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Post by cvtower on Feb 28, 2015 13:36:17 GMT -8
Yes, the article highlights Boise State (among others), but I posted it anyway just to give a brief glimpse of what gives the Broncos, and the other schools listed, an upper hand (some things we might've already been aware of, other things not) over their fellow non Power 5 conference brethren. For sure SDSU and BSU are opposites when it comes to spending. I wasn't aware that Bronco's Coach Bryan Harsin new contract was in the $6 millions range. espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/12381829/boise-state-broncos-byu-cougars-lead-list-best-non-power-5-college-football-jobsOn a side note, Houston would make for a good home-and-home series. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Feb 28, 2015 13:42:19 GMT -8
Good god! S.D.S.U. not only does not make the list of 5 but is absent from the "just missed" list! ! ! ! Who made up this list? If this is an indication of how the nation generally views Aztec football, we are in worse trouble than I thought. (Colorado State on the just missed list and not S.D.S.U.  ) AzWm |
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Post by standiego on Feb 28, 2015 13:52:19 GMT -8
Little doubt this was written after last year and before teams hit the field this year . CSU could be in for a very interesting season losing their coach and QB .
would be interesting if BSU and SDSU had stayed in BE/ AAC conference .
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Post by Village Aztec on Feb 28, 2015 13:53:24 GMT -8
Wake up San Diego before it is to late.
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Post by thepapacy on Feb 28, 2015 14:01:18 GMT -8
If this is an indication of how the nation generally views Aztec football, we are in worse trouble than I thought. I'm not sure the nation generally views Aztec football at all. Not a slight, I've just turned on games way too many times IN CALIFORNIA where semi-regular general sports fans see us and go, "huh! didn't know you had a football team." |
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Post by Ambivalent_Fan on Feb 28, 2015 14:10:37 GMT -8
Harsin's salary in 2014 was $1.0 million with a potential for a $400K bonus (72nd out of 126 D1 coaches). Rocky Long's salary in 2014 was $800K with a potential for a $55K bonus (80th out of 126) sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/Yes...there is a $200K difference in salary.... Posters seem to want people to believe that Harsin was getting $6.25M per year and Rocky was getting $800K per year...once again distorting the facts to make a point (hey...but if it works for Fox News...why shouldn't it work for AM posters). |
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Feb 28, 2015 14:34:09 GMT -8
Good god! S.D.S.U. not only does not make the list of 5 but is absent from the "just missed" list! ! ! ! Who made up this list? If this is an indication of how the nation generally views Aztec football, we are in worse trouble than I thought. (Colorado State on the just missed list and not S.D.S.U. ) AzWm What does every one of those school on the best G5 schools and "just missed" group have in common? Hmmmmmm, let me think.... Oh yeah! They all have an On Campus Stadium! And most have top notch football specific facilities! Coincidence? I think not! Boise State"Albertsons Stadium is probably best known for its blue turf, the kind of enduring symbol that can be handy on the recruiting trail, but it's also grown into one of the best home-field advantages in college football. The Bleymaier Football Center, a $22 million facility completed in 2013, has all the bells and whistles, including a multistory theater." BYU"Since its expansion in 1982, LaVell Edwards Stadium has consistently ranked among the top 25 nationally in attendance. The 65,000-seat stadium also has a spectacular view of the Wasatch Mountains and is a great setting for football. The Cougars' indoor practice facility is one of the largest in the country." Cincinnati"Nippert Stadium just underwent an $86 million renovation that will raise capacity from 35,000 to 40,000." Houston"Moreover, Houston just finished its first season in its new, $128 million, on-campus TDECU Stadium, which seats 40,000 and replaced the old Robertson Stadium." UCF"Fan attendance hasn't been great, but UCF built 45,323-seat Bright House Networks Stadium in 2007 and is adding a beach-themed bar area to the stadium in 2015. There's a separate football complex by the stadium and an indoor practice facility. It's a program that has come a long way since its Mid-American Conference days and playing its home games at the Citrus Bowl in downtown Orlando." Colorado State"And with a new on-campus stadium coming in 2017, first-year coach Mike Bobo is set up to continue that success." Marshall"The Herd have great tradition, die-hard fans and a brand-new indoor practice facility." SMUThe Mustangs have a 32,000 seat on campus stadium expandable to 45,000 seats. I can't believe SMU, Marshall (a MAC school!) and Colorado State made the list before SDSU! Sterk & Hirshman, you are on the clock! Time is running out for SDSU! |
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Post by cvtower on Feb 28, 2015 15:33:28 GMT -8
Regarding Central Florida and Houston, with their brand new stadiums, I went to check what came first: the new stadium then good football records? or good records then a new stadium?
