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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 9:57:41 GMT -8
And you guys wonder why we call you Chargers Honks... And you wonder why you are irrelevant... You add such wonderful insight and constructive dialogue to the conversation ( sarcasm intended) And you add nothing but desperation. MD has been on this more than anyone on this forum. You offer nothing but nervous opinion. |
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Post by SD Johnny on Feb 19, 2015 10:10:47 GMT -8
Should you have doubts about SDSUs ability to purchase the Q site you can rest easy knowing the City could just do a longterm lease to SDSU without a vote of the people by doing a city council vote.
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Post by rebar619 on Feb 19, 2015 10:22:28 GMT -8
And you wonder why you are irrelevant... You add such wonderful insight and constructive dialogue to the conversation ( sarcasm intended) And you add nothing but desperation. MD has been on this more than anyone on this forum. You offer nothing but nervous opinion. Call it what you want man. I really don't care. What I do care about is San Diego. The thing I find humorous in all of this banter is that you and others are not nervous at all about the future of Aztec football. I have tried to advance the conversation by discussing the real scope of the money required to produce a west campus with stadium. All I hear in response is crickets. Sorry if I am not as big of an Aztec fan as you and others because I am a Charger fan as well. I will just have to live the rest of my days with that lowly title in your self aggrandizing caste system. The delusion that some are under regarding Aztec football is staggering. To the general population of San Diego Aztec football is completely and totally irrelevant. We play in a conference few could identify which we rarely win. SDSU has ZERO chance of winning a national championship and has an uphill battle to have an opportunity to participate in the playoff system. It is only a fraction of alumni like us that really care at all. Based on this, the certainty you have that the money required to keep the program going with a new stadium is a slam dunk is really laughable. FWIW, Kevin O'Connell has voiced the same concern over the air as well. He must be a Charger Honk as well eh? |
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Feb 19, 2015 10:27:44 GMT -8
[/b] I agree. But you wouldn't guess that with the comments of most Charger fans on this board. I have said that a West Campus expansion is more important than a football stadium. Certainly I would be bummed if SDSU lost football. However, I truly don't believe that will happen. [/quote] I am one of the Chargers fans on this board that believes a new stadium for San Diego is in assessing. For San Diego to have the cultural and entertainment opportunities a major city has we need and unnecessary waste of money.a new stadium. For San Diego State specifically, you may have a hard time convincing a group of academics that football is necessity and deserves the money needed to survive. It could easily be justified by them that the use of money better served in other areas of the University and CSU system.[/quote] - I thought I made it pretty clear that a West Campus expansion would be the priority of the acquisition of the Q site. "The university generates over $2.4 billion annually for the San Diego economy, while sixty percent of SDSU graduates remain in San Diego,[16] making SDSU a primary educator of the region's work force. In the 2009–10 academic year, the university obtained $150 million for research, including $26 million from the National Institutes of Health.[10] The university soon expects to be classified as "Doctoral/Research-Extensive."[11] As reported by the Faculty Scholarly Productivity Index (FSP Index) released by the Academic Analytics organization of Stony Brook, New York, SDSU is the number one small research university in the United States for four academic years in a row." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego_State_UniversityImagine the extraordinary impact on San Diego State University (and the city of San Diego) if it were able to increase its campus size from 283 acres to 549 acres with the addition of the 166 acre Q site! Student population would increase by 5,000 - 10,000 students. More areas of study & specialization would be made available to the future skilled workforce of San Diego. Research grants would significantly increase. In addition, that $2.4 billion SDSU generates for the San Diego economy would also increase substantially. Building a stadium is secondary. Even so, funding for a stadium would use private funds (donations/fund raising campaign), naming rights and if necessary a student referendum. If we had to go to the students with a proposal and they couldn't get a majority vote then I would be worried. SDSU's main priority should be to first acquire the Q site for a West Campus expansion. |
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Post by rebar619 on Feb 19, 2015 10:29:53 GMT -8
