|
|
Post by matteosandiego on Nov 26, 2014 22:08:43 GMT -8
Tough game to lose tonight.
4 in a row will keep that annoying uofA chant going for a while.
The turnovers were sickening.
The free throws were bad.
Some of the veterans really struggled tonight where they shouldnt have.
But while some here may want to call out individual players, the coach or complain about the program (?), realize that our Aztecs made a big step this week and an even bigger one tonight.
This is a bitter pill to swallow tonight-but our guys all never gave up and will be better for it. I mean Kell with that crazy and 1 on the three pointer? And Shep with another? These guys dont quit and for that-you HAVE to respect and just move ahead knowing SDSU can make a deep tournament run.
UofA is real good. Their little guards struggled with our athleticism at first but Hollis-Jefferson and Stanley really brought a lot of intensity to even things out.
Trey Kell and Zabo are the real deal. Cant wait to see them grow each game!
I wished we couldve seen Pope for a few more minutes early 2nd half. And not sure why Chol was used sparingly as well.
Either way, get mad team. We hopefully move up big time im the rankings at least top 10.
|
|
|
|
Post by Aztec Since 88 on Nov 26, 2014 22:25:14 GMT -8
We can play with anyone it is just a matter of learning to play under control on offense. We make too many plays, where the players are trying to make a play and get out of control, which creates bad shots and unforced turnovers. Also, we do give up offense rebounds, which is giving extra possessions to the opponent. I hate losing games, but that is where growth comes from and the staff can get after players to correct the little mistakes in their game.
The game is slowing down for Kell and Zabo and their confidence is growing. Others will get some opportunity with our upcoming opponents and they become more comfortable. We will be fine by MWC play, and I look forward to watching this team improve and make a run in March.
|
|
|
|
Post by matteosandiego on Nov 26, 2014 22:32:38 GMT -8
Great loints about Kell and Zabo as the game slowing for them.
Not having that PG controlling the offense so other guys settle in is tough, but these two will grow thru conference play.
Its going to be a fun year.
Just got to get this taste out of our mouths quick.
|
|
dougp
Bench Warmer
Posts: 60
|
Post by dougp on Nov 27, 2014 7:34:58 GMT -8
14 turnovers and 54% FT shooting will never get it done against a good team. Arizona was beatable, but we self destructed.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 7:41:56 GMT -8
And rebounds
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 7:47:41 GMT -8
Beat on the boards, TOs, and FTs. Played hard though. We're a tough out.
|
|
|
|
Post by sdsu2000 on Nov 27, 2014 7:49:31 GMT -8
I'm more convinced now about a great conference season and a deep run. A lot of unforced turnovers, a couple bad inbound plays, bad free throw shooting, no Shrigley, Pope not even close to playing anywhere near his potential, and every game Kell plays he gets better with more confidence. Not too many teams are going to beat us after a few months of experience.
|
|
|
|
Post by northcountymike on Nov 27, 2014 11:29:19 GMT -8
No more moral victories (those are for the football team). Perhaps it's just an example of a greater team beating a great team, but I'm getting tired of outplaying Arizona for 35 minutes, only to come up short in the end. I won't go so far to say it's coaching, and who knows, maybe it's just a case of a better team winning (?). However, we just can't seem to close it out against them. Like others have said, rebounding and free throws are key. I think anyone's delusional if they don't mention free throws as a fatal flaw. I know someone mentioned earlier in another thread that we all know we just "aren't a good free throw shooting team" as if that makes it ok to be horrible from the line.
|
|
|
|
Post by legkick on Nov 27, 2014 12:48:25 GMT -8
I think anyone's delusional if they don't mention free throws as a fatal flaw. You're not thinking; you're feeling. If you actually did an analysis of Aztec teams during Steve Fisher's tenure, you would find that free throw shooting is not a fatal flaw. Ironically, they actually won games by shooting free throws down the stretch at a much higher clip than they normally average. |
|
|
|
Post by craztec on Nov 27, 2014 13:17:16 GMT -8
I think anyone's delusional if they don't mention free throws as a fatal flaw. You're not thinking; you're feeling. If you actually did an analysis of Aztec teams during Steve Fisher's tenure, you would find that free throw shooting is not a fatal flaw. Ironically, they actually won games by shooting free throws down the stretch at a much higher clip than they normally average. It was a fatal flaw last night. 11 points left off the board. Man, that's free meat! Gotta work on putting those through the hoop! |
|
|
|
Post by Ambivalent_Fan on Nov 27, 2014 20:24:37 GMT -8
You forgot to mention assists...and defensive lapses...and...and...and...