With Central Florida, performance-wise, there was nothing really special that happened prior to their new stadium, except for a couple over .500 season. After 2007, the Knights went bowling in 6 out of 8 seasons. So I guess you could conclude the building of the stadium and other facilities brought them to where they are now. In other words, the school and donors opened their wallets
Houston...wierd roller coaster season results. 10-4 to 5-7 to 13-1 to 5-7 to 8-5 the last two seasons. Way to early to tell how the new stadium will pay off for the Cougars performance-wise on the field.
Central Florida Knights
Five Seasons Before New Stadium
2006....4-8
2005....8-5 (Lost 48-49 in OT to Nevada in the Hawaii Bowl
2004....0-11
2003....3-9
2002....7-5
Since Bright House Networks Stadium opened in 2007:
2007....10-4 (Lost to Mississippi State 3-10 in the Liberty Bowl)
2008....4-8
2009....8-5 (Lost to Rutgers 24-45 in the Beef 'O' Brady's Bowl)
2010....11-3 (Beat Georgia 10-6 in the Liberty Bowl)
2011....5-7
2012....10-4 (Beat Ball State 38-17 in the Beef 'O' Brady's Bowl)
2013....12-1 (Beat Baylor 52-42 in the Fiesta Bowl. Also beat Penn State and Louisville in the regular season. Only loss was 28-25 to South Carolina)
2014....9-4 (Lost to North Carolina State 27-34 in the St. Petersburg Bowl)
Houston Cougars
Five Seasons Before New Stadium
2013....8-5 (Lost to Vanderbilt 24-41 in the Compass Bowl)
2012....5-7
2011....13-1 (Beat Penn State 30-14 in the Ticketcity Bowl. Also beat UCLA in their home/season opener 38-34)
2010....5-7
2009....10-4 (Lost to Air Force 20-47 in the Armed Forces Bowl. Beat Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, and Mississippi State in the regular season)
First Season at TDECU Stadium
2014....8-5 (Beat Pitt 35-34 in the Armed Forces Bowl)
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Post by cvtower on Feb 28, 2015 16:23:15 GMT -8
One key difference separating SDSU from UCF and Houston is that the latter 2 have actually defeated more than a few big-name schools in recent years. It doesn't have to be an Ohio State or an Alabama, but dang, the Aztecs have to help their own cause by beating a North Carolina, an Oregon State, a Missouri, etc, to grab the interest of the non-hardcore crowd. This season will provide yet another opportunity to break that mold, against the likes of Penn State and Cal.
Oh ya...plus both UCF and Houston have had multiple 10+ win seasons since 2009. SDSU is on the right track by having winning seasons since 2010, but they need that extra something, to finally break into 10-win season territory and into the Top 25 rankings. Hopefully, the addition of coaches Hunkie Cooper and Blane Morgan will help breathe new, much needed life in the team to cross that hump
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Post by AztecWilliam on Mar 1, 2015 12:08:40 GMT -8
One key difference separating SDSU from UCF and Houston is that the latter 2 have actually defeated more than a few big-name schools in recent years. It doesn't have to be an Ohio State or an Alabama, but dang, the Aztecs have to help their own cause by beating a North Carolina, an Oregon State, a Missouri, etc, to grab the interest of the non-hardcore crowd. This season will provide yet another opportunity to break that mold, against the likes of Penn State and Cal. Oh ya...plus both UCF and Houston have had multiple 10+ win seasons since 2009. SDSU is on the right track by having winning seasons 2010, but they need that extra something, to finally break into 10-win season territory and into the Top 25 rankings. Hopefully, the addition of coaches Hunkie Cooper and Blane Morgan will help breathe new, much needed life in the team to cross that hump Hey, man, wait till I'm on my soapbox before you trot out one of my favorite themes!
