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Post by thepapacy on Feb 28, 2015 22:06:43 GMT -8
Again, this is when the worst posters in Aztecmesa come out, after tough losses. These posters are most charitably characterized as emotional infants. At worst, they are ignorant, they lack perspective, they misinterpret pretty much everything that doesn't conform to their biases, and they couldn't analyze their way out of a paper bag. If these posters had any sense of decorum or self-awareness they wouldn't post for 24 hours after a loss; better yet, they wouldn't post at all. Best to accept it, ignore them, and move on. I find it agonizingly difficult to ignore them. I couldn't care less what BS they want to spew, but I know that players and coaches and parents read this stuff. That's the worst part.
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Post by aztecnation76 on Feb 28, 2015 22:07:38 GMT -8
Quick question for you: With as bad as the conference truly is this season, don't you feel that SDSU(or any team for that matter) would have to at the very least win a share of the regular season conference title to deserve a chance to go dancing? Otherwise, would you not agree they would have to win the conference tournament to go dancing? Seems like a fair assessment to me. Especially with how down the conference truly is this season. It is not a fair assessment, nor a correct one. I'm simply asking your assessment on the question, not Lunardi's.
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Post by thepapacy on Feb 28, 2015 22:09:30 GMT -8
It is not a fair assessment, nor a correct one. I'm simply asking your assessment on the question, not Lunardi's. You didn't ask for an assessment you asked if I agreed with yours. The answer is no, and my addendum is that not only do I disagree but from a factual standpoint it is not correct.
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Post by sd5tate on Feb 28, 2015 22:12:59 GMT -8
This team is one of the best defensive teams in the country, they are getting in the tournament. Tired of this best defensive team in school history or one of the top three blah blah....if they are so good, why did they get blown out at UW, BSU or first half of on most certain games? If they were this good, they would win all of their games given the schedule and this weak conference. I'd rather have a good offensive team because defense is just effort and hoping the other team dont do too well. Granted this is a good defensive team but not elite status. At times, this defensive team tend to play down on opponents level of competition and it leads to the offensive side as well.
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Post by aztecnation76 on Feb 28, 2015 22:17:47 GMT -8
I'm simply asking your assessment on the question, not Lunardi's. You didn't ask for an assessment you asked if I agreed with yours. The answer is no, and my addendum is that not only do I disagree but from a factual standpoint it is not correct. Fair enough. If you don't mind,in your own assessment, what makes you feel at the current moment that they automatically deserve a bid without at the very least winning a share of the conference title yet up to this point?
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Post by thepapacy on Feb 28, 2015 22:21:37 GMT -8
You didn't ask for an assessment you asked if I agreed with yours. The answer is no, and my addendum is that not only do I disagree but from a factual standpoint it is not correct. Fair enough. If you don't mind,in your own assessment, what makes you feel at the current moment that they automatically deserve a bid without at the very least winning a share of the conference title yet up to this point? What makes me feel at the current moment that they deserve a bid without at the very least winning a share of the conference title yet is our resume compared to every other team in the country's resume. 4-5 wins against the top 50, an RPI in the mid to high 20's, and mid twenties wins with a decent OOC and out of a decent conference. We are nowhere near the bubble according to anyone with an opinion worth considering... So can you show me 15-20 teams behind us that have better resumes? If we lose three in a row, we'll be one of the last 4 in, and that will be deserved as well.
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Post by aztecnation76 on Feb 28, 2015 22:34:51 GMT -8
Fair enough. If you don't mind,in your own assessment, what makes you feel at the current moment that they automatically deserve a bid without at the very least winning a share of the conference title yet up to this point? What makes me feel at the current moment that they deserve a bid without at the very least winning a share of the conference title yet is our resume compared to every other team in the country's resume. 4-5 wins against the top 50, an RPI in the mid to high 20's, and mid twenties wins with a decent OOC and out of a decent conference. We are nowhere near the bubble according to anyone with an opinion worth considering... So can you show me 15-20 teams behind us that have better resumes? If we lose three in a row, we'll be one of the last 4 in, and that will be deserved as well. Last I checked SDSU was 2-3 vs the top 50. Not exactly great. RPI is a little over bloated by not only what they have done, but what the other teams we have played have done Decent wins vs BYU and Pitt. That's about it OOC wise. Key word being decent Good overall conference record being tied for first in a bad conference. Look, I hear what you're saying to a certain extent. However, I feel with a slightly above average OOC showing and playing in a conference not even rated in the top 10 RPI wise, I would still feel, imo, that they would have to at the very least win their final 2 games to win a share of the regular season conference title in order to have any shot of getting in the dance. Otherwise, win the conference tourney outright for the automatic bid. I firmly believe a lot of the respect they have garnered nationally by the media recently over the past 5 years or so is earning them more respect that what I have seen from them this season. Just giving my honest assessment.
