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Post by aztecshane01 on Dec 17, 2014 21:31:32 GMT -8
Run a little hi-low, let Winston be the facilitator he is/wants to be, free up Kell to be the scorer he is...how can Fish & Co. not see this?
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Post by aztecttcas on Dec 17, 2014 21:45:41 GMT -8
you are being too intelligent. people on this board dont want to question Fisher. I said from the beginning Kell is not a PG. Wasting his development just like we wasted 2 years of Shep's development. Wasting Zabo and Pope's too. But hey, we got the glue guy JJ playing all the minutes.
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Post by uncledougy on Dec 17, 2014 21:49:31 GMT -8
Shep has serious issues taking care of the ball. He can make great passes and see the floor, but he gets "back tapped" more than anyone I have seen. He needs to play right where he is at.
The Freshman are only 10 games in and Kell is doing a great job. You will see just how much you want him at the point come March.
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Post by aztecttcas on Dec 17, 2014 21:50:33 GMT -8
I rather see how awesome Kell is at SG where he can average 20 a game. He's not a PG. Train Zabo...that's why they recruited him.
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Post by keepersdsu on Dec 17, 2014 21:50:54 GMT -8
you are being too intelligent. people on this board dont want to question Fisher. I said from the beginning Kell is not a PG. Wasting his development just like we wasted 2 years of Shep's development. Wasting Zabo and Pope's too. But hey, we got the glue guy JJ playing all the minutes. Wait.....how is he intelligent if he is saying that we should do what you said was a waste of Shep's development? I'm confused. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 21:56:44 GMT -8
I rather see how awesome Kell is at SG where he can average 20 a game. He's not a PG. Train Zabo...that's why they recruited him. Freshman year Trey Kell can average more PPG than senior year Xavier Thames?? |
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Post by aztecttcas on Dec 17, 2014 22:02:04 GMT -8
you are being too intelligent. people on this board dont want to question Fisher. I said from the beginning Kell is not a PG. Wasting his development just like we wasted 2 years of Shep's development. Wasting Zabo and Pope's too. But hey, we got the glue guy JJ playing all the minutes. Wait.....how is he intelligent if he is saying that we should do what you said was a waste of Shep's development? I'm confused. I was referring to Kell going to SG and being the guy. At this point, I'd put Quinn at PG (or play Zabo) and leave Shep at SF. |
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Post by standiego on Dec 17, 2014 23:02:36 GMT -8
Kell , JJ , Shepard and AQ are not PG's . Time to give Zabo an opportunity to show why he was recruited as a PG . Kell is a SG ,let him play his position , or trade off with Polee . Polee and Shrigley are not accurate 3 point shooters. Polee is good near the basket . Shrigley is very streaky and not a good shooter either . Pope deserves his minutes . We are at our best when we move the ball and try to score near the basket not launch threes.
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Post by mySTRAS on Dec 17, 2014 23:29:51 GMT -8
I rather see how awesome Kell is at SG where he can average 20 a game. He's not a PG. Train Zabo...that's why they recruited him. Freshman year Trey Kell can average more PPG than senior year Xavier Thames?? Anyone on this team who can shoot 45%+ from outside 15 feet should be fed the ball until their shooting hand falls off. |
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Post by merkarrand on Dec 18, 2014 10:31:34 GMT -8
Not one, including Zabo know how to pass the ball. None have a quiver of passes to get the ball to an open man. Polee can play above the rim and get there quicker than most...but not one will lob the ball for him to go and get... as well as taking his man off the dribble..seems programmed to get rid of the ball like a hot potato.~~~ How many times have you seen the point guard, whoever it may be at the time, set up a back door or a pick and roll with a big man. How many times have you seen Shepherd post up the midget that is guarding him at times. Just a few options a good point guard can facilitate
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Post by merkarrand on Dec 18, 2014 10:31:58 GMT -8
Not one, including Zabo know how to pass the ball. None have a quiver of passes to get the ball to an open man. Polee can play above the rim and get there quicker than most...but not one will lob the ball for him to go and get... as well as taking his man off the dribble..seems programmed to get rid of the ball like a hot potato.~~~ How many times have you seen the point guard, whoever it may be at the time, set up a back door or a pick and roll with a big man. How many times have you seen Shepherd post up the midget that is guarding him at times. Just a few options a good point guard can facilitate
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Post by danloc09 on Dec 18, 2014 10:33:44 GMT -8
What I don't understand is that all I see on here are complaints about turnovers, and the two solutions given are to turn the point over to the two people who turn the ball over the most on the team.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2014 15:22:04 GMT -8
Freshman year Trey Kell can average more PPG than senior year Xavier Thames?? Anyone on this team who can shoot 45%+ from outside 15 feet should be fed the ball until their shooting hand falls off. I would hope so-- that's an NBA hall of fame shooting percentage from that distance. |
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Post by untitled on Dec 18, 2014 16:15:03 GMT -8
kell can't even get the ball past half court. JJ can break a press better than him both in handles and in making smart passes.