I had a thread a while back in which I listed the many name teams beaten by MWC schools in the past decade. We were last with just one, the win over a poor Wazzu in 2011. My view is that the failure to beat well-respected opponents from the P5 conferences is one of the biggest reasons why this program is stalled at slightly above mediocre.
What would have resulted from a few wins over P5 schools during the past 14 years had SDSU had better fortune against the big boys? Consider . . .
2002: SDSU finished 4-9. Lost to Colorado, Ariz. St, UCLA. Also a mind-numbing last play loss at Fresno due to a bad snap on an easy FG attempt. First, that FG should have been made. Add to that a win against even ONE of those 3 P5 schools and Tom Craft's first season would have ended a more respectable 6-7.
2003: SDSU finished 6-6. Lost narrowly to UCLA (by 10) and Ohio State (by 3). Had we beaten either of those schools, our record would have been 7-5 and the Aztecs would likely have gone bowling.
2004: SDSU finished 4-7. Lost to Michigan by 3 (also robbed by the zebras on the phantom fumble last minute play against Colorado St.) Had we beaten Michigan (and had the refs not been blind in the CSU game), Tom Craft would have had a 6-5 record and probably would have had his second straight bowl invitation.
2005: SDSU finished 5-7. Losses to UCLA and Ohio State. Beat either of those two schools and Tom would have finished 6-6, likely his third straight non-losing season.
This has been quite an exercise in revisionist history, but there is no doubt that SDSU's virtually 100% inability to beat P5 schools has been a major cause of our lack of respect nationally. Contrary to what Rocky Long may think, beating non-conference schools most certainly is a big deal. Beat New Mexico or Hawaii and fans outside this county will yawn. Beat UCLA, Ohio State, Michigan, or Notre Dame and people will take notice.
Why this school has been so frustratingly incapable of beating P5 schools mystifies me. We will never win respect until that changes. Let's face it; if we continue to lose to P5 schools, even MWC titles will be nice but really won't mean that much. Don't believe me? Okay, tell me how much winning a conference championship in the MAC or Sunbelt Conference helps a school if it continues to lose to teams from the Big-10 or SEC?.
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Post by tonatiuh on Mar 2, 2015 17:54:39 GMT -8
Little doubt this was written after last year and before teams hit the field this year . CSU could be in for a very interesting season losing their coach and QB . would be interesting if BSU and SDSU had stayed in BE/ AAC conference . You got to be kidding!!! We would have home & home with such power houses like Tulane, Tulsa, and UCONN, and Temple !!!  So, how does the Boise HC bring in 6 Mil., or is that some wah-who pulling your chain about his salary? |
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Post by tonatiuh on Mar 2, 2015 18:14:09 GMT -8
Yes, the article highlights Boise State (among others), but I posted it anyway just to give a brief glimpse of what gives the Broncos, and the other schools listed, an upper hand (some things we might've already been aware of, other things not) over their fellow non Power 5 conference brethren. For sure SDSU and BSU are opposites when it comes to spending. I wasn't aware that Bronco's Coach Bryan Harsin new contract was in the $6 millions range. espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/12381829/boise-state-broncos-byu-cougars-lead-list-best-non-power-5-college-football-jobsOn a side note, Houston would make for a good home-and-home series. I would say that the writer of this article is probably not over 45-59 yrs. of age, and of course probably did not check our history over before writing this. Because we have quite a bit of great history in the 60's & 70's under Coryell & Gilbert. We did play Houston twice, '72 & '73, but lost both times. He seems to only count recent history, but Ok. Our facilities are very good also, but when he mentions 6.5 million for the Boise HC he states it is over a soiten period (5yrs.)not as a yearly salary. Which means he is getting a little over 1 mil a year, not 6.5 per year. Still good, but not so outrageous! |
