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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 13:44:45 GMT -8
If you practice it, you'll get good at it. Kids don't practice it any more. I'm not saying make it your bread and butter. I'm saying having it opens up your game and forces teams to defend differently. It makes for a more complete offensive player. The fact that 3 point efficiency and mid range efficiency are about the same tells me that the 3 point line is probably in too close. The 3 point line really messes with certain players who are far better served by taking a couple of steps in instead of shooting from behind the arc. I don't think overall or league wide stats are necessarily telling when it comes to this.
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Post by AzTex on Mar 6, 2015 15:08:56 GMT -8
I've played with people who are really good with it.. I suppose I should've been more grounded with my examples. Thames is another one who lived off the midrange jumper. There's plenty of college players that are comfortable and good with it, just not on this team since we can't shoot. A more difficult layup because a 6'10 big dude comes up to help on defense is often a lot tougher than a pull up jumper Anecdotal evidence < Volumes of statistical evidence No one is saying that there aren't players that are effective at 2 point mid-range jump shots. It does NOT follow that 2 point mid-ranged jump shots should be re-emphasized. As a group, collectively, college basketball players are more efficient with three-point shots than with two-point mid range jump shots. As a group, collectively, college basketball players are much more efficient with layups (usually dunks) than with two-point mid range jump shots. The #1 reason that the mid-range jump shot is devalued is because of the 3 point shot. On Aztex' point that scoring was higher previously, I'm not super sure about that. However, players are bigger, stronger and faster than they used to be, but the court size has not changed. I don't have any empirical data to support my claim. I can't use Aztec scoring from the past to compare to recent scoring because of the change in defensive philosophy. It just seems in looking at basketball scores today versus what I remember that there used to be a lot of 80, 90 point games and now most games are in the 70's with a few in the 80's. The shot clock may or may not be the cause. I don't know. It doesn't seem to have increased scoring to me.
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Post by aztecgold on Mar 6, 2015 15:34:05 GMT -8
Ladies play with 30 second clock so why can't the men? Extend the area around the key for charge calls. No need to change 3 point or lane area yet since that is an expensive change.
If you read the article by Kobe Bryant, and I rarely agree with him, but he was right on when he said the problem with college basketball is the AAU play. Young players in America go to these AAU events all summer, play 4 or 5 games in a day, never play any defense conserving their energy, don't care anything about winning, and just play showtime basketball which means they focus on dunking. No fundamentals are being taught. In Europe, all they do is work on fundamentals and shooting the basketball.
BTW, this deterioration of basketball in the USA started with Michael Jordan and ESPN highlights. All they show are dunks. They don't show the fundamentally sound plays. Players emulate this and don't really work on their shooting or fundamentally sound basketball, just dunks.
Also, I have coached basketball and about 15-20 years ago coaches on club teams started coaching a very physical style of defense where you pretty much are fouling on every play. The referees either call a foul on every play and foul every one out of the game or stop calling fouls. They pretty much swallowed their whistles and stopped calling fouls for the most part. Now unless you drive to the basket and force the ref to call a foul, fouls are rarely called. The problem is once the refs call it one way it is hard to go back to the way it should be called. I will say this for the Aztecs, they do not play as physical as some teams, like UA, which seems to foul on every play.
