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Post by theoracle on Feb 8, 2015 13:59:11 GMT -8
The way the Oracle sees this recruitment is that MJ Cage is going to another school. Collins and Cage play essentially the same game, but Collins looks like he's got a better mid range stroke. Would be stoked if SDSU could land either player.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2015 18:26:36 GMT -8
The way the Oracle sees this recruitment is that MJ Cage is going to another school. Collins and Cage play essentially the same game, but Collins looks like he's got a better mid range stroke. Would be stoked if SDSU could land either player. MJ Cage is coming to SDSU. He said his top 3 teams were Kentucky, Arizona, SDSU. He's not going to Arizona because TJ Leaf just committed there. He's not going to Kentucky to battle it out with 12 other 5 stars. He's coming to SDSU, to play for Coach Fisher, to make his dad proud/happy, and to start from day 1.
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Post by breaztec on Feb 8, 2015 19:00:14 GMT -8
The way the Oracle sees this recruitment is that MJ Cage is going to another school. Collins and Cage play essentially the same game, but Collins looks like he's got a better mid range stroke. Would be stoked if SDSU could land either player. MJ Cage is coming to SDSU. He said his top 3 teams were Kentucky, Arizona, SDSU. He's not going to Arizona because TJ Leaf just committed there. He's not going to Kentucky to battle it out with 12 other 5 stars. He's coming to SDSU, to play for Coach Fisher, to make his dad proud/happy, and to start from day 1. I tweet all the time with comments about MJ. His mom and dad always reply back or like the comment. I know it doesn't mean anything but at least they are positive. Heck they can even drive down to watch him play. He will make us a better program. Just wish he could bring a good point guard with him
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Post by hoobs on Feb 8, 2015 19:29:15 GMT -8
The way the Oracle sees this recruitment is that MJ Cage is going to another school. Collins and Cage play essentially the same game, but Collins looks like he's got a better mid range stroke. Would be stoked if SDSU could land either player. MJ Cage is coming to SDSU. He said his top 3 teams were Kentucky, Arizona, SDSU. He's not going to Arizona because TJ Leaf just committed there. He's not going to Kentucky to battle it out with 12 other 5 stars. He's coming to SDSU, to play for Coach Fisher, to make his dad proud/happy, and to start from day 1. Heck yes. I've had a good feeling for a couple years that he'd be an Aztec. It just makes sense, for all parties involved.
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Post by Pasadenaztec on Feb 9, 2015 7:22:26 GMT -8
MJ Cage is coming to SDSU. He said his top 3 teams were Kentucky, Arizona, SDSU. He's not going to Arizona because TJ Leaf just committed there. He's not going to Kentucky to battle it out with 12 other 5 stars. He's coming to SDSU, to play for Coach Fisher, to make his dad proud/happy, and to start from day 1. I tweet all the time with comments about MJ. His mom and dad always reply back or like the comment. I know it doesn't mean anything but at least they are positive. Heck they can even drive down to watch him play. He will make us a better program. Just wish he could bring a good point guard with him We're getting a good point guard (Jeremy Hemsley), haven't you been paying attention?
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Post by pdraztec on Feb 9, 2015 8:34:37 GMT -8
He is not a PG ...he is a SG.
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Post by sdcoug on Feb 9, 2015 8:38:43 GMT -8
He is not a PG ...he is a SG. He's as much of a PG as Thames was coming out of HS.
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Feb 9, 2015 8:47:37 GMT -8
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Post by sdcoug on Feb 9, 2015 8:57:54 GMT -8
Thames rarely played PG in HS; he played off the ball, and was primarily a scorer just like Hemsley. How they're listed by a recruiting site is immaterial. I followed X closely his FR year, even saw him practice a few times and was at most of his games. Great kid; talented but EXTREMELY raw as a PG, just as I'm sure Hemsley will be. But he was going to develop into a PG in college, and he did. RS'ing was key for X. Hemsley is more athletic, and see him making the same transition. In this offense we don't need a TJ McConnell type. We need an X type - someone who makes good decisions & is able to penetrate. IMO Hemsley, along with an improved Zabo & Williams, will fit that role.
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Post by standiego on Feb 9, 2015 11:11:27 GMT -8
I have not followed X 's career in HS or at WSU . but would be my guess that we should not keep trying to convert guys to PG ( Winston , Kell , JJ , AQ, ) that have not played it in HS and have it be on the job training. Next year we are going to have only two or three seniors SS/ AC and not any decision yet from Winston . So on court leadership and off the cort, is not that strong unless some one really steps forward . I do think if DW or KZ would be given more PT they could be guys that could run the offense but even they will need PT or bring in some one . I have not seen Helmsley play but would hope the Aztec coaches have , so they can make a decent decision . UNLV is trying the grad senior transfer route this year as is St Mary's , not sure what guard position the USC / Gonzaga transfer is playing , is that Welsley (sp ) ?
