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Post by merkarrand on Jan 21, 2015 12:10:01 GMT -8
Shrigley seems like a nice kid who excelled against players of his caliber in high school..He just is not quick enough to defend Divison 1 players one on one or, shoot without being side open and unguarded. Cannot teach quickness and explosiveness, no matter if Fisher's favorite or not
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Post by drshotblock on Jan 21, 2015 12:17:54 GMT -8
Jeez, Shrigley had a hell of a game yesterday. Two blocked shots in about two minutes. Can we give the guy props for once? DA is my favorite player, but it is not an either/or situation.
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Post by standiego on Jan 21, 2015 12:40:17 GMT -8
Every player needs PT to improve their skills . MS can play D against AFA or Slow Pokes , we will see at CSU or even more when we play Fresno , who have quick guards and forwards , definitely going to need the DA . Yes Pope does get beat , so does MS with regularity against quick guards . Over the long haul still believe we get shooting from AQ , so the need is greater for a true PG , defender in the DA or all around offense with POPE , who with his size and athletic ability can recover on D to cover or make blocks . He needs more PT . By the way the long bounce pass from the DA to TK was one of the best passes / assists we have made all year. Also the assists and extra passes we made last night was great to see.
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Post by danloc09 on Jan 21, 2015 14:34:33 GMT -8
If your opinion on this changes after one game that is weird.
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Post by Ambivalent_Fan on Jan 21, 2015 14:35:45 GMT -8
Every player needs PT to improve their skills . MS can play D against AFA or Slow Pokes , we will see at CSU or even more when we play Fresno , who have quick guards and forwards , definitely going to need the DA . Yes Pope does get beat , so does MS with regularity against quick guards . Over the long haul still believe we get shooting from AQ , so the need is greater for a true PG , defender in the DA or all around offense with POPE , who with his size and athletic ability can recover on D to cover or make blocks . He needs more PT . By the way the long bounce pass from the DA to TK was one of the best passes / assists we have made all year. Also the assists and extra passes we made last night was great to see. Who the hell is this "true point guard" that several so-called intelligent people keep talking about? - Someone who brings the ball up the floor?
- Someone who passes first and then looks to score?
- Someone who can shoot from the outside?
- Someone who can drive the lane?
- Someone quick enough to defend the opposing PG?
- Someone who doesn't turn the ball over?
...but I guess that's not AQ...or X...or DJ...well in some esteemed people's opinion writing blather on this board.... ...because of why?...because they score too much? If that's the case...then Stephan Curry is not a PG...nor is Westbrook...nor is Chris Paul...(or Magic / Oscar Robinson / Stockton / Isiah Thomas / Bob Cousy / Jason Kidd)... AQ is everything a point guard can/should be...he can score...handle the ball without turning the ball over...drive the lane...dish...defend the perimeter... All this crap that we don't have a PG is just wrong written by trained monkeys who slap out random messages on their keyboards and make it sound as though they have a thoughtful opinion...when in fact all they have is a idiotic opinion... Oh yeah...I forgot...we should hope that Shriggs transfers and JJ quits the program...written by yet more Mensa candidates...don't quit your day job to become a basketball analyst (assuming that someone would actually give you a job in the first place)...
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Post by I Enjoy Aztecs Basketball on Jan 21, 2015 14:43:05 GMT -8
Every player needs PT to improve their skills . MS can play D against AFA or Slow Pokes , we will see at CSU or even more when we play Fresno , who have quick guards and forwards , definitely going to need the DA . Yes Pope does get beat , so does MS with regularity against quick guards . Over the long haul still believe we get shooting from AQ , so the need is greater for a true PG , defender in the DA or all around offense with POPE , who with his size and athletic ability can recover on D to cover or make blocks . He needs more PT . By the way the long bounce pass from the DA to TK was one of the best passes / assists we have made all year. Also the assists and extra passes we made last night was great to see. What the hell is a true point guard that several so-called intelligent people keep talking about? - Someone who brings the ball up the floor?
- Someone who passes first and then looks to score?
- Someone who can shoot from the outside?
- Someone who can drive the lane?
- Someone quick enough to defend the opposing PG?