It seems that no matter what my Aztecs do right...there will always be someone there to tell us what they did wrong...
...but those are the same people who will tell you that they are only speaking up because they have been a supporter since Smokey Gaines / Michael Cage...and haven't missed a game in 40 years...
Give me a break...our boys played their guts out against some of the best competition in the country and lost by two lousy points...no streaks broken...no worse for the wear...
I, for one (and I'm not alone), am proud to support a fantastic group of kids who represent their school and coaches well...
|
|
|
|
Post by sdsustoner on Nov 28, 2014 7:01:11 GMT -8
No more moral victories (those are for the football team). Perhaps it's just an example of a greater team beating a great team, but I'm getting tired of outplaying Arizona for 35 minutes, only to come up short in the end. I won't go so far to say it's coaching, and who knows, maybe it's just a case of a better team winning (?). However, we just can't seem to close it out against them. Like others have said, rebounding and free throws are key. I think anyone's delusional if they don't mention free throws as a fatal flaw. I know someone mentioned earlier in another thread that we all know we just "aren't a good free throw shooting team" as if that makes it ok to be horrible from the line. I thnk it's a head thing We made some terrible TO's the last five minutes of the game. Unforced errors including the two inbound pass plays in a row that got me into my classic profanity-laced rant scaring my dog. |
|
|
|
Post by legkick on Nov 28, 2014 7:18:11 GMT -8
It was a fatal flaw last night. 11 points left off the board. Man, that's free meat! Gotta work on putting those through the hoop! No, it was not. Read Ziegler's analysis in today's UT, which further discredits this phony argument. No college team hits 100% of their free throws, and that's what your argument implies. The true fatal flaws in the game were (a) rebounding and (b) points off turnovers. Seriously, to EVERYONE complaining about free throws - STOP EMOTING AND LOOK IT UP. Their free throw shooting does NOT lose any statistically significant number of games for them. The results over the last five years plus or so of Fisher's tenure do NOT correlate low free throw percentages with losing. On the contrary, despite being moderately substandard compared to D1 averages over that time frame, the Aztecs win games because of clutch free throw shooting protecting leads. They wouldn't be at 124 straight under five minutes without it. |
|
|
|
Post by NCAztec82 on Nov 28, 2014 7:26:42 GMT -8
It was a fatal flaw last night. 11 points left off the board. Man, that's free meat! Gotta work on putting those through the hoop! No, it was not. Read Ziegler's analysis in today's UT, which further discredits this phony argument. No college team hits 100% of their free throws, and that's what your argument implies. The true fatal flaws in the game were (a) rebounding and (b) points off turnovers. Seriously, to EVERYONE complaining about free throws - STOP EMOTING AND LOOK IT UP. Their free throw shooting does NOT lose any statistically significant number of games for them. The results over the last five years plus or so of Fisher's tenure do NOT correlate low free throw percentages with losing. On the contrary, despite being moderately substandard compared to D1 averages over that time frame, the Aztecs win games because of clutch free throw shooting protecting leads. They wouldn't be at 124 straight under five minutes without it. "statistically significant" lol So maybe that's craztec's point. Why we lost. Not doing what we usually do. Making FT's changes the flow of the game, not to mention the scoreboard. I won't argue the point about TO's (we had 14!). Just saying. |
|
|
|
Post by legkick on Nov 28, 2014 8:07:45 GMT -8
"statistically significant" lol So maybe that's craztec's point. Why we lost. Not doing what we usually do. Making FT's changes the flow of the game, not to mention the scoreboard. I won't argue the point about TO's (we had 14!). Just saying. It's a bad point. We don't usually shoot free throws well, so what - no amount of whining about it or stomping one's feet and insisting it makes a difference changes the fact that it actually hasn't. Making three less than average did not change the flow of the game. If you watched the game, what really changed the flow was Dakarai Allen failing to inbound the ball properly two times in a row; it is debatable whether Kell had some responsibility in that as well (or Fisher for having Allen inbound the ball). Read Ziegler's post. The Aztecs were only as close as they were at the end due to desperation threes by Kell and Shepard. They blew the game earlier on rebounds and points off turnovers, NOT free throws. |
|
|
|
Post by NCAztec82 on Nov 28, 2014 8:26:58 GMT -8
