado State
67 Fred Richardson 6'5 G Lee College Colorado State
89 Kevin Allen 6'9 C Pratt CC Boise State
97 Montigo Alford 5'9 G Southern Idaho Boise State
100 Tyrone Criswell 6'4 F Central CC Nevada
2013 MWC Juco Transfer
#7 Jelan Kendrick 6'6 G Indian Hills (IA) UNLV
#12 Deshawn Delaney 6'5 G Vincennes (IN) New Mexico
#20 Deville Smith 6'0 G SW Mississippi UNLV
#28 Alex Davis 6'9 F Hutchinson CC (KS) Fresno State
#55 Marcus Holt 6'10 C Paris JC (TX) Colorado State
#60 Arthur Edwards 6'7 G/F NW Florida State New Mexico
#75 Darnell Taylor 6'4 G Saddleback CC (CA) Boise St.
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Post by fisherville on Mar 15, 2015 12:18:55 GMT -8
No
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Post by Gundo on Mar 15, 2015 12:39:01 GMT -8
I suggest Australian options (we've seen MWC success and POY candidates) we open the doors to transfers (some proven top MWC players) No again. What about Canada, FV =Zabo and Narain?
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Post by standiego on Mar 15, 2015 13:08:23 GMT -8
IMO , Aztecs should base the vast majority of their recruiting to top 100 HS recruits , then add a transfer to supplement a position or two . We are doing that now as is UNLV . CSU ....is having to live on JC's or transfers, been there and done that. If we can recruit top 100 HS recruits then stay with that - it shows the difference between a true program vs a schools that are not there yet .
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Post by Gundo on Mar 15, 2015 15:27:10 GMT -8
We've yet to land a PG in the last two classes. We need one. I'd also like a reliable outside shot. Nothing wrong with some diversity of 6'4 to 6'9 athletes.
All of us would like to see a little more offense.
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Post by Gundo on Mar 15, 2015 15:31:01 GMT -8
BTW 48 of the top 60 Jucos or 80% go to the Big 12, Pac12, SEC and AAC. Those conference all win games too.
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Post by standiego on Mar 15, 2015 15:47:07 GMT -8
NM had the third best JC transfer this year but did not exactly set the MW on fire . Look at the best players in the P5 they are mostly HS recruits . Yes the Aztecs could add a JUCO , if there is a fit but IMO , prefer we concentrate on getting quality HS recruits first .
I also believe if Zabo had been given more opportunities this year and is here next year could be a quality PG . Have not been overly excited with the PG experiments WS , AQ , TK . It is not an easy position to learn during your college career , DJ was able to do it but lately there have been difficulties . I do not know how much PG 2015 recruit JH ,has played this year in HS .also what the coaches think of DW . who would be a junior in 2015.
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Post by Gundo on Mar 15, 2015 16:54:44 GMT -8
There are a few strong starters from Juco, 2014.
Ranking First Name Last Name Height Position School Committed To
1 Josh Gray 6'0 PG Odessa JC LSU - Starter 30 games, 7 pts, 4 asst 25 min. Team 22-10, NCAA tourney 2 Kadeem Allen 6'3 SG Hutchinson CC Arizona Bench - DNP. Team 31-3, NCAA tourney. 3 Dwayne Benjamin 6'7 SF Mt. San Jacinto Oregon - Starter 32 games, 8.5 pts 6 Rebs. Team 25-9, NCAA tourney 4 Deng Deng 6'8 F Lee College Baylor - Bench 23 games, 3 pts 2 Rebs. Team 24-9, NCAA tourney. 5 Cinmeon Bowers 6'7 F Chipola Auburn -Starter 34 games, 12 pts, 10 Rebs. Team 15-20. 6 Jordan Goodman 6'9 SF Harcum JC New Mexico - Bench 19 games, 6.5 pts, 2.5 Rebs. Team 15-16 7 Trashon Burrell 6'7 SF Lee College Memphis - Starter 31 games, 9 pts, 5 Rebs. Team 18-14. 8 Sam Cassell Jr. 6'3 PG Chipola UConn - Bench 18 games, 4pts 1, 1 asst & reb. Team 20-14. 9 Stephen Hurt 6'10 F NW Florida St. Kansas St. - Bench 29 games, 4 pts 3 Rebs. Team 15-17. 10 Trey Dickerson 6'1 PG Williston St. Iowa -Bench 15 games, 3 pts 1 asst. Team 21-11. NCAA Tourney.
11 Gary Payton II 6'4 G Salt Lake CC Oregon St. Starter 31 games, 13.5 pts 7.5 Rebs 3 asts Team 17-14. 12 Stefan Moody 5'11 PG Kilgore Ole Miss Starter 32 games, 16.5 pts 3.5 Rebs 2 asts Team 20-12. 13 Lester Medford 5'11 PG Indian Hills Baylor - Bench 33 games, 8 pts, 1.5 Rebs, 3 assts. team 24-9, NCAA Tourney. 14 Willie Atwood 6'8 F Connors St. Arizona St. - Bench 30 games, 3 pts, 2 Rebs, Team 17-15. 15 Jeff Newberry 6'3 PG New Mexico JC Oklahoma St. - Starter 31 games, 7 pts, 2.5 Rebs, 1.5 assts. Team 18-13, NCAA Tourney. 16 Shane Henry 6'8 F Georgia Perimeter Virginia Tech - Bench 17 Anthony Allen 7'0 F/C Lamar St. Port Arthur Oklahoma St. Bench team 18-13, NCAA Tourney. 18 Roosevelt Scott 6'3 SG Indian Hills Arizona St. Bench. Team 17-15. 19 Carlos Morris 6'6 SF Chipola Minnesota starter 31 games, 11pts, 3 Rebs Team 18-15. 20 Tarik Phillip 6'3 SG Independence CC West Virginia Bench 31 games, 3 pts, 1.5 Rebs. Team 23-9, NCAA tourney.
