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Post by laaztec on Nov 22, 2014 8:43:27 GMT -8
espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:11905164It will happen and when it does it will offer the MWC greater access to the playoff. Since SDSU's chances for getting into a P5 conference are slim this is what we all need to root for. Lets hope it goes to 16 teams eventually.
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Post by myk13 on Nov 22, 2014 8:58:20 GMT -8
they need 8....winner of the P5 and then 3 wildcards (which will most likely be 3 SEC teams)
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Post by standiego on Nov 22, 2014 9:05:03 GMT -8
No surprise here . as Florida State slips in the playoff picture . The talk will be how to expand to 8 teams or more . that means it goes from 3 play off games to 7 games. What bowl games get changes or eliminated.? Most important to G5 schools is will it get more money from the playoffs to the G5 schools ? Also May not mean the B12 expands . Can we also be realist what G5 team is going to beat a top 20 P5 school as the divide between P5 and G5 gets wider . ?
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 22, 2014 9:30:21 GMT -8
My plan for this would be to include the conference champions for the P5 conferences, the highest ranking G5 team, and 2 wildcards.
My plan is highly unlikely to happen.
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Post by myownwords on Nov 22, 2014 10:26:48 GMT -8
My plan for this would be to include the conference champions for the P5 conferences, the highest ranking G5 team, and 2 wildcards. My plan is highly unlikely to happen. That may be all we can hope for, if we aren't drafted by the Big 12, etc. And TV revenue projections, will ultimately dictate your idea as dream or reality.
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Post by hoobs on Nov 22, 2014 10:48:46 GMT -8
My plan for this would be to include the conference champions for the P5 conferences, the highest ranking G5 team, and 2 wildcards. My plan is highly unlikely to happen. Would be my choice as well. Added bonus that the P5 would require a conference championship game for each conference... thus accelerating B12 expansion. Would be a great time for the Aztecs to have a breakout season next year.
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Nov 22, 2014 10:54:31 GMT -8
My plan for this would be to include the conference champions for the P5 conferences, the highest ranking G5 team, and 2 wildcards. My plan is highly unlikely to happen. Mine as well but the G5 better get it in writing before supporting that course of action. Sent from my Admiral Mark 01 Telegraph machine via Sputnik with dial-up
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Nov 22, 2014 10:54:56 GMT -8
My plan for this would be to include the conference champions for the P5 conferences, the highest ranking G5 team, and 2 wildcards. My plan is highly unlikely to happen. Would be my choice as well. Added bonus that the P5 would require a conference championship game for each conference... thus accelerating B12 expansion. Would be a great time for the Aztecs to have a breakout season next year. Absolutely Sent from my Admiral Mark 01 Telegraph machine via Sputnik with dial-up
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Post by standiego on Nov 22, 2014 11:09:36 GMT -8
Think you are being unrealistic if you think they will give an automatic bid to the G5 as part of the elite 8 . They are more likely to go with the top 8 or Conference winners and 3 . The name of the game is MONEY. Do you think they want a G5 team rated #24 deserve to jump into the top 8 ? Per USA Today - Current BASE Payouts for Playoffs-2014-15 season -4 teams - 3 Games Each P5 CONFERENCE gets 50 million - divided by the number of teams in the conference ( B12 -10 team B12 5 million , PAC with 12 4.17, 14 team Conference $3.57) G5 Conference gets 15 million - divided by number of teams- ( Aztecs $1.25) Some Other Revenue Each CONFERENCE gets $300,000 for each school that participates in a bowl and Meets APR. CONFERENCE gets 6 million for each team in the 4 team Playoffs- More Bids more money , less teams in the conference more money per school. CONFERENCE gets 4 million for non playoff Bowl Also Payouts each Conference gets for Bowl games they are connected to yearly - Rose Bowl PAC & BIG ... So do you think the P5 are going to let a G5 get auto bid ? Also if you follow the money, CONFERENCES get the money and if you have 10 teams , you get more money per school then if you have 12 or 14. So if the B12 can stay at 10 schools they earn more money for each school. If they go to 8 team playoffs will money double ? and will Bowl games get dropped or
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Nov 22, 2014 11:23:16 GMT -8
Think you are being unrealistic if you think they will give an automatic bid to the G5 as part of the elite 8 . They are more likely to go with the top 8 or Conference winners and 3 . The name of the game is MONEY. Do you think they want a G5 team rated #24 deserve to jump into the top 8 ? Per USA Today - Current BASE Payouts for Playoffs-2014-15 season -4 teams - 3 Games Each P5 CONFERENCE gets 50 million - divided by the number of teams in the conference ( B12 -10 team B12 5 million , PAC with 12 4.17, 14 team Conference $3.57) G5 Conference gets 15 million - divided by number of teams- ( Aztecs $1.25) Some Other Revenue Each CONFERENCE gets $300,000 for each school that participates in a bowl and Meets APR. CONFERENCE gets 6 million for each team in the 4 team Playoffs- More Bids more money , less teams in the conference more money per school. CONFERENCE gets 4 million for non playoff Bowl Also Payouts each Conference gets for Bowl games they are connected to yearly - Rose Bowl PAC & BIG ... So do you think the P5 are going to let a G5 get auto bid ? Also if you follow the money, CONFERENCES get the money and if you have 10 teams , you get more money per school then if you have 12 or 14. So if the B12 can stay at 10 schools they earn more money for each school. If they go to 8 team playoffs will money double ? and will Bowl games get dropped or Dude, you have to make the G5s support critical for approval. If that means through State Governors or federal action that threatens their tax status, credibility or monopoly. Leverage opportunities are out there, they better be working on the options. Sent from my Admiral Mark 01 Telegraph machine via Sputnik with dial-up
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 11:41:16 GMT -8
they need 8....winner of the P5 and then 3 wildcards (which will most likely be 3 SEC teams) Agreed. I think laaztec is being naive in thinking that the playoffs going to 8 will be of any benefit whatsoever to the MWC. Although that might theoretically offer the opportunity for an occasional "access buster" from among the G5, since the P5 have made it clear they're going to be less and less likely to schedule G5 schools, the chances of an undefeated G5 team being ranked in the top eight in the country are going to be slim and none. How 'bout 16? Yeah, I think if the number of playoff teams gets that large that the G5 would be obligated to give an automatic slot to at least the highest rated G5 school. Maybe even the two highest ranked. However, although the writing is on the wall that the playoffs will be expanded to eight very soon, I don't see an expansion to 16 for at least 20 years. In the meantime, the gap in quality between the haves and have-nots will continue to grow, with the possibility that the FBS have-nots just create a new tier of NCAA football because they realize they don't have the money to continue to try to compete. Bottom line IMO is the best case scenario for SDSU continues to be that we get to the point where we become as Utah and TCU did one of the two dominant football schools in the MWC and if we do, there is little doubt we will get an offer to join the B12 and then we won't have to worry what becomes of the G5.
