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Post by Village Aztec on Feb 2, 2015 20:30:15 GMT -8
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Post by fanhood on Feb 2, 2015 20:35:41 GMT -8
I agree that the Power 5 is pulling away, however, the star system is a self fulfilling prophesy and is not a good indicator of anything.
The prognosticators simply wait to see who is offered, then base their stars given on which schools offer said team.
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Post by fisherville on Feb 2, 2015 20:55:27 GMT -8
I agree that the Power 5 is pulling away, however, the star system is a self fulfilling prophesy and is not a good indicator of anything. The prognosticators simply wait to see who is offered, then base their stars given on which schools offer said team. No they don't, they offer up rankings years in advance, and adjust after they scout a player. The star system is a very good indicator in how mediocre Rocky is at recruiting. |
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Post by 91aztec on Feb 2, 2015 21:04:04 GMT -8
I think only one Aztec game last season wasn't available on TV in the Seattle area. Seems the author missed on that one.
He is correct, the gap for high profile recruits will continue to widen until we get in the Big 12.......yep, I'm optimistic
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Post by aztecfan1 on Feb 2, 2015 21:05:48 GMT -8
I agree that the Power 5 is pulling away, however, the star system is a self fulfilling prophesy and is not a good indicator of anything. The prognosticators simply wait to see who is offered, then base their stars given on which schools offer said team. No they don't, they offer up rankings years in advance, and adjust after they scout a player. The star system is a very good indicator in how mediocre Rocky is at recruiting. Truly an unsubstantiated statement to say recruiting is mediocre. We are now landing some players with offers from P5 programs, and SDSU football has more depth, more talent than ever before. If you are more than a casual fan, you should appreciate how competitive it now is to start. Example: there are six QBs trying out this year. That said, it is now on this coaching staff to move up in victories this coming season. And, why do you think the cottage industry star rankers "scout" a player in any true sense? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 22:55:42 GMT -8
No they don't, they offer up rankings years in advance, and adjust after they scout a player. The star system is a very good indicator in how mediocre Rocky is at recruiting. I know different, in fact what they do is find out what interest schools have and base it on that. If they knew anything about football talent they would be making 100k a year or better coaching. I know the Coaches think it is laughable. As for mediocre that means less than nothing. SDSU is not in a P5 last time I looked it was 67 in Rivals(BFD) which means it was in the top five on G5. Then there is all the discrepancies among the gurus Espn or 247 says this guy is three stars Rivals says two or vice versa. This fact alone is Prima Facie evidence its subjective as hell. Ruffin was two star,as was Munson,Barrett,Kazee, etc. Larry Clark was three star. D. Guillory was three stars,De'Saan Hardwick,Ryan Jack 3 stars Chad Jeffries 3 stars Christian Parra, Paul Pitts,Brandon Wright all three stars. Great Huh.Wright and Jeffries were not only three stars but 5.7 as well. Munson,Noble and Malik Smith were 5.3s.  |
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Post by laaztec on Feb 3, 2015 7:50:15 GMT -8
It's just going to get worse. SDSU needs to get into a P5 conference in the next 5 to 10 years or it's lights out.
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Post by sdcoug on Feb 3, 2015 11:25:56 GMT -8
No they don't, they offer up rankings years in advance, and adjust after they scout a player. The star system is a very good indicator in how mediocre Rocky is at recruiting. I know different, in fact what they do is find out what interest schools have and base it on that. If they knew anything about football talent they would be making 100k a year or better coaching. I know the Coaches think it is laughable. As for mediocre that means less than nothing. SDSU is not in a P5 last time I looked it was 67 in Rivals(BFD) which means it was in the top five on G5. Then there is all the discrepancies among the gurus Espn or 247 says this guy is three stars Rivals says two or vice versa. This fact alone is Prima Facie evidence its subjective as hell. Ruffin was two star,as was Munson,Barrett,Kazee, etc. Larry Clark was three star. D. Guillory was three stars,De'Saan Hardwick,Ryan Jack 3 stars Chad Jeffries 3 stars Christian Parra, Paul Pitts,Brandon Wright all three stars. Great Huh.Wright and Jeffries were not only three stars but 5.7 as well. Munson,Noble and Malik Smith were 5.3s. Then you've been greatly misinformed. 5-10 years ago that was more of the case than today, but with all the camps (which the Biggins, Hoffman's, etc. all attend) that's far from the case today. Perfect, hell no. Coaches are FAR from perfect. How many misses do EVERY coach have in EVERY class? Just as many as the evaluators miss when it comes to stars/ratings.