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Post by ron on Mar 15, 2015 17:54:22 GMT -8
We've yet to land a PG in the last two classes. We need one. I'd also like a reliable outside shot. Nothing wrong with some diversity of 6'4 to 6'9 athletes. All of us would like to see a little more offense. Well, Fish seems to think Kell can play the point and Zabo is a PG too.
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Post by standiego on Mar 15, 2015 18:41:15 GMT -8
Believe Aztecs have had better luck with "bounce back transfers , X , JJ , Polee , AQ, M. T . , Lo Wade , Bland , Davis , ... then we have had with JUCO 's "
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Post by AztecBill on Mar 15, 2015 20:42:44 GMT -8
NM had the third best JC transfer this year but did not exactly set the MW on fire . Look at the best players in the P5 they are mostly HS recruits . Yes the Aztecs could add a JUCO , if there is a fit but IMO , prefer we concentrate on getting quality HS recruits first . I also believe if Zabo had been given more opportunities this year and is here next year could be a quality PG . Have not been overly excited with the PG experiments WS , AQ , TK . It is not an easy position to learn during your college career , DJ was able to do it but lately there have been difficulties . I do not know how much PG 2015 recruit JH ,has played this year in HS .also what the coaches think of DW . who would be a junior in 2015. Zabo gets an opportunity to play at every practice and has not been what you keep saying he can be. Deal with it.
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Post by AztecBill on Mar 15, 2015 20:45:33 GMT -8
High school players and transfers are a better path overall but we would jump on another Malcolm Thomas in a second.
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Post by azzfan on Mar 15, 2015 21:32:37 GMT -8
High school players and transfers are a better path overall but we would jump on another Malcolm Thomas in a second. Exactly. We will need a more capable post player next year. Heck, we need one this year.
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Post by AztecBill on Mar 15, 2015 23:19:21 GMT -8
High school players and transfers are a better path overall but we would jump on another Malcolm Thomas in a second. Exactly. We will need a more capable post player next year. Heck, we need one this year. That wasn't my point. I meant we would take someone at his level even though he was a JC.
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Post by aztecfury on Mar 16, 2015 0:01:31 GMT -8
Do JC players have to sit a year?
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Post by Gundo on Mar 16, 2015 0:53:37 GMT -8
Do JC players have to sit a year? No.
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Post by azzfan on Mar 16, 2015 6:00:01 GMT -8
Exactly. We will need a more capable post player next year. Heck, we need one this year. That wasn't my point. I meant we would take someone at his level even though he was a JC. I knew what your point was Bill.
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Post by standiego on Mar 16, 2015 7:07:15 GMT -8
M. Thomas was a player who went to a WCC school ,then went to a JC , then on to the Aztecs so he was a "bounce back " and JC payer. He went to the JC ,so he could play there then at SDSU ,did not have to sit a year . If he had sat a year at SDSU - red shirt - he would have had three years here not two . Yes there are good JC players ,and even better guys who are the regular or senior grad transfers ,that you may add to the roster to fill a void or two as needed . But IMO you build a strong core group with quality HS recruits . Also believe Zabo could be a quality PG , if given the opportunity . Too bad he did not red shirt this year- and hope since he knows the system he stays here . Yes he did get the opportunity in practice , but do not think the TK as PG turned out beneficial to TK , Zabo or the Aztecs . The coaches decided the best way to go was AQ , TK at PG , and their decision is the one that matters . As we have learned it is important for the PG to play defense as well as the offense so we will see what happens for 2015-16 season.
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Post by aztec619 on Mar 16, 2015 7:41:22 GMT -8
M. Thomas was a player who went to a WCC school ,then went to a JC , then on to the Aztecs so he was a "bounce back " and JC payer. He went to the JC ,so he could play there then at SDSU ,did not have to sit a year . If he had sat a year at SDSU - red shirt - he would have had three years here not two . Yes there are good JC players ,and even better guys who are the regular or senior grad transfers ,that you may add to the roster to fill a void or two as needed . But IMO you build a strong core group with quality HS recruits . Also believe Zabo could be a quality PG , if given the opportunity . Too bad he did not red shirt this year- and hope since he knows the system he stays here . Yes he did get the opportunity in practice , but do not think the TK as PG turned out beneficial to TK , Zabo or the Aztecs . The coaches decided the best way to go was AQ , TK at PG , and their decision is the one that matters . As we have learned it is important for the PG to play defense as well as the offense so we will see what happens for 2015-16 season. Hey Stan, can you please explain why you think this? Trey got valuable playing time during the year that you will see the next 3 years will pay off. He may just be the better player at this point of his career that as a TRUE freshmen can come in and start for a top 25 team.
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