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Post by uwphoto on Mar 6, 2015 17:35:45 GMT -8
I've played with people who are really good with it.. I suppose I should've been more grounded with my examples. Thames is another one who lived off the midrange jumper. There's plenty of college players that are comfortable and good with it, just not on this team since we can't shoot. A more difficult layup because a 6'10 big dude comes up to help on defense is often a lot tougher than a pull up jumper Thames was just OK at the mid-range jumper - 40.1% (85-212) in 2013-2014. The Aztecs should not allow it except for short clock situations. Most players have a higher 3 point percentage off an assist than a 2 point percentage by creating. The one thing that really sets it in stone is fouls. Very rarely do players get fouled shooting a J. The Aztecs should not allow a mid-range shot.. except late in the clock?? So you want the a poor shooting team like the Aztecs shooting a high percentage of threes in the upcoming NCAA? Not going far are we? ... Why do you think Steph Curry is so effective from 3? Because he can drive and shoot from anywhere. Defenders have to respect his ability to create from mid-range and closer. If Curry was only a 3-point specialist, he would not be an all star. We don't respect mid-range because we don't have anybody who is great at it (since Abukar). Winston sure teases us with it though. Sometimes it looks like he can really put a string together from mid-range. The guy who could really use a mid range game is Shrigley. If he could develop that, the whole world would open up for him. A lot of have had great mid range games. Its all about the ability to shoot. The greatest scorer in College hoop history (pistol Pete) could shoot from anywhere. That's what young guys should pattern their games after.. the past..Pistol Pete.... modern.. Steph Curry and the Darantula. Stop focusing on the dunk and the 3 exclusively.
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Post by AztecBill on Mar 6, 2015 18:13:47 GMT -8
Thames was just OK at the mid-range jumper - 40.1% (85-212) in 2013-2014. The Aztecs should not allow it except for short clock situations. Most players have a higher 3 point percentage off an assist than a 2 point percentage by creating. The one thing that really sets it in stone is fouls. Very rarely do players get fouled shooting a J. The Aztecs should not allow a mid-range shot.. except late in the clock?? So you want the a poor shooting team like the Aztecs shooting a high percentage of threes in the upcoming NCAA? Not going far are we? ... Why do you think Steph Curry is so effective from 3? Because he can drive and shoot from anywhere. Defenders have to respect his ability to create from mid-range and closer. If Curry was only a 3-point specialist, he would not be an all star. We don't respect mid-range because we don't have anybody who is great at it (since Abukar). Winston sure teases us with it though. Sometimes it looks like he can really put a string together from mid-range. The guy who could really use a mid range game is Shrigley. If he could develop that, the whole world would open up for him. A lot of have had great mid range games. Its all about the ability to shoot. The greatest scorer in College hoop history (pistol Pete) could shoot from anywhere. That's what young guys should pattern their games after.. the past..Pistol Pete.... modern.. Steph Curry and the Darantula. Stop focusing on the dunk and the 3 exclusively. Gee, I saw JJ take 20 shots and not one was a dunk or a 3, but he shot exactly what we should be striving to shoot. Our players shoot better from 3 than 2 point jump shots.
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Post by uwphoto on Mar 6, 2015 18:45:27 GMT -8
The Aztecs should not allow a mid-range shot.. except late in the clock?? So you want the a poor shooting team like the Aztecs shooting a high percentage of threes in the upcoming NCAA? Not going far are we? ... Why do you think Steph Curry is so effective from 3? Because he can drive and shoot from anywhere. Defenders have to respect his ability to create from mid-range and closer. If Curry was only a 3-point specialist, he would not be an all star. We don't respect mid-range because we don't have anybody who is great at it (since Abukar). Winston sure teases us with it though. Sometimes it looks like he can really put a string together from mid-range. The guy who could really use a mid range game is Shrigley. If he could develop that, the whole world would open up for him. A lot of have had great mid range games. Its all about the ability to shoot. The greatest scorer in College hoop history (pistol Pete) could shoot from anywhere. That's what young guys should pattern their games after.. the past..Pistol Pete.... modern.. Steph Curry and the Darantula. Stop focusing on the dunk and the 3 exclusively. Gee, I saw JJ take 20 shots and not one was a dunk or a 3, but he shot exactly what we should be striving to shoot. Our players shoot better from 3 than 2 point jump shots. We are considered a "poor shooting" team by every account I see... and hear on the televised games. Of course we didn't have to be told that if you've ever played or watched games for years. And its exactly because we don't shoot from mid range very well. JJ doesn't shoot 3's very often. If we play a team in the NCAA and they know we are going to focus our game on the 3-ball, they will be licking their chops, take it to the bank.
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