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Post by dtay2004 on Nov 22, 2014 12:25:59 GMT -8
IF our talent level has improved, how do you explain our regressing---or at the very least stagnant--- results on the field? The combination of playing young players and missing a true P5 level QB has caused State to lose some games a more veteran team wouldn't have lost. Outside of the game VS Oregon State, SDSU looked like the better team on the field in all of their losses. Penalties and poor play execution have cost us games, that comes with the process of learning how to win. Having all of our difficult games on the road didn't help much either. Next years team shouldn't have these problems, will finally have a top tier QB and a favorable schedule.
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Post by myownwords on Nov 22, 2014 12:48:37 GMT -8
IF our talent level has improved, how do you explain our regressing---or at the very least stagnant--- results on the field? The combination of playing young players and missing a true P5 level QB has caused State to lose some games a more veteran team wouldn't have lost. Outside of the game VS Oregon State, SDSU looked like the better team on the field in all of their losses. Penalties and poor play execution have cost us games, that comes with the process of learning how to win. Having all of our difficult games on the road didn't help much either. Next years team shouldn't have these problems, will finally have a top tier QB and a favorable schedule. Okay, understood. I disagree, but that's what opinion boards are for, yes?
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Post by uwphoto on Nov 22, 2014 12:53:36 GMT -8
Yes I disagree with you Erik 100% eh. In all this rankings and mythical national championships we lose sight of the fact that college football is a sport that's played by college students who put a tremendous amount of time and energy into their sport. It's a brutal sport with injuries abounding and you have to play with those pains. The smaller bowl games are merely celebrations of football, these comments about rewarding mediocrity don't take into account the violence and sacrifice of the game. This is not a professional sport. If some of you have ever played college football, or college hockey, or college rugby you know the pounding you take the love of the sport. But some teams may go six and six because key players were injured or they were grossly over scheduled. The approach that the bowls must represent some sort of superior standard is about 20 years too late. Anyone who has played the sport or has had a sono nephew play can tell you that the rewards are few and the pains are many. Let the bowls in the NCAA set the standards. And you just sit back and watch the game.instead of pondering the merits of the bowl game just think of it as somebody's kid out there getting wined and dined and having an experience of a lifetime. That to me is more valuable than worrying about the mediocrity of the team and pontificating about the value of the bowl. Yes, and let's give every kid who plays youth sports a trophy just for participating. I'm sorry, but life doesn't work that way. In life there are winners and losers. This whole pat on the back and giving the kid a trophy just for participating thing is pathetic. Rewards must be earned. College football is about competition, not rewarding everyone just for participating. EVERY team has injuries. EVERY team has struggles to overcome. That doesn't mean that .500 teams should be Bowl eligible. I can't change the system, but I can criticize it when it rewards mediocrity. We've seen the system go from one extreme to the other. There needs to be a better balance. No 9-3 team should be left out, but no 6-6 team should be let in, either. It's not about participation, it's about rewarding achievement (and there is no way that you will ever convince me that a .500 record is an achievement worthy of reward). "Rewarding mediocrity".. like letting Kiss into the Rock n Roll hall of fame! haha
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Post by hoobs on Nov 22, 2014 12:59:54 GMT -8
Outstanding scenario. Good bowl, great for local fans, and we'd make $$$ instead of coming back from a road trip to ABQ or Hawaii in the red.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 13:19:25 GMT -8
Most boards have Aztecs in New Orleans bowl and Colorado State in Poinsettia.
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Post by dtay2004 on Nov 22, 2014 13:40:42 GMT -8
The combination of playing young players and missing a true P5 level QB has caused State to lose some games a more veteran team wouldn't have lost. Outside of the game VS Oregon State, SDSU looked like the better team on the field in all of their losses. Penalties and poor play execution have cost us games, that comes with the process of learning how to win. Having all of our difficult games on the road didn't help much either. Next years team shouldn't have these problems, will finally have a top tier QB and a favorable schedule. Okay, understood. I disagree, but that's what opinion boards are for, yes? Definitely. I think we agree on the "whats" we just disagree on the why's. We both agree the Talent isn't quite they're yet to compete with the top tier Schools, you just seem to place more blame on for coaches and the administration where I place more blame on the players not performing up to their lskill level week in and week out. Now before you say "Well isn't that the coaches job to bring the best out of these players" I would say yes that is his job but a coach can only do so much. For example, there was a 3rd down goal line play last night that Toledo drew up. QK had 3 different open receiving options to choose from, he just so happens to choose the hardest throw to make and over throws DJ which leads to a field goal. The coaches did everything right there, player just has to make the play.
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Post by aztecforlife29 on Nov 22, 2014 13:45:29 GMT -8
Most boards have Aztecs in New Orleans bowl and Colorado State in Poinsettia. CSU would be a steal for the poinsettia. Plus they travel incredibly well.