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Post by aztech on Mar 2, 2015 18:53:09 GMT -8
One key difference separating SDSU from UCF and Houston is that the latter 2 have actually defeated more than a few big-name schools in recent years. It doesn't have to be an Ohio State or an Alabama, but dang, the Aztecs have to help their own cause by beating a North Carolina, an Oregon State, a Missouri, etc, to grab the interest of the non-hardcore crowd. This season will provide yet another opportunity to break that mold, against the likes of Penn State and Cal. Oh ya...plus both UCF and Houston have had multiple 10+ win seasons since 2009. SDSU is on the right track by having winning seasons 2010, but they need that extra something, to finally break into 10-win season territory and into the Top 25 rankings. Hopefully, the addition of coaches Hunkie Cooper and Blane Morgan will help breathe new, much needed life in the team to cross that hump Hey, man, wait till I'm on my soapbox before you trot out one of my favorite themes!
I had a thread a while back in which I listed the many name teams beaten by MWC schools in the past decade. We were last with just one, the win over a poor Wazzu in 2011. My view is that the failure to beat well-respected opponents from the P5 conferences is one of the biggest reasons why this program is stalled at slightly above mediocre.
What would have resulted from a few wins over P5 schools during the past 14 years had SDSU had better fortune against the big boys? Consider . . .
2002: SDSU finished 4-9. Lost to Colorado, Ariz. St, UCLA. Also a mind-numbing last play loss at Fresno due to a bad snap on an easy FG attempt. First, that FG should have been made. Add to that a win against even ONE of those 3 P5 schools and Tom Craft's first season would have ended a more respectable 6-7.
2003: SDSU finished 6-6. Lost narrowly to UCLA (by 10) and Ohio State (by 3). Had we beaten either of those schools, our record would have been 7-5 and the Aztecs would likely have gone bowling.
2004: SDSU finished 4-7. Lost to Michigan by 3 (also robbed by the zebras on the phantom fumble last minute play against Colorado St.) Had we beaten Michigan (and had the refs not been blind in the CSU game), Tom Craft would have had a 6-5 record and probably would have had his second straight bowl invitation.
2005: SDSU finished 5-7. Losses to UCLA and Ohio State. Beat either of those two schools and Tom would have finished 6-6, likely his third straight non-losing season.
This has been quite an exercise in revisionist history, but there is no doubt that SDSU's virtually 100% inability to beat P5 schools has been a major cause of our lack of respect nationally. Contrary to what Rocky Long may think, beating non-conference schools most certainly is a big deal. Beat New Mexico or Hawaii and fans outside this county will yawn. Beat UCLA, Ohio State, Michigan, or Notre Dame and people will take notice.
Why this school has been so frustratingly incapable of beating P5 schools mystifies me. We will never win respect until that changes. Let's face it; if we continue to lose to P5 schools, even MWC titles will be nice but really won't mean that much. Don't believe me? Okay, tell me how much winning a conference championship in the MAC or Sunbelt Conference helps a school if it continues to lose to teams from the Big-10 or SEC?.
AzWm It's no mystery. I can tell you 2 big reasons why we've sucked over the years. 1. Dufus ADs 2. Presidents not willing to provide financial support. There you have it. Those two wrongs will never make a right. |
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Mar 2, 2015 19:37:06 GMT -8
Wake up San Diego before it is to late. What does that mean? Donate $$ and hope the school uses it wisely? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 20:29:52 GMT -8
We can not keep up with the P5 schools and their $$$$. This year it's COA. Next year it will be something else over and over until they completely break every non P5 program . This is a business now and we are on the short end of the stick. The big boys want it all and we are out in the cold. Get used to it.
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