- Someone who doesn't turn the ball over?
...but that's not AQ...or X...or DJ...is some esteemed people's opinion writing blather on this board.... ...because of why?...because they score too much? If that's the case...then Stephan Curry is not a PG...nor is Westbrook...nor is Chris Paul...(or Magic / Oscar Robinson / Stockton / Isiah Thomas / Bob Cousy / Jason Kidd)... AQ is everything a point guard can/should be...he can score...handle the ball without turning the ball over...drive the lane...dish...defend the perimeter... All this crap that we don't have a PG is just wrong written by trained monkeys who slap out random messages on their keyboards and make it sound as though they have a thoughtful opinion...when in fact all they have is a idiotic opinion... Oh yeah...I forgot...we should hope that Shriggs transfers and JJ quits the program...written by yet more Mensa candidates...don't quit your day job to become a basketball analyst (assuming that someone would actually give you a job in the first place)... I don't disagree with your sentiment, at all. In fact, I agree with it. That being said, I think it's time you scheduled your next massage, my friend. We're talking basketball here...
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Post by aztectone on Jan 21, 2015 14:53:50 GMT -8
I actually like when Shrigley and Allen are in the game together. I think they make each other better.
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Post by NCAztec82 on Jan 21, 2015 15:39:36 GMT -8
Killed this thread should be.
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Post by K2Aztec73 on Jan 21, 2015 15:42:42 GMT -8
Killed this thread should be.
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Post by standiego on Jan 21, 2015 16:33:43 GMT -8
Yes both X and DJ did all the things you listed for a PG . We all have our opinions IMO , AQ has not done them all if so the offense would not be running through JJ . AQ has been more effective then Shrigley as a scorer but not so much as the facilitator for the team to make others better . Do believe the offense is better when we move the ball around inside and out . Maybe if we need more movement a true PG and move AQ to SG , or when we play Fresno a better defender The DA on their guards . But we know the team is winning , Fisher does not like to change the starting line up , so it is a mute point . Also that Fisher does play 8 to 10 players so as been pointed out ,have the guys producing in there at crunch time . Hope we continue to move the ball , to win and all the guys get PT .
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Post by sdcoug on Jan 21, 2015 16:55:36 GMT -8
Every player needs PT to improve their skills . MS can play D against AFA or Slow Pokes , we will see at CSU or even more when we play Fresno , who have quick guards and forwards , definitely going to need the DA . Yes Pope does get beat , so does MS with regularity against quick guards . Over the long haul still believe we get shooting from AQ , so the need is greater for a true PG , defender in the DA or all around offense with POPE , who with his size and athletic ability can recover on D to cover or make blocks . He needs more PT . By the way the long bounce pass from the DA to TK was one of the best passes / assists we have made all year. Also the assists and extra passes we made last night was great to see. I can't believe the pass that DA gets when he plays poorly yet people jump all over Shrigley when he has a semi-bad game. Allen was TERRIBLE for much of the game yesterday. Was beat defensively on back to back possessions; made a stupid foul; and offensively was off. Meanwhile Shrigs did get beat on a couple plays - as did Allen, but he also had 3 blocks & played the perimeter D' VERY WELL, which was the objective. He also delivered offensively.
BOTH players have their strengths. DA is good facing bigger guys and extremely quick guys, but Shrigs can handle most players more than sufficiently while providing a perimeter threat & opening up the floor for others. Shrigs is a better offensive player, period. DA can penetrate, but does nothing from the outside.
It's all about match-ups, and who else is on the floor with each player.
As for Pope, he still has a long ways to go. He'll get minutes, but this is LEAGUE PLAY. You play the guys who give you the best chance of winning NOW. That means Shrigs & DA being in the primary rotation, and Pope continue to work his way into the rotation as the 9th guy in the 8.5 man rotation.
I'd expect Pope to get plenty of run when we play FSU & USU at home, and Nevada on the road. That's give him the opportunity to earn more minutes. However, for the tougher games - go with your best, and ideally give your best 5-7 even more minutes.
