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Post by aztecdan8 on Dec 15, 2014 23:51:17 GMT -8
I don't care one way or another about the Chargers but the last thing I want to see is the GD Raiders moving back here to L.A. so if the Chargers moving would prevent that, I'm all for it. I'll add this. Jim Harbaugh is now as good as fired as the 49ers coach and when I was in the Bay Area on business three weeks ago, there was considerable speculation on KNBR680 about the Raiders hiring him. Word from Gary Raditch and others who know Jimbo pretty well was that if they were to move to San Antonio, there's no way he would take that job since he wants to remain in California more than anything but would much prefer Ann Arbor for the Michigan job or NY for the Jets over San Antone. But OTOH, he reportedly thinks very highly of Derek Carr. As a Niners fan, I would love to have Carr. Anything to get rid of that cancer Kap. Well, he's really not a cancer, he's just not very smart. Or very good. Trade Harbaugh and Kaepernick to the Raiders for a new Carr.
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Post by Montezumas Revenge 88 on Dec 16, 2014 0:21:17 GMT -8
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Post by aztecsrule72001 on Dec 16, 2014 1:25:59 GMT -8
Go ahead and dislike the ownership and/or disapprove of the proposed financing, but if you're a native San Diegan (let alone a sports fan) and wish the Chargers would move, knowing we'll likely never get another NFL team in most of our lifetimes, that's just idiotic. ...and exactly why should we care if San Diego is a NFL city or not...not having a NFL team hasn't exactly killed off LA...or San Antonio...Portland...or Vegas...from growing like weeds...in contrast it hasn't helped Buffalo...Oakland...Cincinnati...Cleveland or Detroit become world-class cities... San Diego isn't defined by the Chargers (or Padres)...it is defined by our weather...beaches...cleanliness...technology...and universities... The Chargers take money from the citizens of San Diego and redistributes it to its ownership and its players (many who are not even year-around residents of San Diego)... The Chargers are a bad deal for a great majority of San Diegans... Yea it isn't like any of those cities are looking to add a NFL team...
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Post by aztecttcas on Dec 16, 2014 1:45:50 GMT -8
no big deal if the Chargers leave. Invest that money in a bigger convention center. Expand a bigger arena for SDSU basketball or attract an NBA team. Ideally we should keep football but just not the Chargers and not with our tax dollars. They want a stadium, then build it themselves just like any of us have to if we open our own business. We have $2billion in infrastructure costs to upgrade the plumbing and older buildings around town. Better things to do with our money. We are fine without Chargers. We are not like Orlando that needs Disneyworld or small college towns that need their universities (or Green Bay without the Packers for that matter.) I rather build a new airport come to think of it. Many other ways to make money that is also useful to the city.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Dec 16, 2014 5:01:18 GMT -8
You know, it's really kind of pathetic the way that Aztec fans have become so bitter when it comes to the Chargers.
Don Coryell would be appalled and saddened by the attitude of many Aztec fans towards his OTHER team. Both the Aztecs AND the Chargers were Don Coryell's teams. He loved and supported both. Too bad Aztec fans can't realize that.
When the Chargers made it to the Super Bowl almost everyone in San Diego felt great. It was just like when the Padres made it to the World Series. You can't get that kind of good feeling from a convention center. The Chargers (and Padres, if they ever get their act together) can unify people in town that otherwise have little in common. The Chargers are SAN DIEGO's team. It's an issue of civic pride and good feelings. Frankly, the Aztecs cannot provide that since a majority of people in town have not attended school there and have no connection to it.
But you guys go on hating the Chargers and perpetuating the Little Brother syndrome. The Chargers leaving San Diego will NOT be a good thing for the city. That's why EVERY city that lost an NFL team did anything and everything they could to get one back. If the Chargers leave, we're never getting one back because the NFL hates San Diego. They LOVE L.A. and see San Diego as that better looking, smarter little brother. He's a nuisance.
Like I said, Don Coryell would be both appalled and saddened by most of your attitudes towards the Chargers.
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Post by McQuervo on Dec 16, 2014 6:28:49 GMT -8
No team has been able to sustain a fan base in LA. Add> look at what the Spano's have done to the taxpayers here in Sd, its only going to be worse for LA.
Hate to see them go> no second thought, bye, bye!