There's a reason the odds of making the pro's increase as the star/ratings increase. Again, anything that's based on observation is not going to be perfect, but they hit on a LOT more than they miss, and it's definitely not just about offers. What "offers" do is some under the radar guys - guys who maybe didn't play at a higher level HS and/or didn't attend any summer camps - are brought to their attention if a kid gets an offer from a UCLA, etc. who previously was not rated. They'll make the effort to go look at him and/or request tape on the kid. Only THEN will they adjust their ratings - not solely based on who offered.
A key factor to keep in mind is its not all about talent. Some is personality, so it's very possible some 3-star may have the talent but not the drive, and the same with 4 or 5-stars, and thus play down a level or two. Recruiting websites can't predict that. Also, system comes into play. There are plenty of 4-stars who went somewhere that simply didn't fit their talents. You also can't forecast late bloomers. Again, far from perfect but to imply it's worthless and/or based solely on offers is simply naïve & clueless.
Re: Rocky, his recruiting classes have been extremely solid for a MW/non-P5 conference program, which is how they should be judged today.
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Post by standiego on Feb 3, 2015 11:31:19 GMT -8
So any one have a chart of our recruiting classes of the last 4 years and the participation in Aztec games .
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Post by sdcoug on Feb 3, 2015 11:33:38 GMT -8
I agree that the Power 5 is pulling away, however, the star system is a self fulfilling prophesy and is not a good indicator of anything. The prognosticators simply wait to see who is offered, then base their stars given on which schools offer said team. No they don't, they offer up rankings years in advance, and adjust after they scout a player. The star system is a very good indicator in how mediocre Rocky is at recruiting. Seriously? That's completely off base. His classes have ranked in the top 2 in the MW every single year, and among the top 5-10 nationally among all non-P5 schools, which is how they should be compared. That is so beyond mediocre it's not even funny. Since the mega conference/mega TV deals if you think we should be out-recruiting P12/B12/B10/SEC schools then you're sadly always going to be disappointed.
But hey, don't let facts get the way of personal bias when making observations, right?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 16:05:54 GMT -8
No they don't, they offer up rankings years in advance, and adjust after they scout a player. The star system is a very good indicator in how mediocre Rocky is at recruiting. I know different, in fact what they do is find out what interest schools have and base it on that. If they knew anything about football talent they would be making 100k a year or better coaching. I know the Coaches think it is laughable. As for mediocre that means less than nothing. SDSU is not in a P5 last time I looked it was 67 in Rivals(BFD) which means it was in the top five on G5. Then there is all the discrepancies among the gurus Espn or 247 says this guy is three stars Rivals says two or vice versa. This fact alone is Prima Facie evidence its subjective as hell. Ruffin was two star,as was Munson,Barrett,Kazee, etc. Larry Clark was three star. D. Guillory was three stars,De'Saan Hardwick,Ryan Jack 3 stars Chad Jeffries 3 stars Christian Parra, Paul Pitts,Brandon Wright all three stars. Great Huh.Wright and Jeffries were not only three stars but 5.7 as well. Munson,Noble and Malik Smith were 5.3s. Then you've been greatly misinformed. 5-10 years ago that was more of the case than today, but with all the camps (which the Biggins, Hoffman's, etc. all attend) that's far from the case today. Perfect, hell no. Coaches are FAR from perfect. How many misses do EVERY coach have in EVERY class? Just as many as the evaluators miss when it comes to stars/ratings.
There's a reason the odds of making the pro's increase as the star/ratings increase. Again, anything that's based on observation is not going to be perfect, but they hit on a LOT more than they miss, and it's definitely not just about offers. What "offers" do is some under the radar guys - guys who maybe didn't play at a higher level HS and/or didn't attend any summer camps - are brought to their attention if a kid gets an offer from a UCLA, etc. who previously was not rated. They'll make the effort to go look at him and/or request tape on the kid. Only THEN will they adjust their ratings - not solely based on who offered.