He'll make a great SG but it's nerve wracking watching him handle the ball under any amount of pressure.
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Post by sdsu1975 on Dec 18, 2014 16:22:39 GMT -8
kell can't even get the ball past half court. JJ can break a press better than him both in handles and in making smart passes. He'll make a great SG but it's nerve wracking watching him handle the ball under any amount of pressure. Don't tell me how JJ can break a press!!! Did you watch the game last night?  |
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Post by northcountymike on Dec 18, 2014 16:25:52 GMT -8
What I don't understand is that all I see on here are complaints about turnovers, and the two solutions given are to turn the point over to the two people who turn the ball over the most on the team. Kell, Shepard, or even JJO shouldn't be our options at the point. These guys are scorers (minus JJO) and while Shep can occasionally handle the rock and bring it up the floor, he still gets it picked or loses the handle way too much. I'd much rather see us start to groom Zabo or even Williams to take over full-time. They're young and even though they might make mistakes early on (I don't think it could be worse than Kell and Shepard now), both are quicker than Kell and Shepard and have better handles I think. I also don't think Zabo and Williams have had the chance to really show us what they can do shooting the ball, either. |
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Post by danloc09 on Dec 18, 2014 16:59:45 GMT -8
What I don't understand is that all I see on here are complaints about turnovers, and the two solutions given are to turn the point over to the two people who turn the ball over the most on the team. Kell, Shepard, or even JJO shouldn't be our options at the point. These guys are scorers (minus JJO) and while Shep can occasionally handle the rock and bring it up the floor, he still gets it picked or loses the handle way too much. I'd much rather see us start to groom Zabo or even Williams to take over full-time. They're young and even though they might make mistakes early on (I don't think it could be worse than Kell and Shepard now), both are quicker than Kell and Shepard and have better handles I think. I also don't think Zabo and Williams have had the chance to really show us what they can do shooting the ball, either. Zabo is turning it over on almost 30% of his possessions. He may eventually be good, but he would not have helped last night. |
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Post by northcountymike on Dec 18, 2014 18:40:15 GMT -8
Kell, Shepard, or even JJO shouldn't be our options at the point. These guys are scorers (minus JJO) and while Shep can occasionally handle the rock and bring it up the floor, he still gets it picked or loses the handle way too much. I'd much rather see us start to groom Zabo or even Williams to take over full-time. They're young and even though they might make mistakes early on (I don't think it could be worse than Kell and Shepard now), both are quicker than Kell and Shepard and have better handles I think. I also don't think Zabo and Williams have had the chance to really show us what they can do shooting the ball, either. Zabo is turning it over on almost 30% of his possessions. He may eventually be good, but he would not have helped last night. At this point, I still think it's worth the "risk." Sure he might not have helped last night, but he also couldn't have made it much worse I don't think. Last night's game was not an isolated event; they have been playing this way since the start of the season. I'd much rather have a true point guard out there making mistakes and learning more about his true position than a combination of out-of-position players asked to do something that might be beyond their skill set; that same combination of players that keep exhibiting the same tendencies with the same results. |
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Post by danloc09 on Dec 18, 2014 18:54:34 GMT -8
Zabo is turning it over on almost 30% of his possessions. He may eventually be good, but he would not have helped last night. At this point, I still think it's worth the "risk." Sure he might not have helped last night, but he also couldn't have made it much worse I don't think. Last night's game was not an isolated event; they have been playing this way since the start of the season. I'd much rather have a true point guard out there making mistakes and learning more about his true position than a combination of out-of-position players asked to do something that might be beyond their skill set; that same combination of players that keep exhibiting the same tendencies with the same results. That's fine, may cost us near term though. I'm sure he'll play over these next few games. |
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Post by sdcoug on Dec 18, 2014 19:09:24 GMT -8
Zabo is turning it over on almost 30% of his possessions. He may eventually be good, but he would not have helped last night. At this point, I still think it's worth the "risk." Sure he might not have helped last night, but he also couldn't have made it much worse I don't think. Last night's game was not an isolated event; they have been playing this way since the start of the season. I'd much rather have a true point guard out there making mistakes and learning more about his true position than a combination of out-of-position players asked to do something that might be beyond their skill set; that same combination of players that keep exhibiting the same tendencies with the same results. I like Zabo as much as the next guy, but a) he turns it over WAY too much, b) he's a defensive liability, even compared to Kell, c) he can't rebound as well as Kell, and 4) he isn't any better shooting the ball. Kell draws more fouls, plays more aggressively, and right now is a better all around player on both ends of the court.
They'll both be good eventually, but given the choice I'll take Kell. Both are going to have up & down games all season, and with most freshmen patience is key.
Like with any QB, the back-up is typically more popular than the starter, especially after a loss. IMO that's the case with Kell. If Zabo were playing the majority of the minutes I have a feeling people would be calling for Kell.
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