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Post by azson on Dec 16, 2014 7:28:01 GMT -8
I don't care one way or another about the Chargers but the last thing I want to see is the GD Raiders moving back here to L.A. so if the Chargers moving would prevent that, I'm all for it. I'll add this. Jim Harbaugh is now as good as fired as the 49ers coach and when I was in the Bay Area on business three weeks ago, there was considerable speculation on KNBR680 about the Raiders hiring him. Word from Gary Raditch and others who know Jimbo pretty well was that if they were to move to San Antonio, there's no way he would take that job since he wants to remain in California more than anything but would much prefer Ann Arbor for the Michigan job or NY for the Jets over San Antone. But OTOH, he reportedly thinks very highly of Derek Carr. As a Niners fan, I would love to have Carr. Anything to get rid of that cancer Kap. Well, he's really not a cancer, he's just not very smart. I used to be a 9er fan (#2 after Bolts) as well, but I've been rooting against them since they hosed Smith. I don't blame Kaep at all, he is who is, it wasn't his decision to make that unconscionable choice to not allow Alex a chance to prove he was still #1. It's Harbaugh and/or GM who are the cancers and 9ers won't win another SB until the house is cleaned.
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Post by azteceric on Dec 16, 2014 7:56:23 GMT -8
Yeah I heard them say that too, but don't believe it. Again OC but not LA. I would say Vegas has more revenue for the Chargers than LA, be nice to see the numbers and not get the speech from the Chargers.
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Post by azteceric on Dec 16, 2014 7:57:32 GMT -8
You know, it's really kind of pathetic the way that Aztec fans have become so bitter when it comes to the Chargers. Don Coryell would be appalled and saddened by the attitude of many Aztec fans towards his OTHER team. Both the Aztecs AND the Chargers were Don Coryell's teams. He loved and supported both. Too bad Aztec fans can't realize that. When the Chargers made it to the Super Bowl almost everyone in San Diego felt great. It was just like when the Padres made it to the World Series. You can't get that kind of good feeling from a convention center. The Chargers (and Padres, if they ever get their act together) can unify people in town that otherwise have little in common. The Chargers are SAN DIEGO's team. It's an issue of civic pride and good feelings. Frankly, the Aztecs cannot provide that since a majority of people in town have not attended school there and have no connection to it. But you guys go on hating the Chargers and perpetuating the Little Brother syndrome. The Chargers leaving San Diego will NOT be a good thing for the city. That's why EVERY city that lost an NFL team did anything and everything they could to get one back. If the Chargers leave, we're never getting one back because the NFL hates San Diego. They LOVE L.A. and see San Diego as that better looking, smarter little brother. He's a nuisance. Like I said, Don Coryell would be both appalled and saddened by most of your attitudes towards the Chargers. Agree, haters gonna hate.
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Post by standiego on Dec 16, 2014 8:00:35 GMT -8
Please show how if San Diego loses the Chargers it solves the Aztecs problems . Being in the MW , recruiting / DEVELOPING QB's, it only sidelines the real issues a higher quality team that can only say it is a success by getting into the MW Championship game and the G5 game and MONEY for the AD and football . If anything shows the B12 that San Diego is NOT a football county and why bother . Rocky uses the Q to recruit guys that see themselves as someday playing on the same field in the NFL . Charger fans will either drive up to LA for some games or watch on TV , it does Not mean they are going to watch a G5 school play . The stadium is not the key to winning or drawing fans it is the team on the field .
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Post by Den60 on Dec 16, 2014 8:08:45 GMT -8
I would hate to see the chargers leave. But I would be hard pressed to vote for a stadium paid for by the fans and non-fans in SD, for a multi-billion dollar league to use. As for the other team having a goodly number of fans here; if I had a $150 ticket and had watch a poor effort or could sell it for $300 and watch at home-------I'd take the $150 profit and stay home without parking and high food/drink prices. I could have a six pack for the price of one stadium beer or eat costco hotdogs and a drink for $1.50. 60/40 they move. Just for the record, any taxes used to fund a new stadium would come from an increase in hotel taxes, not an increase of taxes for the citizens of the city (unless they book a hotel room).