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Post by myownwords on Nov 22, 2014 14:11:21 GMT -8
Okay, understood. I disagree, but that's what opinion boards are for, yes? Definitely. I think we agree on the "whats" we just disagree on the why's. We both agree the Talent isn't quite they're yet to compete with the top tier Schools, you just seem to place more blame on for coaches and the administration where I place more blame on the players not performing up to their lskill level week in and week out. Now before you say "Well isn't that the coaches job to bring the best out of these players" I would say yes that is his job but a coach can only do so much. For example, there was a 3rd down goal line play last night that Toledo drew up. QK had 3 different open receiving options to choose from, he just so happens to choose the hardest throw to make and over throws DJ which leads to a field goal. The coaches did everything right there, player just has to make the play. My Cliff's Notes on our football program: 1) Hirshman and Sterk either are incapable of raising money for football, or are apathetic. 2) In my opinion, a program, which supposedly wants to be top tier, requires aggressive, outspoken presidents and ADs (specifically, see Boise and Louisville and TCU) to scoop up donations and enthusiasm and then spend and hire the right people to carry out that mission. We have none of that. This city--and students--are disbelievers and apathetic. 3) Rocky is not capable of attracting higher quality recruits (our rankings, in all the recruiting sources, continue to be in the mid to high seventies) 4) Rocky is not capable of taking a team to any higher than perhaps, second, maybe first, in a very lowly conference. If our recruits are better against some absolute standard, they are not better compared to the country. The last time we were close to being ranked in the polls, was at #27, in Hoke's second year. And that was after years of desolation. Rocky stumbled into the HC job and has simply maintained, sort of. But I strongly believe he has taken every bit of buzz out of the program. 5) No program of substance (that we know of) has EVER tried to hire Rocky away for an HC job--not even a lateral move, much less for a higher tiered program. Why is it that only New Mexico and SDSU are so smart? So, to me, this stasis, is slowly undermining everything most of us have craved for years, to the point that many here feel it's "just fine" and we really can't ask for more.
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Post by matteosandiego on Nov 22, 2014 14:15:17 GMT -8
Most boards have Aztecs in New Orleans bowl and Colorado State in Poinsettia. I heard the last Nola bowl was super fun! Id rather have that then another Poinsettia bowl game
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Post by hbaztec on Nov 22, 2014 14:19:41 GMT -8
I don't think any team should get into a Bowl at 6-6. The fact that some teams do get in to Bowl games with non-winning records just shows that there are too many bowls. The bottom tier Bowls are pointless. Tell that to the players. Eeeeooor. LMAO!!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 14:21:36 GMT -8
There is no worse cliché in the world then there are winners and losers in life. That only applies to games and games have artificial rules and time constraints. Equating youth participation trophies as the same as getting a bowl bid is beyond hyperbolic. But none of those youth participation guys goes out on the field with injuries that need surgery. In talking about winning and losing football bowls are business the decisions that are made are business decisions. In business you make successful decisions were not.
If one looks at life as winning and losing then you have missed the whole point of living. Living is growth growth as moments of failure to achieve in moments of success, but in the long run we're all mortal we die. From that standpoint if you're a win loss guy were all losers. I don't have that standpoint I am an inner life and I realized that life is a dynamic interplay of many issues. I hope you're not under the delusion that there is some kind of morality involved or ethical standards about college football. That would make bowl games some sort of measure of merit. Bowl games are exhibitions that's the way they started and except for the big money in the big bowls that's what they remain.
Competitions in games have traditionally involved societal values such as respect for your opponent playing to win and sportsmanship. The playing to win still applies but the rest barely does. For more important than who gets in a bowl game is a monstrously destructive ghetto influenced taunting and chest pounding. That sets an example of disrespect it sinks right to the roots of culture. To ignore that and to worry about the merit of getting in a bowl game at six and six is a proverbial swallowing camels and straining at gnats.
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Post by hbaztec on Nov 22, 2014 14:22:25 GMT -8
Outstanding scenario. Good bowl, great for local fans, and we'd make $$$ instead of coming back from a road trip to ABQ or Hawaii in the red. I will be going to that one.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 14:24:47 GMT -8
Most boards have Aztecs in New Orleans bowl and Colorado State in Poinsettia. True, but consider that the Poinsettia had its highest ever attendance with SDSU-Navy and read what Binkowski told Stephanie Loh.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 14:28:47 GMT -8
Most boards have Aztecs in New Orleans bowl and Colorado State in Poinsettia. CSU would be a steal for the poinsettia. Plus they travel incredibly well. Yeah but unless Marshall somehow gets into the top 25, if Boise wins out including beating UNR in the conference title game, the Broncos will likely be the Access Bowl participant and then the LV Bowl will take CSU.
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Post by myownwords on Nov 22, 2014 14:30:26 GMT -8
We need a crowd. We need the Poinsettia Bowl.
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Post by aztecvatar on Nov 22, 2014 14:35:26 GMT -8
it's like youth sports nowadays...every kid gets a trophy....let's have a round of applause for just participating!
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Post by myownwords on Nov 22, 2014 14:59:11 GMT -8
it's like youth sports nowadays...every kid gets a trophy....let's have a round of applause for just participating! Oh yes, and ban scoring. No need to hurt feelings.
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Nov 22, 2014 15:02:03 GMT -8
You two must be a blast at parties.
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Post by azteca on Nov 22, 2014 15:24:20 GMT -8
Leave it up to the usual select few in here to turn a positive defeat of an 8-2 team into a negative. But I guess that's just the way some people live their everyday lives. ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 15:29:29 GMT -8
(rofl)Hilarious somehow we have equated and proven beyond all doubt that youth participation trophys are the same as 6-6 bowl invites.
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