"statistically significant" lol So maybe that's craztec's point. Why we lost. Not doing what we usually do. Making FT's changes the flow of the game, not to mention the scoreboard. I won't argue the point about TO's (we had 14!). Just saying. It's a bad point. We don't usually shoot free throws well, so what - no amount of whining about it or stomping one's feet and insisting it makes a difference changes the fact that it actually hasn't. Making three less than average did not change the flow of the game. If you watched the game, what really changed the flow was Dakarai Allen failing to inbound the ball properly two times in a row; it is debatable whether Kell had some responsibility in that as well (or Fisher for having Allen inbound the ball). Read Ziegler's post. The Aztecs were only as close as they were at the end due to desperation threes by Kell and Shepard. They blew the game earlier on rebounds and points off turnovers, NOT free throws. No dispute on this: we blew the game. I also think the Free Throws percentage probably wasn't the fatal flaw, but we did miss a lot of them. I read the Zeigler article and it pretty much answers my questions. In hindsight, we were lucky to beat the spread. |
|
|
|
Post by matteosandiego on Nov 28, 2014 8:37:15 GMT -8
"statistically significant" lol So maybe that's craztec's point. Why we lost. Not doing what we usually do. Making FT's changes the flow of the game, not to mention the scoreboard. I won't argue the point about TO's (we had 14!). Just saying. It's a bad point. We don't usually shoot free throws well, so what - no amount of whining about it or stomping one's feet and insisting it makes a difference changes the fact that it actually hasn't. Making three less than average did not change the flow of the game. If you watched the game, what really changed the flow was Dakarai Allen failing to inbound the ball properly two times in a row; it is debatable whether Kell had some responsibility in that as well (or Fisher for having Allen inbound the ball). Read Ziegler's post. The Aztecs were only as close as they were at the end due to desperation threes by Kell and Shepard. They blew the game earlier on rebounds and points off turnovers, NOT free throws. I agree the free throws have NOT been a consistant factor in our success/failure. In big games its usually the first thing we notice however because the games are THAT close. As for The inbounds plays i do put that a little on coach. Dakarai is not usually in that situation and Kell had Stanley the longer athlete draped over him. There was no help option and Kell couldnt shake him. Then for a 2nd time coach had them do it again? Lastly the 2nd most frustrating aspect besides the turnovers was the Stanley Johnson factor. Look, i know these teams respect each other, these coaches respect each other, these fan bases respect each other....but for our Aztecs we let a freshman punk us. Hes an NBA player yes, eventually. But thats two years in a row that we allow a freshman to just come in and establish himself as the alpha dog on the court!?? I know our team has high character guys and i love that. BUT we need a little nastyness in our group. That Stanley needed a nice elbow to the ribs or knee to the leg to send a message. I know i know...many dont want to hear that. But you cant keep letting freshman dictate a game so much. No matter how good they are, we need to play wayyyyyy more physical and make sure that kid calms down. |
|
|
|
Post by northcountymike on Nov 28, 2014 12:01:06 GMT -8
It was a fatal flaw last night. 11 points left off the board. Man, that's free meat! Gotta work on putting those through the hoop! No, it was not. Read Ziegler's analysis in today's UT, which further discredits this phony argument. No college team hits 100% of their free throws, and that's what your argument implies. The true fatal flaws in the game were (a) rebounding and (b) points off turnovers. Seriously, to EVERYONE complaining about free throws - STOP EMOTING AND LOOK IT UP. Their free throw shooting does NOT lose any statistically significant number of games for them. The results over the last five years plus or so of Fisher's tenure do NOT correlate low free throw percentages with losing. On the contrary, despite being moderately substandard compared to D1 averages over that time frame, the Aztecs win games because of clutch free throw shooting protecting leads. They wouldn't be at 124 straight under five minutes without it. I wouldn't say that we lost the game solely because of our poor FT shooting, but I will say that it obviously didn't help. And, if we had hit a few more (just like if we had a few less turnovers), maybe the score ends up differently. I'm harping on the free throws because regardless of if we have had good games in the past shooting FT or bad ones, it never seems consistent. To me, hitting a free throw should be easier than inbounding a ball to Trey Kell. It's not necessarily a gimme, but it certainly isn't Stanley Johnson running around harassing you, trying to force a mistake. I certainly don't expect any college or pro team for that matter to hit 100% of their FTs, but dang, is 80% or even 75% too much to ask? There is no way to "correlate low free throw percentages with losing" I don't think. Does it show up in the box score after each game? Example: "The Aztecs had a chance to take the lead with 2:00 left to play, but missed 4 consecutive free throws." Or "Spencer: 3/4, 6 pts, 4 reb, 2 blocks, 1/4 free throws during last 5 minutes of game." The results over the last five years indicate a stunningly low number of losses anyway and I doubt that we won most of those games during that stretch just because we hit our free throws. And, I'm tired of the argument, "well, we just aren't that good at them anyway." That's still no excuse. Maybe if we make more of them, we give ourselves an even bigger lead/cushion so that the other team can't get right back in it by making a single shot. |
|