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Dec 16, 2014 8:13:50 GMT -8
Some of the quotes from these articles are brutal. "It felt like an away game. To me we have 16 away games this whole season. That's due to I mean, I would say the lack of not winning... fans just not coming out in support. But I know we have true diehard loyal fans that if they could afford to come to the game they would," said Chargers Defensive End Cory Luiget. Yikes, not a great quote and not a way to endear yourself to the community. "Wish there were more Broncos fans, uh, less Bronco fans obviously, I mean (there were) a lot more than you'd like to have at home," said head coach Mike McCoy. I would have to think that this sentiment runs through the organization if the HC and player are saying it out loud to the press. This story, passed along by U-T San Diego columnist Kevin Acee, sums up the dichotomy: San Diego port commission chairman Bob Nelson was speaking at a recent ribbon-cutting when a passing motorist yelled: “I have an idea: Build us a new stadium.” Nelson, after a pause for effect, responded: “Tell Mr. Spanos to pay for it.” Susie Spanos, wife of the Chargers president and CEO, happened to be in the front row. Well looks like the port commission is not on the side of the Chargers.
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Post by Den60 on Dec 16, 2014 8:17:28 GMT -8
Go ahead and dislike the ownership and/or disapprove of the proposed financing, but if you're a native San Diegan (let alone a sports fan) and wish the Chargers would move, knowing we'll likely never get another NFL team in most of our lifetimes, that's just idiotic. I agree. While my interest in the Chargers (and football in general) has waned over the years losing a major sports franchise would be sad. San Diego is the 8th largest city in the US (and 5th largest county) and we already don't have an NHL or NBA franchise. The funny thing about this is if they do move from San Diego you will quickly see a move to try to attract another team here. Ironically, that could be the Raiders. Right now the Chargers and the NFL have committed $400M to the building of a new stadium here in San Diego. If there is no NFL franchise here that money is taken off the table. As for how this affects the Aztecs it would force them into a decision of having to fund and build their own stadium at a time when their athletic department can't afford such a commitment.
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Post by rebar619 on Dec 16, 2014 8:19:05 GMT -8
Go ahead and dislike the ownership and/or disapprove of the proposed financing, but if you're a native San Diegan (let alone a sports fan) and wish the Chargers would move, knowing we'll likely never get another NFL team in most of our lifetimes, that's just idiotic. Don't care about the NFL or the Chargers; only SDSU matters to me. Then you would fall into the idiotic category.
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Post by SD Johnny on Dec 16, 2014 8:23:09 GMT -8
Don't care about the NFL or the Chargers; only SDSU matters to me. Then you would fall into the idiotic category. Why is that?
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Post by rebar619 on Dec 16, 2014 8:28:25 GMT -8
You know, it's really kind of pathetic the way that Aztec fans have become so bitter when it comes to the Chargers. Don Coryell would be appalled and saddened by the attitude of many Aztec fans towards his OTHER team. Both the Aztecs AND the Chargers were Don Coryell's teams. He loved and supported both. Too bad Aztec fans can't realize that. When the Chargers made it to the Super Bowl almost everyone in San Diego felt great. It was just like when the Padres made it to the World Series. You can't get that kind of good feeling from a convention center. The Chargers (and Padres, if they ever get their act together) can unify people in town that otherwise have little in common. The Chargers are SAN DIEGO's team. It's an issue of civic pride and good feelings. Frankly, the Aztecs cannot provide that since a majority of people in town have not attended school there and have no connection to it. But you guys go on hating the Chargers and perpetuating the Little Brother syndrome. The Chargers leaving San Diego will NOT be a good thing for the city. That's why EVERY city that lost an NFL team did anything and everything they could to get one back. If the Chargers leave, we're never getting one back because the NFL hates San Diego. They LOVE L.A. and see San Diego as that better looking, smarter little brother. He's a nuisance. Like I said, Don Coryell would be both appalled and saddened by most of your attitudes towards the Chargers. Well said APE. As a native of the 619 I am astonished by some of the statements I read on this board. Rooting for the Chargers to leave because of some misplaced idea that it will benefit the Aztecs is disgusting. As I have said before, San Diego should be more like Seattle and less like ABQ. There is no better venue for the city to win a championship than with the Chargers. MLB has no balance to small markets and the Aztecs have no chance to win the National Championship in FB in the next 20 years. The MBB team would be next up, and that is even a crap shoot. The bottom line is that a new stadium for San Diego is a community issue. Hearing my fellow Aztecs root against San Diego is sad.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 8:28:45 GMT -8