Should you have doubts about SDSUs ability to purchase the Q site you can rest easy knowing the City could just do a longterm lease to SDSU without a vote of the people by doing a city council vote. The Q has over $80million in deferred maintenance and $10-12million annually in operating costs. You really see that being a tenable situation for any length of time for the City or SDSU? I for one do not. Especially if a developer is able to take the whole parcel off of the City's hands. That would turn the property from a liability to a windfall for the City. Anything else? |
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Post by SD Johnny on Feb 19, 2015 10:55:53 GMT -8
Should you have doubts about SDSUs ability to purchase the Q site you can rest easy knowing the City could just do a longterm lease to SDSU without a vote of the people by doing a city council vote. The Q has over $80million in deferred maintenance and $10-12million annually in operating costs. You really see that being a tenable situation for any length of time for the City or SDSU? I for one do not. Especially if a developer is able to take the whole parcel off of the City's hands. That would turn the property from a liability to a windfall for the City. Anything else? It feels like I'm talking to a brick wall sometimes. if the Chargers leave the Q site its a damn near certainty that the City and State will get together and attempt to find a way for the two to work out a solution that benefits both parties on a lease or sale. Why?...an expanded university campus that will employ and educate thousands annually is the highest and best use and, oh by the way, as an entity of the State SDSU has the ability to use eminent domain if necessary...but it would never come to that as both sides will want it to o happen. Read the only article that has discussed this publicly from the UT in August 2010 as it was a collective high five of all parties involved including Donna Frye. Charger Honks are protective of the Q site as if it's property of the Chargers or something. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 11:05:40 GMT -8
It feels like I'm talking to a brick wall sometimes. You are. This particular one is in the fetal position. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Feb 19, 2015 11:37:02 GMT -8
If the Chargers leave then SDSU better have a plan in place to get a stadium built pretty quickly - the city isn't going to continue to spend tens of millions of dollars per year on the Q just for the Aztecs. That place will be a money pit. They have put off so many repairs and renovations that the cost has to be over $100 Million by now (the last thing I read was $80 million in needed repairs and renovations that the city keeps putting off, and that was 5 years ago). Without the Chargers the city will need to get rid of that albatross around it's collective neck. Best case scenario? The wealthy alums step up and provide enough money to get an on-campus stadium built. Worst case scenario? The Q is torn down and the Aztecs have no D1 eligible stadium to play in and have to drop football. Granted, that worst case scenario really is worst case, but it's not 100% impossible... I feel pretty certain that by now even a somewhat lethargic administration at SDSU has been giving some serious thought about what to do in the event of a Charger exodus. What worries me is whether they have made up their minds that playing in a downtown stadium is out of the question in terms of furthering the Aztec FB program. AzWm |
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Post by San Diego Football Fan on Feb 19, 2015 11:51:51 GMT -8
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Post by rebar619 on Feb 19, 2015 11:54:11 GMT -8
The Q has over $80million in deferred maintenance and $10-12million annually in operating costs. You really see that being a tenable situation for any length of time for the City or SDSU? I for one do not. Especially if a developer is able to take the whole parcel off of the City's hands. That would turn the property from a liability to a windfall for the City. Anything else? It feels like I'm talking to a brick wall sometimes. if the Chargers leave the Q site its a damn near certainty that the City and State will get together and attempt to find a way for the two to work out a solution that benefits both parties on a lease or sale. Why?...an expanded university campus that will employ and educate thousands annually is the highest and best use and, oh by the way, as an entity of the State SDSU has the ability to use eminent domain if necessary...but it would never come to that as both sides will want it to o happen. Read the only article that has discussed this publicly from the UT in August 2010 as it was a collective high five of all parties involved including Donna Frye. Charger Honks are protective of the Q site as if it's property of the Chargers or something. Brick wall speaking. You still haven't addressed how all of this gets paid for. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 13:03:38 GMT -8