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Post by jpaztec on Feb 9, 2015 12:16:50 GMT -8
I hear we're saving the last '15 scholarship for a Grad transfer, hopefully of the scoring variety, which should in turn open things up for some of the other guys and take the pressure to score off of them. Hemsley is MUCH more of a point guard than Trey or AQ is, no disrespect to them, and is very capable of running the squad, but then again, we have a frosh at point. He's a slasher/scorer type that CAN shoot, but his game is more suited by getting to the rack and kicking out to shooters, or finishing over people. He reminds me of X Thames physically, but is a far better athlete IMO. I still think that Zabo and Williams, along with Hemsley, will share the bulk of the minutes at the point. Have to believe the Trey Kell experiment at the 1 is over after this season.
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Post by sdcoug on Feb 9, 2015 14:58:47 GMT -8
I have not followed X 's career in HS or at WSU . but would be my guess that we should not keep trying to convert guys to PG ( Winston , Kell , JJ , AQ, ) that have not played it in HS and have it be on the job training. Next year we are going to have only two or three seniors SS/ AC and not any decision yet from Winston . So on court leadership and off the cort, is not that strong unless some one really steps forward . I do think if DW or KZ would be given more PT they could be guys that could run the offense but even they will need PT or bring in some one . I have not seen Helmsley play but would hope the Aztec coaches have , so they can make a decent decision . UNLV is trying the grad senior transfer route this year as is St Mary's , not sure what guard position the USC / Gonzaga transfer is playing , is that Welsley (sp ) ? Wesley plays the 3. BTW, Gonzaga's PG - Pango's - was a combo guard in HS & had a strong tendency to play out of control & settle for 3 pointers more often than not rather than penetrating. He had to learn on the job & adapt, and he's a terrific player. Definitely far from being a true point back then. And he's no Hemsley athletically. Many kids who play PG in college come from programs where they looked to score first, rather than set-up & distribute. That's more the norm IMO. Kids like Christopher Anderson are few & far between and even then I'm not sure he'd get PT at our program.
Would you rather have Cody Doolin at Point, or AQ/TK? Personally, I'll take the latter any day. As for Bright at St. Mary's, I was a huge fan of his coming out of HS (MVP of tourney at Torrey Pines), but I'd think he'd still be at Stanford if he was the guy to take someone to the dance. Instead their PG is a combo guard - Chasson Randle. Take a spin through the entire P12 & tell me how many true PGs are starting right now? Oregon has Rorie, but starts Joseph Young at the point, who is a score first guy all the way. Randle at Stanford; Alford at UCLA; Delon Wright at Utah. How about the MW? Haven't counted, but guessing very few were your definition of a true point coming out of HS. Some have the light go on; others not. The kid at USC is a prime example as well - extremely highly sought after PG, but definitely a work in progress. The good news for him is they can afford to let him learn on the job, and lose games along the way. We don't want to do that.
I think getting a solid D1 "True" PG is pretty rare, somewhat like getting a really good true center these days. Just hard to find. Most of the better talents are longer, more physical & fit the "Russell Westbrook" PG mode than Steve Nash/Tiny Archibald mode. At least these days. I do think you see more of them at the lesser programs - kids who were good distributors (e.g. not the alpha dog) but not big enough to play at the next level. Zabo is a good find IMO; Thames was as well. You could tell he'd eventually be a good PG during his first collegiate game but you also knew it wasn't going to happen right away. Reggie Moore was a LOT more polished. It took X 3+ years, including a RS year learning from DJ to really make that happen.
In a perfect world we'd have had a more "pure" PG developed & ready within the program. I think DW would be playing at a lot of programs and would fit the definition of a PG transition guy (post Thames), but not on our team. AQ may not be "pure" by that definition, but I think he brings more to the table than DW.
I've said it before & I'll say it again - as long as there's SOMEONE on your team who can make smart decisions with the ball & create, I don't care if he plays the 1, 2, 3, 4 or even 5. The role is to put other players in position to score. We have that at times, just not consistently. So looking forward - I'm OK with "training" a talent like Hemsley, as I think the talent surrounding him will make the job easier. I also think DW/Zabo will be more prepared to fit that role as well.
