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Post by AztecWilliam on Dec 19, 2014 22:48:52 GMT -8
We've talked infinitum about being added to a P5 conference (which means the Big-12). I think most of us agree that that scenario has a vanishingly small chance of becoming reality.
If we were invited to the Big-12, how long would it take for Aztec football to become competitive? Speculation, of course, but I'd have to say that it would probably be some seasons before we could notch more than a couple of Big-12 wins in a single year. And beat out Oklahoma and Texas? Hmmmmm. . . I wouldn't count on it.
On the other hand, if getting a promotion is out of the question, how bad would it be to stay where we are, or perhaps joining a best of the rest conference, which would still be minor league in the minds of most fans nationally? Well, if SDSU continues to win 7, 8, and sometimes 9 games a year with few if any significant wins, our situation would probably be no better, and perhaps worse. Especially with the added cost of new benefits to players and the occasional season of 6 or even 5 wins.
But what if we could match, or come close to matching, what Boise has done? I don't mean beating Oklahoma in a bowl game, but rather winning 10 or more games a year on a regular basis. What if we found ourselves in the Top-25 several times per decade? What if it were SDSU in one of the big bowl games instead of Boise State? What if the local crowd finally woke up to the fact that Aztec football was pretty exciting and a bargain compared with the cost of going to Charger games? What if we became so dominant in the MWC that we could demand the elimination of the preferential treatment given to Boise?
Doing all those things would be tough, but I can see a time when they might become reality. What I have trouble seeing is SDSU in the Big-12. And I can't see us in the Pac-12 under any circumstances.
AzWm
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Post by rednblk on Dec 19, 2014 23:06:00 GMT -8
Believe it or not, but our football program may be better than Kansas or Iowa State. The Big 12 has been in existence for 20 years now, and the Baylor Bears (located in a small town) are just now playing competitive against the likes of Texas and OU. TCU has surprised a lot of folks being relevant so quickly.
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Post by rednblk on Dec 19, 2014 23:19:09 GMT -8
We were 3 wins away from having an outstanding season. The ones that hurt most for me was North Carolina and Boise. I don't think we are too far off from those 'What ifs'. Sadly, the fan support is what may take the longest.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Dec 19, 2014 23:49:24 GMT -8
If we are denied a chance to play in a P5 conference we had darned well better boost this program so that it is the best, or at least one of the two or three best, G5 football programs. That's what we should concentrate one, since getting a P5 invitation is beyond our control. Being the best in the G5 is something we can control.
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Post by gocoaztec on Dec 20, 2014 6:53:57 GMT -8
While we must continue to do all that we can to be invited to a P5 conference, I agree that our chances seem to be very small. So small that as a school and fan base we must face, and embrace, our most likely future: the MWC. We must do what we can to make SDSU a dominant school in a strong G5 conference. There are many on AMesa that take every opportunity to put down the MWC. They are tearing down our home.
Support SDSU first.
Support the MWC second.
The majority of the MWC bowl games are today. Root for Nevada, USU, CSU, and AFA. Be a fan of the Blue when BSU plays in the Fiesta Bowl.
And, of course, Go AZTECS sink Navy!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 7:20:45 GMT -8
If we were invited to the Big-12, how long would it take for Aztec football to become competitive? Speculation, of course, but I'd have to say that it would probably be some seasons before we could notch more than a couple of Big-12 wins in a single year. And beat out Oklahoma and Texas? Hmmmmm. . . I wouldn't count on it. We'd be "competitive" from the get go. Only teams I think we'd have trouble with as of today would be Baylor, TCU (of course), and Kansas State. All the others- including Oklahoma and Texas- aren't world-beaters in the least. We'd take our early lumps for sure, but if we were invited to the BIG XII this program would TAKE OFF. No doubt about it in my mind. The athletes that would commit to SDSU would be a level above. 5*s anyone?
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Post by sleepy on Dec 20, 2014 8:17:41 GMT -8
There was a SLC Trib article somebody posted on here a couple years ago about how the Utes were struggling early on as PAC 12 members, with intensified competition week after week. But they seem to have risen to some form of respectability now. It takes time, but both TCU and Utah have adjusted.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 8:22:44 GMT -8
There was a SLC Trib article somebody posted on here a couple years ago about how the Utes were struggling early on as PAC 12 members, with intensified competition week after week. But they seem to have risen to some form of respectability now. It takes time, but both TCU and Utah have adjusted. It took what, all of TWO years?
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Post by standiego on Dec 20, 2014 10:03:59 GMT -8
Would guess we are being a little unrealistic if we do not realize the difference between the P5 and G5 . And the difference will only get wider. MONEY the P5 schools get about 20 million from TV for the regular season , the MW mostly 1.25 (other then BSU ). Then add the extra money from bowl game payouts for P5 Bowls and G5 Bowls major drop also from millions to thousands . Playoff money P5 conferences get 50 million to split ,G5 15 million to split . It all adds up in money for coaching and recruiting , facilities and Most Important Players. I know when TCU moved to B12 it did not get a full share of the TV revenue from the conference , was it 50% and gains every year ?Feel confident IF they expand the share will be even smaller maybe 25 to 33 % ? , much better then G5 but still less then the current schools.It does take a few years to get the money going to into the program . Also believe TCU was a member of the old SW Conference BSU , got great deal from MW on TV deal . Had the best team in G5 , get to play in the best G5 vs P5 Bowl and payout . Take a look at BSU record this year lost to Ole Miss 35-17 (P5) - fell apart in the second half . Beat G5 UCONN at UCONN , beat BYU . Lost to AFA at AFA . Beat CSU at BSU . . . Seasons ticket sales 2012: 22,500 , 2013: 21,900 , 2014: 20,250 . Keep going down. They have needed to boost attendance with promotions , even though they played CSU , BYU , SDSU, at home .