It feels like I'm talking to a brick wall sometimes. if the Chargers leave the Q site its a damn near certainty that the City and State will get together and attempt to find a way for the two to work out a solution that benefits both parties on a lease or sale. Why?...an expanded university campus that will employ and educate thousands annually is the highest and best use and, oh by the way, as an entity of the State SDSU has the ability to use eminent domain if necessary...but it would never come to that as both sides will want it to o happen. Read the only article that has discussed this publicly from the UT in August 2010 as it was a collective high five of all parties involved including Donna Frye. Charger Honks are protective of the Q site as if it's property of the Chargers or something. Brick wall speaking. You still haven't addressed how all of this gets paid for. Beans...magic beans... oh..and tax dollars... but not just any tax dollars..... magic tax dollars I kid. there are ways to get something like a west campus done but it's no slam dunk. It will take years if not decades |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Feb 19, 2015 13:09:42 GMT -8
Chargers aren't leaving. There will be a new downtown stadium/convention center expansion SDSU will be playing in a downtown stadium within the decade. I'm surprised the smart folks that frequent this forum can't recognize political theater when they see it. As long as the port and the convention center board are against it, it won't happen. I can't say that playing downtown would be the worst thing that could happen to Aztec football, but it can't be any better than next to worst. Let's keep in mind that playing basketball on campus is one of the main factors that has contributed to the success of the Aztec program. Now, if a downtown stadium were owned by SDSU, well, that would probably be okay, but still not as good as an on-campus stadium (or staying in Mission Valley). SDSU would be an unloved afterthought downtown. We need to find a way to avoid having to play miles from campus in a venue that is way too large and in which the Chargers will get all the advantages. I can't understand why any Aztec fan cannot see this problem clearly. AzWm |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Feb 19, 2015 13:11:54 GMT -8
i believe the most ambitious idea that has been publicly mentioned was for SDSU to somehow acquire the Qualcomm site and construct an additional "west" campus featuring a stadium, more facilities and student housing. I cant cite where exactly i heard this, but something along those lines had been mentioned. There is SDSU representation inside the 'task force' and i truly believe in SDSU's commitment to making football a Top 25 program, so i would think the President & AD will be prepared to begin moving forward when the Chargers make a decision. The mayor IS an AZTEC after all...so no need to worry too much. Something will get done. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes! ! ! A thousand times YES! This is a once in a century opportunity with enormous upside. We need leadership (Dr. Hirsch, are you listening?) to get this ball rolling. AzWm |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Feb 19, 2015 13:17:55 GMT -8
Mesa - college has a field I believe.... We would not be able to operate financially playing in a 4,500 seat stadium. So, unfortunately, it is either the City Builds chargers a new stadium, we get our own stadium built if chargers leave, or we discontinue football. We would have no choice, unless the Padres want to share their stadium with us, but I doubt that. That would probably be brought up if situation A and B don't happen, and athletics is in desperation mode. But, who knows if they would allow us.
The agreement that authorized Petco forbids football. Plus, I understand that the dimensions are such that an American football field cannot be accommodated therin. If I am wrong on that second point, and if someway around the first one could be found, then playing a season at Petco while a new Aztec stadium is being build would be tolerable. Not ideal, not comfortable, but tolerable. Better to find a way to build a 40,000 seat stadium (with room for expansion to 50,000 or more) on campus while the Aztecs continue to use the Q.
But best of all, SDSU takes over the Mission Valley site to help make the school one of the nation's best universities.
AzWm
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Post by AztecSports95 on Feb 19, 2015 13:19:12 GMT -8
i believe the most ambitious idea that has been publicly mentioned was for SDSU to somehow acquire the Qualcomm site and construct an additional "west" campus featuring a stadium, more facilities and student housing. I cant cite where exactly i heard this, but something along those lines had been mentioned. There is SDSU representation inside the 'task force' and i truly believe in SDSU's commitment to making football a Top 25 program, so i would think the President & AD will be prepared to begin moving forward when the Chargers make a decision. The mayor IS an AZTEC after all...so no need to worry too much. Something will get done. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes! ! ! A thousand times YES! This is a once in a century opportunity with enormous upside. We need leadership (Dr. Hirsch, are you listening?) to get this ball rolling. AzWm There is no C in his last name. Hirshman. Not Hirschman. If you want to make sure someone listens to you, the first step is spelling his name right. HIRSHMAN |
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Post by Montezumas Revenge 88 on Feb 19, 2015 13:23:46 GMT -8
Why don't we all do a kick-starter campaign to help fund a new stadium?