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Post by sdoc on Feb 28, 2015 22:37:53 GMT -8
Aztecs had an off night. Before this game all everyone could talk about where how this team is coming together at the right time. Boise is hot and they have a great scorer. They needed to win this game to have a shot at making the tourney so they really had more on the line. Losing Polee should not be ignored. He would have made a difference if healthy this season. This Aztec team has some big wins and tough loses but also has many young players getting meaningful minutes. This team will win the next two games, likely end up in the MWC championship game and make the tourney as a lower seed than in past years, but they have the ability and the talent to beat top teams. Don't sleep on the Aztecs, they could get hot and get a couple favorable match-ups in the big dance.
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Post by thepapacy on Feb 28, 2015 22:46:01 GMT -8
What makes me feel at the current moment that they deserve a bid without at the very least winning a share of the conference title yet is our resume compared to every other team in the country's resume. 4-5 wins against the top 50, an RPI in the mid to high 20's, and mid twenties wins with a decent OOC and out of a decent conference. We are nowhere near the bubble according to anyone with an opinion worth considering... So can you show me 15-20 teams behind us that have better resumes? If we lose three in a row, we'll be one of the last 4 in, and that will be deserved as well. Last I checked SDSU was 2-3 vs the top 50. Not exactly great. RPI is a little over bloated by not only what they have done, but what the other teams we have played have done Decent wins vs BYU and Pitt. That's about it OOC wise. Key word being decent Good overall conference record being tied for first in a bad conference. Look, I hear what you're saying to a certain extent. However, I feel with a slightly above average OOC showing and playing in a conference not even rated in the top 10 RPI wise, I would still feel, imo, that they would have to at the very least win their final 2 games to win a share of the regular season conference title in order to have any shot of getting in the dance. Otherwise, win the conference tourney outright for the automatic bid. I firmly believe a lot of the respect they have garnered nationally by the media recently over the past 5 years or so is earning them more respect that what I have seen from them this season. Just giving my honest assessment. That's why I said you're entitled to your opinion. It isn't correct, but it is yours. Top 50 wins:: Utah BYU Pitt (probably) CSU (and one or two more vs. BSU and CSU in the MW tourney) RPI may be bloated but it matters regardless. You also cant disregard our RPI when it helps us and then use it to rank our conference to hurt us at the same time. Like I said, you can believe what you wrote if you want, but rest easy man, we're in and it has nothing to do with history. We go through this every year when people say "ohhh the MW sht the bed in the tourney last year we'll get no respect from the committee mur mur murrrr"... It doesn't work like that.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Feb 28, 2015 22:50:10 GMT -8
This was a really bad loss, no doubt about it. The thing is, S.D.S.U. has talent this year, but it often does not come together to produce good offense to go with the superb defense. In other words, we are VERY inconsistent. Why is this so? Well, the loss of X Thames and, to a somewhat lesser extent, Josh Davis, has really hurt. Okay, that's not a news flash.
The other thing that has hurt has been the absence of Polee. For that matter, Angelo Chol has not been as big a plus as hoped for. And how about Williams, Zabo, and Allen? Are they still on the team? I guess there's some reason Fish is not using them. Whatever reason he may have, it's a fact that those three are not contributing. We are basically down to JJ, AQ, WS, Shrigley, SS, Pope, Chol, and Kell. That is down to the famous 8-man rotation that Fish likes. We might as well have a 9 or 10 man team since only 8 are going to account for well over 90% of the playing time.