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Post by standiego on Feb 9, 2015 15:32:03 GMT -8
very interesting thoughts on a PG . Sure wish Zabo had been talked into red shirting . Believe he has the talent as a guy who can drive and distribute , even believe he could help now . Believe his short coming was trying to do too much and also learning to get through screens , but it seems most of our guards have the same problem . Hope both he and the coaches see him as someone who can contribute as a PG . IMO AQ has spent too much time trying to help with the scoring and not enough getting the ball to his team mates . Would also help if our guys moved more on offense with out the ball and guys did not dribble so much .
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Post by sdcoug on Feb 9, 2015 18:38:59 GMT -8
very interesting thoughts on a PG . Sure wish Zabo had been talked into red shirting . Believe he has the talent as a guy who can drive and distribute , even believe he could help now . Believe his short coming was trying to do too much and also learning to get through screens , but it seems most of our guards have the same problem . Hope both he and the coaches see him as someone who can contribute as a PG . IMO AQ has spent too much time trying to help with the scoring and not enough getting the ball to his team mates . Would also help if our guys moved more on offense with out the ball and guys did not dribble so much .Agree 100%. You can "go through" JJ or whoever, but if guys aren't moving into position to receive/score then it doesn't matter if it's X, DJ or Rajon Rondo distributing the ball. We either default to the dribble and/or stand & look rather than quickly making the next pass. I really like Shrigs but 2 things bug me about him - a) often he's not in the best position when he gets the ball (e.g. he'll be 3 feet past the 3-line rather than 1 foot), and b) he'll catch the ball & bring it in to his chest & almost protect it, before looking to make the next pass. If he'd catch the ball more often within range and/or realize a quick return or rotation pass will set him up for an open jumper better rather than letting the D' react he'd be golden. But it's not just him - seems to be common.
We play effectively at times, but sometimes we sink back into the stand & watch/slow rotation mentality and it is frustrating. We're an average offensive team right now, but our upside is pretty damn good.
As for Zabo, just don't forget he's still raw & a FR. He'll be fine with another year under his belt. He definitely struggles defensively more so than most.
PS. Don't disagree about AQ. When he's on he's great to have on the floor, but his decision making skills aren't quite there as a facilitator. Was it the CSU game where Pope/Shrigs had been nailing it all night long & he'd missed 4 or 5 & at crunch time he decided to take the tough 3 rather than feeding Pope/Shrigs?? A true facilitator knows who/when to feed the right guy (again - don't care if it's the 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5). Kareem was a terrific facilitator of the offense from the post - maybe the best ever. He knew when/where to get the ball, BUT guys moved & gave him the passing lanes.
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Post by standiego on Feb 9, 2015 20:24:21 GMT -8
Wonder about the offense , that we do not use our athleticism on offense because we use so much energy on defense . too often guys just stand around , we do not try to up tempo the offense for transition points , rarely use the guys on the open wing then go inside quickly . The guys who have playing PG the most do not seem to push the offense and get them moving , guys need to move and passes need to be quick and sharp ,always looking for the open guy . Some guards have that court vision others do not . to me it seemed Zabo does but maybe the coaches do not want to play that style of offense . also as we mention we dribble way too much and wonder if some guys do not make the extra pass and force a shot because they think we will not pass it back to them . I wonder with Helmsley coming in , if there will be enough PT for Zabo , DW , Kell , Shrigley - 5 guards is over load .
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Post by pbbroker on Feb 10, 2015 12:56:38 GMT -8
This is a zach collins thread.............
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Post by Gundo on Feb 14, 2015 10:31:50 GMT -8
His girlfriend signed a LOI to play WBB at Montana this week. He visits Utah tonight, then UNM and ends with the Zags. If its no the Aztecs, it will be the Zags. He is not going sit behind Leaf at Zona.
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Post by fisherville on Feb 14, 2015 11:06:25 GMT -8
His girlfriend signed a LOI to play WBB at Montana this week. He visits Utah tonight, then UNM and ends with the Zags. If its no the Aztecs, it will be the Zags. He is not going sit behind Leaf at Zona. AZ has not been recruiting him for a while
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Post by standiego on Feb 14, 2015 11:11:37 GMT -8
As you mentioned ZC is getting a strong push from Utah (PAC ) , also had a good visit with CAL , then onto Lobos , Zags (#3) . After all visits he or some one from the family does say how thankful they were for the visit .
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Feb 14, 2015 11:28:13 GMT -8
Cal may be in the Pac, but Cal is as middling a Pac school as middling gets and I see absolutely nothing which would draw the young man to UNM. (It's obvious from what you read that he's too sophisticated to fall for blatant brown nosing.) Is he LDS? If so, maybe he winds up at Utah. If not, I'm with gundo that he will either commit to us or Gonzaga.
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