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Post by dupree on Jan 21, 2015 17:17:47 GMT -8
Every player needs PT to improve their skills . MS can play D against AFA or Slow Pokes , we will see at CSU or even more when we play Fresno , who have quick guards and forwards , definitely going to need the DA . Yes Pope does get beat , so does MS with regularity against quick guards . Over the long haul still believe we get shooting from AQ , so the need is greater for a true PG , defender in the DA or all around offense with POPE , who with his size and athletic ability can recover on D to cover or make blocks . He needs more PT . By the way the long bounce pass from the DA to TK was one of the best passes / assists we have made all year. Also the assists and extra passes we made last night was great to see. I can't believe the pass that DA gets when he plays poorly yet people jump all over Shrigley when he has a semi-bad game. Allen was TERRIBLE for much of the game yesterday. Was beat defensively on back to back possessions; made a stupid foul; and offensively was off. Meanwhile Shrigs did get beat on a couple plays - as did Allen, but he also had 3 blocks & played the perimeter D' VERY WELL, which was the objective. He also delivered offensively.
BOTH players have their strengths. DA is good facing bigger guys and extremely quick guys, but Shrigs can handle most players more than sufficiently while providing a perimeter threat & opening up the floor for others. Shrigs is a better offensive player, period. DA can penetrate, but does nothing from the outside.
It's all about match-ups, and who else is on the floor with each player.
As for Pope, he still has a long ways to go. He'll get minutes, but this is LEAGUE PLAY. You play the guys who give you the best chance of winning NOW. That means Shrigs & DA being in the primary rotation, and Pope continue to work his way into the rotation as the 9th guy in the 8.5 man rotation.
I'd expect Pope to get plenty of run when we play FSU & USU at home, and Nevada on the road. That's give him the opportunity to earn more minutes. However, for the tougher games - go with your best, and ideally give your best 5-7 even more minutes.
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Post by dupree on Jan 21, 2015 17:24:08 GMT -8
Leave the starters alone right now, we gave a good rotation going so don't mess with it. We have the best depth ever and we need to continue to take advantage of it. Being consistent is the biggest key for every player right now. We are getting better every game and our defense keeps us in every game. I believe we can run the table and get a 6 or 7 seed come tourney time. Coach knows every players strengths and opportunities so let him continue to make the right moves.
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Post by sdcoug on Jan 24, 2015 23:18:44 GMT -8
Still think DA should start over shrigs? Hope not.
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Post by dupree on Jan 24, 2015 23:54:28 GMT -8
So after every game we go say who should start? Every player has a glaring opportunity on this team and that's FIsher's dilemma right now, Matt and Malik were killing offensively tonight but guess what we lost due to having 3 offensively minded players on the court at the same time. Our identity is defense first and we .could not get a stop that 5 minutes to save our life. We have too many inconsistent players that show up for a couple of games and then disappear for a couple games. We have many weapons and everybody needs to play their roles and we will be successful.
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Post by northcountymike on Jan 25, 2015 1:16:11 GMT -8
Still think DA should start over shrigs? Hope not. Of course not. And the "spark" that DA brings to the court when he goes in usually results in three quick (and pointless) fouls. At least he's consistent in that regard.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Jan 25, 2015 9:17:58 GMT -8
Still think DA should start over shrigs? Hope not. They're both erratic. If the staff knew which one was going to play well and which wasn't, the answer to which should start would be apparent. Maybe Fish should consult one of those women with a big sign in front of her house who you pay to predict the future.
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Post by smoketree on Jan 25, 2015 10:59:37 GMT -8
I'm really sorry but the love affair with DA I don't think is really warranted. Yes, I love his intensity and he seems like a great young man, however, he needs to slow his game down. He seems to rush all his shots and makes too many silly fouls as has been mentioned before....As Fish says, he needs to let the game come to him and stop rushing everything IMO.
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Post by standiego on Jan 25, 2015 11:19:57 GMT -8
As with all the Aztecs they are inconsistent , one good game then another when they are not . AQ had 10 points but only 3 of 12 shooting , including 0 for 6 on threes , and again only 1 assist for the PG . Need some one to direct the offense besides JJ and AQ has to know what guys are hot and hit them with a pass late in the game not just be a shooter . Still not a good distributor of the basketball .
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