The bottom line is that, considering who is producing and who is not this year, and what was lost from last year, perhaps we should be happy that the team is 22-7 at this point. Some games they are great and some games you wonder who those guys are. I just hope we can make it to the NCAA tournament and not end up a one-and-done disappointment. If my hope is realized, I would think a final record of about 25 or 26 wins would be the result. A team that wins 25 or more games may be a disappointment to some, but realistically 25 wins would be pretty good for this team.
AzWm
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Post by aztecnation76 on Feb 28, 2015 22:57:09 GMT -8
This was a really bad loss, no doubt about it. The thing is, S.D.S.U. has talent this year, but it often does not come together to produce good offense to go with the superb defense. In other words, we are VERY inconsistent. Why is this so? Well, the loss of X Thames and, to a somewhat lesser extent, Josh Davis, has really hurt. Okay, that's not a news flash. The other thing that has hurt has been the absence of Polee. For that matter, Angelo Chol has not been as big a plus as hoped for. And how about Williams, Zabo, and Allen? Are they still on the team? I guess there's some reason Fish is not using them. Whatever reason he may have, it's a fact that those three are not contributing. We are basically down to JJ, AQ, WS, Shrigley, SS, Pope, Chol, and Kell. That is down to the famous 8-man rotation that Fish likes. We might as well have a 9 or 10 man team since only 8 are going to account for well over 90% of the playing time. The bottom line is that, considering who is producing and who is not this year, and what was lost from last year, perhaps we should be happy that the team is 22-7 at this point. Some games they are great and some games you wonder who those guys are. I just hope we can make it to the NCAA tournament and not end up a one-and-done disappointment. If my hope is realized, I would think a final record of about 25 or 26 wins would be the result. A team that wins 25 or more games may be a disappointment to some, but realistically 25 wins would be pretty good for this team. AzWm IF this team wins the final 2 regular season games to claim at least a share of the conference title(always good to hang a banner. Albeit co-champs),wins the conference tournament and wins a game in the NCAA Tournament, THEN, and only then will I consider it a good season. Not exactly expectation wise(had them winning the season title outright and making the sweet 16 for the 3rd time in 5 years), but not a complete failure if they fail to do any of what I have mentioned, imo.
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Post by aztecnation76 on Feb 28, 2015 23:01:56 GMT -8
Last I checked SDSU was 2-3 vs the top 50. Not exactly great. RPI is a little over bloated by not only what they have done, but what the other teams we have played have done Decent wins vs BYU and Pitt. That's about it OOC wise. Key word being decent Good overall conference record being tied for first in a bad conference. Look, I hear what you're saying to a certain extent. However, I feel with a slightly above average OOC showing and playing in a conference not even rated in the top 10 RPI wise, I would still feel, imo, that they would have to at the very least win their final 2 games to win a share of the regular season conference title in order to have any shot of getting in the dance. Otherwise, win the conference tourney outright for the automatic bid. I firmly believe a lot of the respect they have garnered nationally by the media recently over the past 5 years or so is earning them more respect that what I have seen from them this season. Just giving my honest assessment. That's why I said you're entitled to your opinion. It isn't correct, but it is yours. Top 50 wins:: Utah BYU Pitt (probably) CSU (and one or two more vs. BSU and CSU in the MW tourney) RPI may be bloated but it matters regardless. You also cant disregard our RPI when it helps us and then use it to rank our conference to hurt us at the same time. Like I said, you can believe what you wrote if you want, but rest easy man, we're in and it has nothing to do with history. We go through this every year when people say "ohhh the MW sht the bed in the tourney last year we'll get no respect from the committee mur mur murrrr"... It doesn't work like that. Wasn't sure BYU was in the top 50. But after tonight's upset over the Zags, you could be right. Just going by the record CBSSports.com posted. Regardless, you're entitled to your opinion. You may very well be right. Just going off my expectation's, and the fact that they're in a down conference. So, being as it may, I would feel that at the very least a share of the conference title is warranted to get into the dance, imo. Otherwise, what does it tell you that they can't even win a share of a conference title in this bad league? Lets just hope they win their final 2 regular season games to ensure that doesn't happen. Regardless, to each it's own. Some expectation's are different than others.
