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Post by sdcoug on Jan 26, 2015 15:11:15 GMT -8
I know a number of people here disagree, but last night was a good example of the limited impact a defense can have on an opponents 3pt shooting pct. for certain there is an impact, it's just not as much as we'd like there to be. So if someone is draining (especially 3 ft behind the line like last night) then the best you can do is deny them the ball/shot. And fwiw I doubt they'll have a night like that again in viejas, or get as many whistles.mwc is still ours Defense has an impact but as you stated it is limited. Against some teams we can reduce their 3 point shot attempts. We make the shots more difficult. This reduces an opponent's shooting percentage, given enough samples. But in a single game, a team can still make a high percentage of shots, even though they are more difficult. It is a percentage thing. The standard deviation difference between team's defensive 3 point percentages and offensive 3 point percentages is close to the same. So if we can say who is defending makes little difference, then we can also say who is shooting makes little difference. Both do make a difference. This. You can definitely impact 3PT% over the long haul, as it's influenced by the style of D' played. It's a pick your poison type of game, and some chose to collapse & focus on stuffing the middle, while others (usually longer/more athletic) choose to play more around the perimeter. The Bennett's pack D' is predicated on forcing teams to shoot from 3 & stuffing the middle, so in general they tend to do much better in defending the 2PT% than 3PT%.
Due to our length & athleticism we play further out along the perimeter, which opens up the floor to more dribble penetration & post play. We bank on our guys also being quicker & being able to guard penetration & we rely on quick (blind) doubles & help D to help inside, but the "poison" we tend to focus on is along the perimeter.
Teams can get hot from the outside to the point that no matter how well you defend it they'll still hit shots. But as you note, over the long haul we'll be better than most at defending the 3. A team playing with the confidence of a CSU on Saturday would have picked apart a Pack D, zone D, or any type of D on that given night. Or at least most of the night.
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Post by DeeMoney on Jan 26, 2015 16:02:43 GMT -8
I know a number of people here disagree, but last night was a good example of the limited impact a defense can have on an opponents 3pt shooting pct. for certain there is an impact, it's just not as much as we'd like there to be. So if someone is draining (especially 3 ft behind the line like last night) then the best you can do is deny them the ball/shot. And fwiw I doubt they'll have a night like that again in viejas, or get as many whistles.mwc is still ours Defense has an impact but as you stated it is limited. Against some teams we can reduce their 3 point shot attempts. We make the shots more difficult. This reduces an opponent's shooting percentage, given enough samples. But in a single game, a team can still make a high percentage of shots, even though they are more difficult. It is a percentage thing. The standard deviation difference between team's defensive 3 point percentages and offensive 3 point percentages is close to the same. So if we can say who is defending makes little difference, then we can also say who is shooting makes little difference. Both do make a difference. But who is shooting makes far more of a difference. Skylar Spenser shooting threes with a 10 year old defending him will hit far less than Kevin Pangos with Briante Webber covering him. My initial point was that the offense plays a far bigger part in making 3s than the D does in preventing them from being made; so for a small sample size (like the CSU game) streaks can happen. |
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Post by standiego on Jan 26, 2015 16:10:56 GMT -8
Coach Dutcher on his radio show today . they scout the other team but in general they want our defenders to have our heels on the 3 point arc , then guard or defend from there . As also noted if a team is hot they are hot and going to make threes , but you want to make sure they are contested without fouling them ., go straight up not into them .
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Post by AztecBill on Jan 26, 2015 17:21:36 GMT -8
Defense has an impact but as you stated it is limited. Against some teams we can reduce their 3 point shot attempts. We make the shots more difficult. This reduces an opponent's shooting percentage, given enough samples. But in a single game, a team can still make a high percentage of shots, even though they are more difficult. It is a percentage thing. The standard deviation difference between team's defensive 3 point percentages and offensive 3 point percentages is close to the same. So if we can say who is defending makes little difference, then we can also say who is shooting makes little difference. Both do make a difference. But who is shooting makes far more of a difference. Skylar Spenser shooting threes with a 10 year old defending him will hit far less than Kevin Pangos with Briante Webber covering him. My initial point was that the offense plays a far bigger part in making 3s than the D does in preventing them from being made; so for a small sample size (like the CSU game) streaks can happen. Good defense makes a difference Good offense makes a difference. I disagree with the phrase "far bigger". Both just change the percentage chance of making shots. A really good shooter's chance of making a shot goes down against good defense. That doesn't mean he can't have a higher shooting percentage against a good defense and a worse shooting percentage against a bad defense. It just sets the odds of that happening. |
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