Some of the quotes from these articles are brutal. "It felt like an away game. To me we have 16 away games this whole season. That's due to I mean, I would say the lack of not winning... fans just not coming out in support. But I know we have true diehard loyal fans that if they could afford to come to the game they would," said Chargers Defensive End Cory Luiget. Yikes, not a great quote and not a way to endear yourself to the community. "Wish there were more Broncos fans, uh, less Bronco fans obviously, I mean (there were) a lot more than you'd like to have at home," said head coach Mike McCoy. I would have to think that this sentiment runs through the organization if the HC and player are saying it out loud to the press. This story, passed along by U-T San Diego columnist Kevin Acee, sums up the dichotomy: San Diego port commission chairman Bob Nelson was speaking at a recent ribbon-cutting when a passing motorist yelled: “I have an idea: Build us a new stadium.” Nelson, after a pause for effect, responded: “Tell Mr. Spanos to pay for it.” Susie Spanos, wife of the Chargers president and CEO, happened to be in the front row. Well looks like the port commission is not on the side of the Chargers. They're just bitter because they got caught doing an end run around the democratic process. The Port is in cahoots with another group of billionaires that want tax money to support their businesses; downtown hotel owners. Truth be told, the billionaire hotel owners could just as easily fund a convention center expansion as the chargers could fund a stadium. I wonder why they don't receive the same opprobrium from the faux populists in this forum and elsewhere that the Spanos' receive?
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Post by zollner on Dec 16, 2014 8:35:13 GMT -8
I would hate to see the chargers leave. But I would be hard pressed to vote for a stadium paid for by the fans and non-fans in SD, for a multi-billion dollar league to use. As for the other team having a goodly number of fans here; if I had a $150 ticket and had watch a poor effort or could sell it for $300 and watch at home-------I'd take the $150 profit and stay home without parking and high food/drink prices. I could have a six pack for the price of one stadium beer or eat costco hotdogs and a drink for $1.50. 60/40 they move. Just for the record, any taxes used to fund a new stadium would come from an increase in hotel taxes, not an increase of taxes for the citizens of the city (unless they book a hotel room). If I'm not mistaken didn't the hotel owners try and fund the convention center expansion the same way? Didn't the courts rule that it was a tax and had to be put before a public vote? In addition the tax payers would be on the hook for millions in infrastructure costs which would come directly from the tax payers. Why don't the Goofuses pay for it themselves, they are the ones who will get the majority of the profits, the rest of the profits go to the hotel owners. Please show all of us where a city paid for the cost of a new stadium and the city made money. If there were profits to be made from new stadiums why aren't the venture capitalist jumping all over this? Why are only the citizens of the cities asked to pay the costs?
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Post by TheSanDiegan on Dec 16, 2014 8:48:13 GMT -8
We're the 8th-largest city in the country, and the 2nd-largest city in the state with the world's 8th-largest economy. To claim we're not an "NFL town" is disingenuous at best.
Some poeple here - at least those with ties/loyalty to the city as opposed to just the campus - need to expand their civic pride beyond the Mesa.
That being said, spuck the Fanos family.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 8:48:47 GMT -8
Just for the record, any taxes used to fund a new stadium would come from an increase in hotel taxes, not an increase of taxes for the citizens of the city (unless they book a hotel room). If I'm not mistaken didn't the hotel owners try and fund the convention center expansion the same way? Didn't the courts rule that it was a tax and had to be put before a public vote? In addition the tax payers would be on the hook for millions in infrastructure costs which would come directly from the tax payers. Why don't the Goofuses pay for it themselves, they are the ones who will get the majority of the profits, the rest of the profits go to the hotel owners. Please show all of us where a city paid for the cost of a new stadium and the city made money. If there were profits to be made from new stadiums why aren't the venture capitalist jumping all over this? Why are only the citizens of the cities asked to pay the costs? Accidental "like" Look. the question is "Do we, San Diego need a stadium?" As an Aztec football fan I should think the answer for you would be yes. The city currently owns and operates a stadium that host's an NFL and a college team. If you think the city needs a stadium and we already own a stadium, it is incumbent upon the city to keep it's facilities, its INFRASTRUCTURE, in good working order. Anyone that has look at the condition of the stadium analytically understands that it is in such a state of disrepair, that bringing it up to modern standards is financially imprudent. The correct course of action is to replace it.
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