#gofundyourself
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Post by AztecWilliam on Feb 19, 2015 13:29:50 GMT -8
There are those Aztec fans on the other thread about the Stadium Task Force, who firmly believe that State already has a plan to build an on-campus stadium. I for one doubt it as I don't think they've got $$$ earmarked for it. Same for taking over the Q spot, where's the $$ coming from? Unless Hirschman or Sterk come out with a statement that we (Aztec fans) shouldn't worry, then I won't believe they've got a tangible plan. Takes me an hour to get out of a basketball game. Then you must not have anything better to do than wait. Starting this season, my practice is to park at the Grantville station, take the five minute trolley ride to campus and then the five minute walk to Viejas. Reverse process after the game. This is so much preferable to the agonizing wait to get out of the parking buildings. Give it a try. AzWm |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 13:31:39 GMT -8
[/b] I agree. But you wouldn't guess that with the comments of most Charger fans on this board. I have said that a West Campus expansion is more important than a football stadium. Certainly I would be bummed if SDSU lost football. However, I truly don't believe that will happen. [/quote] I am one of the Chargers fans on this board that believes a new stadium for San Diego is in assessing. For San Diego to have the cultural and entertainment opportunities a major city has we need and unnecessary waste of money.a new stadium. For San Diego State specifically, you may have a hard time convincing a group of academics that football is necessity and deserves the money needed to survive. It could easily be justified by them that the use of money better served in other areas of the University and CSU system.[/quote] - [/quote] So then can I assume you wouldn't have a problem if it was decided that a South Campus, possibly in East Chula Vista would better serve the citizens that the CSU system exists to serve? |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Feb 19, 2015 13:35:36 GMT -8
afan posted this. . .
you and I seem to be the only two that think downtown can be special for SDSU. Everyone else wants to imitate the East coast Sis Boom Bah college town experience.
Having to play downtown, in a too large stadium with elevated rental rates and no control over auxiliary money streams (parking, food, etc.), would be TERRIBLE for the Aztec football program. Take a look at Miami of Florida, a program many, many times more successful and prestigious than ours; they do not play on campus and they do NOT draw crowds commensurate with their status. In the future, Group of Five schools with the best chance of survival, may well be those with their own on-campus stadiums.
Downtown may be fine for pro football. It would be a huge negative for the Aztecs.
AzWm
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Post by AztecWilliam on Feb 19, 2015 13:42:15 GMT -8
With the increasing possibility that the Chargers will be moving to LA, will the athletic department revamp their efforts in building an On campus stadium? I do hope so. Well, there certainly has been a lot of political posturing over the last few days. I did find it interesting that several sports talk radio hosts on both 1360 and 1090 have now started talking about the future of the Aztecs and where will they play football if/when the Chargers depart. It seems they are grasping at straws to validate the tax payers to pay for the lions share of a new stadium (Fabianni/Chargers said up front that the city/tax payers will be responsible for 60% of a $1.3 billion stadium). When it comes to stadium discussions you rarely ever hear the Chargers and Aztecs mentioned in the same sentence. It doesn't take a genius to understand why this has been the case. I laugh every time I have heard a sports radio talk show host say that SDSU may have to shut down football on the Mesa. This will not happen. Just some extra food for thought. If SDSU drops football where does that leave the rest of Aztec sports? Without a football program they would no longer be allowed to be a member of the Mountain West Conference (unless some expcepton was made for them; doubtful). All other sports would likely be moved to the Big West. The last time we flirted with that option our basketball fans were not so pleased. Not only will SDSU build its own stadium they will thrive and be better off once they do. The demise of the Aztec FB program (which will not happen) would be a huge blow to Aztec basketball. AzWm |
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