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Post by Sdsu4life on Feb 4, 2015 17:45:36 GMT -8
These ranking are per 247sports. What they do is gather all the rankings from all the other services (ESPN, Rivals, Scout, etc) + theirs, and they form an average from all that data.
Now, these rankings are different based on what you are basing it off of. Total amount of recruits? Avg per recruit?
Based on Total points:
1. Boise (22) - 170.41
2. SJSU (32) - 168.76
3. SDSU (28) - 162.99
4. Fresno (16) - 134.46
5. Wyoming (25) - 116.63
Based on Avg per recruit:
1. Boise (22) - 83,26
2. Fresno (16) - 81.00
3. SJSU (32) - 80.44
4. SDSU (28) - 79.84
5. Colorado St (14) - 78,62
In order to see Rivals, you need a subscription.
I am not a big fan of Scout, but here is theirs:
Based on Total points:
46. Boise - 1677
65. SDSU - 1275
66. SJSU - 1262
84. Fresno - 793
97. Utah St - 642
Based on Avg per recruit:
Boise - 3.00
Fresno - 2.63
SDSU - 2.46
SJSU - 2.40
Utah St - 2.39
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Post by standiego on Feb 4, 2015 18:18:41 GMT -8
Does this include all transfers, JC or guys that red shirted last year ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2015 18:23:05 GMT -8
Does this include all transfers, JC or guys that red shirted last year ? They do not count transfers which is why I do not think the rankings are all that accurate. When you add in Max Smith,Dunn,Babiash etc we have a really strong class. |
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Post by Sdsu4life on Feb 4, 2015 18:36:37 GMT -8
Does this include all transfers, JC or guys that red shirted last year ? Guys who redshirted last you are still part of last years class. You are probably thinking about greyshirts. And yes, these rankings include JC players. They do not include transfers. But, we only got one. So, the rankings aren't missing much. |
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Post by Sdsu4life on Feb 4, 2015 18:47:53 GMT -8
Does this include all transfers, JC or guys that red shirted last year ? They do not count transfers which is why I do not think the rankings are all that accurate. When you add in Max Smith,Dunn,Babiash etc we have a really strong class. Dunn and Babliash are not a part of this class. They were with the team all of last year, just like Jake Rodrigues was. Only Max Smith is part of this class. |
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Feb 4, 2015 21:00:19 GMT -8
weird, with the two 4 star recruits I would think that would make us higher
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Post by Sdsu4life on Feb 4, 2015 21:04:31 GMT -8
weird, with the two 4 star recruits I would think that would make us higher It did, but SJSU got two 4 star recruits as well. So, we didn't gain much ground. SJSU also got more 3 stars than us. But regardless of all that, we have a great class. |
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Post by Sdsu4life on Feb 5, 2015 8:14:39 GMT -8
Scout.com 46. Boise State 65. San Diego State 66. San Jose State 84. Fresno State 96. Utah State 104. Air Force 106. UNLV 113. Wyoming 114. Nevada 121. New Mexico 126. Hawaii 128. Colorado State Rivals.com 60. San Jose State 64. Boise State 73. San Diego State 86. Fresno State 100. UNLV 102. Air Force 103. Wyoming 116. Nevada 120. New Mexico 122. Colorado State 126. Utah State 127. Hawaii 247Sports.com 55. Boise State 58. San Jose State 67. San Diego State 83. Fresno State 103. Utah State 108. Wyoming 111. Nevada 115. UNLV 117. New Mexico 119. Colorado State 122. Air Force 129. Hawaii www.idahostatesman.com/2015/02/04/3627396/live-coverage-boise-states-national.html#storylink=cpy |
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Post by standiego on Feb 5, 2015 8:50:15 GMT -8
THANK YOU :RECRUITING COACH WHITE
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Post by fanhood on Feb 5, 2015 10:08:16 GMT -8
I wonder with Rivals will update their rankings with Desean Holmes added. It appears none of these jacks%$#$# know he has committed to us.
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Post by fanhood on Feb 5, 2015 10:08:27 GMT -8
Just a reminder of how silly recruiting rankings are.
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Post by Sdsu4life on Feb 5, 2015 10:13:26 GMT -8
I wonder with Rivals will update their rankings with Desean Holmes added. It appears none of these jacks%$#$# know he has committed to us. I agree. They are taking their time. The other services have him included in though. They are just rankings to give you an idea, but even then, they mean nothing because they can't determine who these kids will turn out. No one really can. Also, in regards to rivals, SJSU ranking should actually be higher. On signing day morning, that WR was a 4 star guy expected to go pac 12. The second he signed with SJSU, rivals downgraded him to a 3 star. So, rivals has their own agenda which skews certain players ratings. |
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Post by sdcoug on Feb 5, 2015 10:16:00 GMT -8
I do with these services would re-rank the classes come Sept 1st, once you know who actually makes it to campus. But they don't. I know we have some potential casualties (not currently qualified), and would expect to lose 2-3, as I'd expect BSU/SJSU/FSU to do the same.
IMO the MW & like conference are more susceptible to academic casualties since in many cases in order to get the higher ranked kids, you have to take the riskier ones. The P12 can back off those & are more likely to find similar level replacements. That said, hopefully those who don't qualify bounce back to you.
Even with a little expected attrition this is a solid class. We have depth, and some real scholars in this class, and return a lot of players from last year as well. Sets up very well.
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Post by standiego on Feb 5, 2015 10:34:58 GMT -8
Do athletes have to submit some type of academic levels to a "central clearing house " after their junior year ? Is that information made available to colleges to see what guys may need assistance to qualify for college and is there another evaluation mid senior year or after their senior year ? Or is that the concerns we hear about now ?