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Post by TruAztec on Nov 22, 2014 11:59:01 GMT -8
At some point it will be a 24 team playoff with every conference having an automatic bid. Not in the next 10 years but one day it will if the NCAA holds together.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 12:02:49 GMT -8
At some point it will be a 24 team playoff with every conference having an automatic bid. Not in the next 10 years but one day it will if the NCAA holds together. Depends on how lucrative the playoff system proves to be. Money talks but are you assuming the 8 highest ranked would get a first-round bye?
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Post by TruAztec on Nov 22, 2014 12:06:02 GMT -8
At some point it will be a 24 team playoff with every conference having an automatic bid. Not in the next 10 years but one day it will if the NCAA holds together. Depends on how lucrative the playoff system proves to be. Money talks but are you assuming the 8 highest ranked would get a first-round bye? Yes.
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Post by myownwords on Nov 22, 2014 12:55:08 GMT -8
There will be exactly the number of playoff games as TV revenues dictate. Which is why MLB and the NFL continue to tweak the season and post-season schedules.
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Post by standiego on Nov 22, 2014 13:47:28 GMT -8
Bottom line they are going to expand to 8 teams as soon as they can figure it out ( 7 games on three weekends ) then see if expanding it makes more money, 16 teams is 15 games on 4 weekends. Maybe drop some bowl games that do not make the TV networks any money .P5 would be foolish not to leave it as the ratings decide who is in and who is out, so much easier . What ever school gets in gets in , no matter what the conference P5 or G5 . But make sure as it is now that G5 gets at least 1 Mid Major Bowl . So the G5 schools will get more money from the payoffs as they expand but far less then the P5 gets. Little chance of getting to the playoffs as the divide gets wider . Also as you can see Conferences get the money in the Playoffs Pay Out . So if your conference has fewer members you get a better /bigger slice of the MONEY pie . So unless they force the B12 to expand , doubt member schools would be in favor of expansion.
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Post by aardvark on Nov 22, 2014 14:19:40 GMT -8
No surprise here . as Florida State slips in the playoff picture . The talk will be how to expand to 8 teams or more . that means it goes from 3 play off games to 7 games. What bowl games get changes or eliminated.? Most important to G5 schools is will it get more money from the playoffs to the G5 schools ? Also May not mean the B12 expands . Can we also be realist what G5 team is going to beat a top 20 P5 school as the divide between P5 and G5 gets wider . ? JMO--If the playoffs go to 8 teams before the B12 expands, why would the B12 EVER expand? If there is some kind of stipulation stating that all P5 champions get into the playoff (which would probably be the case if the playoff field is expanded), would the other members of the P5 force the B12 to expand and have a conference championship game? That is the only way I can see the B12 expanding any time soon.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 14:21:42 GMT -8
aardvark, I think the answer to your question is yes.
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Post by standiego on Nov 22, 2014 14:54:09 GMT -8
All most of the P5 conferences care about is Getting More Money and getting more teams into the playoffs .that is how they get more money, that is the priority, SEC believes they should have as many teams as possible in the playoffs , so they are going to prefer the top rated 8 teams , because they are going to have 2 or 3 or .... . Do not see they are going to care about the B12 if SEC keeps putting more and more teams in . As of today there are NOT any set rules for the selection group .Nothing about Championships. Just the highest rated teams. It could change but But would guess ,1 thing they are Not going to give any free entry to a G5 school into the playoffs. They are going to force G5 schools to earn it in the rating , knowing that is not going to happen.
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Post by aardvark on Nov 22, 2014 18:13:00 GMT -8
aardvark, I think the answer to your question is yes. At least that answers ONE of my questions. Also, just heard the B12 commish on the radio broadcast of the Baylor/OK State game. He kept pushing the "We play everyone in the conference every year" card. He also didn't think that expanding to 8 teams would get rid of any controversy. I think there would be a lot less controversy if you expanded the playoff to 8 teams with all conference champions getting in. He was never actually asked about conference expansion, and it didn't sound like he was interested in it. I guess he doesn't have to worry about it. Yet.
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