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Post by thepapacy on Feb 28, 2015 23:08:09 GMT -8
That's why I said you're entitled to your opinion. It isn't correct, but it is yours. Top 50 wins:: Utah BYU Pitt (probably) CSU (and one or two more vs. BSU and CSU in the MW tourney) RPI may be bloated but it matters regardless. You also cant disregard our RPI when it helps us and then use it to rank our conference to hurt us at the same time. Like I said, you can believe what you wrote if you want, but rest easy man, we're in and it has nothing to do with history. We go through this every year when people say "ohhh the MW sht the bed in the tourney last year we'll get no respect from the committee mur mur murrrr"... It doesn't work like that. Wasn't sure BYU was in the top 50. But after tonight's upset over the Zags, you could be right. Just going by the record CBSSports.com posted. Regardless, you're entitled to your opinion. You may very well be right. Just going off my expectation's, and the fact that they're in a down conference. So, being as it may, I would feel that at the very least a share of the conference title is warranted to get into the dance, imo. Right now we're 4-5 vs. teams in the tournament or first four out. But agreed, let's win out, win the conference tourney (neither of which would be a surprise), and slide our way back up to a 6 or 7 instead of an 8 or 9.
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Post by sd5tate on Mar 1, 2015 0:10:18 GMT -8
Wasn't sure BYU was in the top 50. But after tonight's upset over the Zags, you could be right. Just going by the record CBSSports.com posted. Regardless, you're entitled to your opinion. You may very well be right. Just going off my expectation's, and the fact that they're in a down conference. So, being as it may, I would feel that at the very least a share of the conference title is warranted to get into the dance, imo. Right now we're 4-5 vs. teams in the tournament or first four out. But agreed, let's win out, win the conference tourney (neither of which would be a surprise), and slide our way back up to a 6 or 7 instead of an 8 or 9. I like this fool positive vibes! win out, win conference tourney and get a 6 or 7 seed. Lose 2-4 games, still get a 8 or 9 seed. I like the chances of winning out and getting a 5-8 seed rather than go to the NIT or second tier tourney with 2-4 losses. I am a fan of state and if they win out and loses in the semi of the conference tourney, they will be lucky to get a 11-13 seed because this is a two bid conference at best. (i.e CSU wins the tourney over BSU, both will go and state goes to NIT).....(BSU beats SDSU in finals, both goes)......(SDSU beats CSU in finals, either CSU or BSU gets a bid)......any team besides CSU/SDSU/BSU wins the tourney, all hell broke loooooose.
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Post by thepapacy on Mar 1, 2015 0:13:42 GMT -8
I like this fool positive vibes! win out, win conference tourney and get a 6 or 7 seed. Lose 2-4 games, still get a 8 or 9 seed. I like the chances of winning out and getting a 5-8 seed rather than go to the NIT or second tier tourney with 2-4 losses. I am a fan of state and if they win out and loses in the semi of the conference tourney, they will be lucky to get a 11-13 seed because this is a two bid conference at best. (i.e CSU wins the tourney over BSU, both will go and state goes to NIT).....(BSU beats SDSU in finals, both goes)......(SDSU beats CSU in finals, either CSU or BSU gets a bid)......any team besides CSU/SDSU/BSU wins the tourney, all hell broke loooooose. Some of your greatest hits (it's easy since you've only posted 29 times):: Whoa, this team is quiet an embarrassing and highly overrated. What the hell did JJ do to Fish to garner his role to be a starter. buckwheat polee needs to get his teeth fix to help his game, real talk this overrated team needs to lose everyone noticed since Fish signed that extension, team start playing like crap....you would hope they play better knowing he will be around for a while but I guess job security is/what matter most NIT but this year MWC is a one bid team and it is whomever wins the MWC tourney unless someone gets ranked and stay there for the duration of the season. you guys still high on this team, just be realistic. Here is my prediction: Loss: @unlv @csu @wyo @bsu @unm home loss: CSU UNLV so 7 losses in conference but that is just my opinion given the way they played recently and cant shoot. real talk....would be miracle if this team win 20 to keep the streak alive, mosy overrated team in sdsu history....ws13 probably the biggest joke to come to the mesa,..... and dont talk about jj, he must have please fisher off the court or something Just my 2 cent so hate all you want: - JJ just by looking at him, u get a sense hes the pot head type and based on his plays, - Kell see above comment on JJ, - polee, see above
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Post by Gundo on Mar 1, 2015 0:57:12 GMT -8
46 what the f@ck?
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