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Post by sdcoug on Feb 5, 2015 10:43:19 GMT -8
Scout.com 46. Boise State 65. San Diego State 66. San Jose State 84. Fresno State 96. Utah State 104. Air Force 106. UNLV 113. Wyoming 114. Nevada 121. New Mexico 126. Hawaii 128. Colorado State Rivals.com 60. San Jose State 64. Boise State 73. San Diego State 86. Fresno State 100. UNLV 102. Air Force 103. Wyoming 116. Nevada 120. New Mexico 122. Colorado State 126. Utah State 127. Hawaii 247Sports.com 55. Boise State 58. San Jose State 67. San Diego State 83. Fresno State 103. Utah State 108. Wyoming 111. Nevada 115. UNLV 117. New Mexico 119. Colorado State 122. Air Force 129. Hawaii www.idahostatesman.com/2015/02/04/3627396/live-coverage-boise-states-national.html#storylink=cpyIn addition to where we rank within our conference, it's interesting to see where we rank among ALL Non-P5 schools. Did just a cursory look, but here's what I came up with:
Per Scout, we're 5th (BSU, West Michigan, Cincy, & I'll include BYU since they're not ND), and we're above a handful of P5 schools as well (Duke, Iowa St, Vandy, Colorado, etc.).
Per Rivals, we're 6th (Cincy, SJSU, BSU, UCF, BYU)
Per 247, we're also 6th (BSU, SJSU, BYU, USF, Cincy)
Whether these are accurate reads is very debatable, but it's still interesting. What's obvious is that relative to those who we compete against in our conference and those playing on our recruiting field nationally, our class is very, very respected. I don't think you can ask for more.
Would have loved to have landed the 6'10 kid, but besides that...really not too many disappointments. Now if we can make sure 23+ actually arrive on campus...
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Post by fanhood on Feb 5, 2015 10:44:07 GMT -8
I wonder with Rivals will update their rankings with Desean Holmes added. It appears none of these jacks%$#$# know he has committed to us. I agree. They are taking their time. The other services have him included in though. They are just rankings to give you an idea, but even then, they mean nothing because they can't determine who these kids will turn out. No one really can. Also, in regards to rivals, SJSU ranking should actually be higher. On signing day morning, that WR was a 4 star guy expected to go pac 12. The second he signed with SJSU, rivals downgraded him to a 3 star. So, rivals has their own agenda which skews certain players ratings.[/b] Is this a fact? If so, it just goes to show that this is all silly, and the entire recruiting ranking industry is a joke. What player are you talking about? |
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Post by Sdsu4life on Feb 5, 2015 10:51:08 GMT -8
I agree. They are taking their time. The other services have him included in though. They are just rankings to give you an idea, but even then, they mean nothing because they can't determine who these kids will turn out. No one really can. Also, in regards to rivals, SJSU ranking should actually be higher. On signing day morning, that WR was a 4 star guy expected to go pac 12. The second he signed with SJSU, rivals downgraded him to a 3 star. So, rivals has their own agenda which skews certain players ratings.Is this a fact? If so, it just goes to show that this is all silly, and the entire recruiting ranking industry is a joke. What player are you talking about? Saw it with my own eyes. It was Kanya Bell. He was a 4 star WR, when he committed and signed with SJSU he was seen as a 4 star still, and then shortly after he changed to a 3 star. All the other services kept him at a 4 star. |
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Post by sdcoug on Feb 5, 2015 10:54:39 GMT -8
Do athletes have to submit some type of academic levels to a "central clearing house " after their junior year ? Is that information made available to colleges to see what guys may need assistance to qualify for college and is there another evaluation mid senior year or after their senior year ? Or is that the concerns we hear about now ? Coaches typically seek out their current academic status when they recruit them, and have a solid understanding of their current grade point & test score. So, barring any drastic changes, they know who's definitely going to qualify, who has a good shot & who are borderline at best. I believe most really evaluate after their junior year. This is why you'll see a kid who's highly recruited & a 4-star+ prior to his junior year all of a sudden drop to a 3, if that info becomes known. 4-star not only means who's among the best but who's among the best who will actually make it.
It doesn't go to clearing house though until later, I believe when they go through the actual school entrance application phase but not sure.
At this point they all have about 3 more chances to improve their test scores, and the 2nd half of the year to improve grades and/or the opportunity to take summer school/retake a class or two.
I do know every kid we've recruited has a chance to qualify ("some work to do"); some may need to raise grades and/or test scores though, but none have no chance (i.e. grades are so low they can't realistically be made up and/or test score doesn't have to be crazy high). My guess, and only a guess, is some P12 schools backed of some of the 4-stars who landed in at SJSU & SDSU, but not sure, but it doesn't mean they won't qualify.
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Feb 5, 2015 10:56:12 GMT -8
Just Win!
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Post by sdcoug on Feb 5, 2015 10:57:51 GMT -8
Is this a fact? If so, it just goes to show that this is all silly, and the entire recruiting ranking industry is a joke. What player are you talking about? Saw it with my own eyes. It was Kanya Bell. He was a 4 star WR, when he committed and signed with SJSU he was seen as a 4 star still, and then shortly after he changed to a 3 star. All the other services kept him at a 4 star. That may be an eligibility issue as well. If they have an understanding the kid won't qualify or extremely unlikely to, he's a less attractive commit, and thus not going to be among the top XXX sought after recruits. Coaches at USC/UCLA or wherever may have said he's a nonqualifier, etc., but SJSU stuck with him anyway just in case he pulls off a miracle.
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