A key factor to keep in mind is its not all about talent. Some is personality, so it's very possible some 3-star may have the talent but not the drive, and the same with 4 or 5-stars, and thus play down a level or two. Recruiting websites can't predict that. Also, system comes into play. There are plenty of 4-stars who went somewhere that simply didn't fit their talents. You also can't forecast late bloomers. Again, far from perfect but to imply it's worthless and/or based solely on offers is simply naïve & clueless.
Re: Rocky, his recruiting classes have been extremely solid for a MW/non-P5 conference program, which is how they should be judged today.
I used to talk to Biggins every few days,and I went to a ,lot of combines they do a lot of kibbitzing, not that much scouting the biggest thing that will upgrade a recurit is interst from a big time team. Rockys says it other Coaches joke about it. Maybe its somewhere in between. |
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Feb 3, 2015 16:32:00 GMT -8
Every year, Rocky says the "number of stars" means "absolutely nothing."
First off, only Scout still relies strictly on stars. Second, talking in absolutes is never wise. Fact is, these ratings are by no means an end all and be all but that isn't in the slightest to say they're "absolutely" worthless. In fact, studies show they're one means of evaluating recruiting classes. While not a mutually exclusive criterion, whether a kid has any offers from P5 schools also means something. In the case of SDSU, it means somebody at a higher level also thought enough of the kid to offer him a free ride. When a kid has no such offers, in the case of SDSU, it also means something if nobody from the MWC or the AAC was interested in him. Granted, there are always diamonds in the rough like Jerome Long who are under the radar for one reason or another. However, the percentage of such guys who become multi-year starters pales in comparison to the proportion of 3-star or above guys who reach that level.
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Post by AztecSports95 on Feb 3, 2015 16:42:21 GMT -8
I agree that the Power 5 is pulling away, however, the star system is a self fulfilling prophesy and is not a good indicator of anything. The prognosticators simply wait to see who is offered, then base their stars given on which schools offer said team. No they don't, they offer up rankings years in advance, and adjust after they scout a player. The star system is a very good indicator in how mediocre Rocky is at recruiting. If you actually look at said ranking site you would see that Rockey et al are tops in the Mountain West in recruiting right now rivals.yahoo.com/sandiegostate/football/recruiting/teamrank/2015/MWEST/allThat's right, above Fiesta Bowl participant Boise State. Above Fresno State. Above everyone else. So, the rest of the MW recruiting must be really bad, according to you.  |
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Post by standiego on Feb 3, 2015 23:40:28 GMT -8
Did BSU get the 4 star QB from the state of Washington - is it Rypien ?
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Post by sdcoug on Feb 4, 2015 9:41:42 GMT -8
Did BSU get the 4 star QB from the state of Washington - is it Rypien ? Yes, Mark Rypien's nephew.
He's already enrolled at BSU & will be available for spring practice.
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Post by missiontrails on Feb 4, 2015 10:55:37 GMT -8
Every year, Rocky says the "number of stars" means "absolutely nothing." First off, only Scout still relies strictly on stars. Second, talking in absolutes is never wise. Fact is, these ratings are by no means an end all and be all but that isn't in the slightest to say they're "absolutely" worthless. In fact, studies show they're one means of evaluating recruiting classes. While not a mutually exclusive criterion, whether a kid has any offers from P5 schools also means something. In the case of SDSU, it means somebody at a higher level also thought enough of the kid to offer him a free ride. When a kid has no such offers, in the case of SDSU, it also means something if nobody from the MWC or the AAC was interested in him. Granted, there are always diamonds in the rough like Jerome Long who are under the radar for one reason or another. However, the percentage of such guys who become multi-year starters pales in comparison to the proportion of 3-star or above guys who reach that level. I found a contradiction!!!!!  |
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Post by matteosandiego on Feb 4, 2015 11:58:05 GMT -8
This is where coaching comes into play the most in football. The star ratings and such are good places to start, but just look at school's like Boise, TCU, Baylor. These programs grew to prominence by having coaches who could get the most out of less. Eventually, they grew their program to where now they get better recruits, but it ALL starts with the coaching staff being able to teach, train and motivate the young men the best. Look at the Patriots of the NFL. Belicheck is a master of getting a no name Division II rookie and coaching him up to play in the Super Bowl and get the game winning interception. Just got to have an eye for talent in the most unlikely of places. |
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