As you state getting into PAC is not going to happen for SDSU . B12 will only expand if forced . Look to see what happens for playoffs going to Elite 8. So the current goal for SDSU should be to win MW and get into the G5 vs P5 Bowl . That should be the goal nothing less and can be attainable . Does take good recruiting and development of QB's . Realizing you are not going to get to the goals with out them .
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Post by AztecWilliam on Dec 20, 2014 10:51:14 GMT -8
TCU and Utah were very, very good when they entered the Big-12 and Pac-12 respectively. Even so, they were not immediately competitive. SDSU, at present, is not close to what Utah and TCU were when they left the MWC.
But the main thing to consider is that our chances of moving up to the Big-12 (the only realistic possibility among the Power conferences) are very, very poor. If that's so, our only chance for greater success (meaning 10 or more wins per year and national ranking) depends on becoming more successful as a member of the MWC. The program has improved, but from an abysmally low level (i.e., the 1999-2009 era). We still can't beat P5 schools (except Wash. St. once). As to ranking, we are not only far from the Top-25, we trail at least two or three FCS schools in Sagarin's rankings. In short SDSU football is not terrible, but at best is only a bit better than mediocre. The question is, will we be able to match Boise State as one of the top FBS programs? (BSU's appearance in the Fiesta Bowl is a huge plus for the Broncos' program. Imagine what it would have done for SDSU had the Aztecs won the MWC championship!)
To do that, there is going to have to be a lot smarter and more strategic thinking in the corner offices of the school's administration. And a lot more local fans attending games and contributing money.
AzWm
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Post by robthevol on Dec 20, 2014 10:53:55 GMT -8
The little fish in the big pond are getting about $20,000,000 a year. More in the Big10 and SEC.
The problem is, big fish in the little pond will become smaller and smaller being fed on a diet of $1,000,000-$2,000,000 per year.
The football money paid to Wake Forest, Indiana, Washington State, Iowa State is incredible.
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Dec 20, 2014 11:15:28 GMT -8
There was a SLC Trib article somebody posted on here a couple years ago about how the Utes were struggling early on as PAC 12 members, with intensified competition week after week. But they seem to have risen to some form of respectability now. It takes time, but both TCU and Utah have adjusted. It took what, all of TWO years? /Thread
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Post by standiego on Dec 20, 2014 11:18:28 GMT -8
Today The goal for the FB Coach and AD is basic to being considered a success . Aztecs need to win the MW and at least get into the G5 vs P5 Bowl . . Key for the Aztecs is realizing that is not going to happen until we can RECRUIT and DEVELOP quality QB's . If we can not do that then there is little chance of getting to those goals . BSU will benefit from playing in the G5 vs P5 Bowl , especially if they win ( also financially if they continue to get the sweet money deal they set up ) . Some could speculate that if we had a top QB this year we would have been in the Championship game . Need to create the idea that we are a school that is QB oriented to get those recruits and then develop them . Even Rocky has said the QB can be the difference between being a very good team or an average team . Hope he puts that into action . May start with the new OC he selects . Action speaks a lot louder then words .
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Post by AztecWilliam on Dec 20, 2014 12:49:08 GMT -8
The little fish in the big pond are getting about $20,000,000 a year. More in the Big10 and SEC. The problem is, big fish in the little pond will become smaller and smaller being fed on a diet of $1,000,000-$2,000,000 per year. The football money paid to Wake Forest, Indiana, Washington State, Iowa State is incredible. I can't argue with that, but Wake Forest, Indiana, Washington State, and Iowa State are in and we are out. With poor prospects of getting in. That means we have to excel where we are. 8-5 or 9-4 seasons while finishing second in the Western Div of the MWC are not what I would call excelling. AzWm
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Post by hoobs on Dec 20, 2014 13:23:29 GMT -8
The little fish in the big pond are getting about $20,000,000 a year. More in the Big10 and SEC. The problem is, big fish in the little pond will become smaller and smaller being fed on a diet of $1,000,000-$2,000,000 per year. The football money paid to Wake Forest, Indiana, Washington State, Iowa State is incredible. This is exactly it. Survival (i.e. $$$) of the SDSU Athletic Dept. in something close to the form of what we presently recognize depends upon becoming a "small fish in a big pond," so to speak.
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Post by standiego on Dec 20, 2014 14:35:10 GMT -8
Unfortunately all the G 5 schools only get G5 money and we have to deal with what we have or go play the "MONEY ROAD GAME" at a P5 school . Also even the P5 conferences have their lower level teams ,that have not been to a quality bowl game in a long time But they still get the same MONEY their top teams get from the TV deal , . The Beavers, WSU, ... and other lower level P5 teams, can still say they are a P5 school and get the next tier of recruits after the Big Boys get the top 5 and 4* guys , then we battle to land a 3* with them. or maybe even a 2 * . The divide will only widens as more money goes to All P5 schools . So unless the B12 is forced to expand the situation only gets worse . Key is being the top dog in the MW , and not willing to settle for less .
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Post by myownwords on Dec 20, 2014 14:35:13 GMT -8
We need to get Mark Hudspeth as our new HC.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 15:36:54 GMT -8
We need to get Mark Hudspeth as our new HC. That and play all our games in the New Orleans Superdome.
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Post by myownwords on Dec 20, 2014 15:41:30 GMT -8
We played there once---and lost.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 15:45:08 GMT -8
We played there once---and lost. Yeah, wasn't he the coach of the opposing team?
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