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Post by aztecsiggy on Oct 30, 2014 9:10:46 GMT -8
Erik the problem is that no one believes you when you say you think Rocky is a good coach but not a great coach. It just comes off as a backhanded way of putting him down. You and William have spent months on here trying to sow the seeds of discontent with Rocky. William was more subtle than you but do you really think everyone on this board was too stupid to realize what you two were trying to do? What the real purpose of Williams novel sized posts was? Then you guys stopped being subtle and were outright suggesting firing as a best course of action. Now you are in full backpedal mode because a poll here didn't go the way you thought it would. You mean the poll that went the exact opposite of the way they wanted by a landslide. I accept the view that the admins think Rocky isn't the guy to take us to the next level. It's very frustrating to have to read their view over and over and over. Plus it's never just a few sentences.
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Post by montyismyhomie on Oct 30, 2014 10:25:43 GMT -8
Erik the problem is that no one believes you when you say you think Rocky is a good coach but not a great coach. It just comes off as a backhanded way of putting him down. You and William have spent months on here trying to sow the seeds of discontent with Rocky. William was more subtle than you but do you really think everyone on this board was too stupid to realize what you two were trying to do? What the real purpose of Williams novel sized posts was? Then you guys stopped being subtle and were outright suggesting firing as a best course of action. Now you are in full backpedal mode because a poll here didn't go the way you thought it would. You say no one believes me when I say that I believe that Rocky is a good coach. So it's all black and white with you? No shades of grey? No nuance? The fact is I have NEVER said that Rocky was anything less than a good coach. Not once. Furthermore, when many of you were bitching and moaning about the hiring of Rocky Long to replace Brady Hoke I was one member of a small group that not only defended the hiring, but praised it. I was one of the first leaders of the Rocky Long bandwagon. What I find truly disturbing is the complete and total lack of acceptance of those who do not share the opinion that Rocky is the coach who can take us to the 10 win regular season mark with regularity (every other year or so, with no fewer than 8 regular season wins in between). When I say that I believe that Rocky is a good coach I genuinely mean it. That doesn't mean I think he's the best coach that SDSU can get, but he's definitely better than average. I'm sorry if some of you can't understand or accept that as an honest view, but it is a 100% honest statement when I make it. Once again, we know you are aaaaaaaalways right and you have aaaaaaalways backed the right coach at the right time. Your ability to analyze college football coaches is impressive and unassailable. And there was actually a legit discussion about sipe and QB issues going on until William went all crazy on Rocky again. If you and William weren't trolling these threads with your mile long posts you might be surprised how pleasant and reasonable the discussion might be.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 30, 2014 11:05:23 GMT -8
You say no one believes me when I say that I believe that Rocky is a good coach. So it's all black and white with you? No shades of grey? No nuance? The fact is I have NEVER said that Rocky was anything less than a good coach. Not once. Furthermore, when many of you were bitching and moaning about the hiring of Rocky Long to replace Brady Hoke I was one member of a small group that not only defended the hiring, but praised it. I was one of the first leaders of the Rocky Long bandwagon. What I find truly disturbing is the complete and total lack of acceptance of those who do not share the opinion that Rocky is the coach who can take us to the 10 win regular season mark with regularity (every other year or so, with no fewer than 8 regular season wins in between). When I say that I believe that Rocky is a good coach I genuinely mean it. That doesn't mean I think he's the best coach that SDSU can get, but he's definitely better than average. I'm sorry if some of you can't understand or accept that as an honest view, but it is a 100% honest statement when I make it. Once again, we know you are aaaaaaaalways right and you have aaaaaaalways backed the right coach at the right time. Your ability to analyze college football coaches is impressive and unassailable. You didn't even read my post, did you. You just took it as an opportunity to slam another Aztec fan. I never said I was right or you were wrong. I just pointed out that the majority around here lately is completely intolerant of dissent. Why do Aztec William and I post lengthy comments? Because we want them to be as well thought out, complete, and clear as possible. I find it kind of sad that fellow Aztec fans have become so hostile and have improperly questioned my honesty on this. I have never, ever said that Rocky is anything less than a good coach, but some of you refuse to accept that fact. That says a lot more about you than it does about me. Look, again, we're supposed to be on the same side. There should be room in this fanbase for differing opinions and views.
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Post by fanhood on Oct 30, 2014 11:26:21 GMT -8
What I find hilarious is random fans belief that they can evaluate coaching chops, evaluate talent, determine who we should recruit, etc. when most have never even played the game past the High School level.
13 years ago I was a decent High School football player. I knew the game reasonably well, could have probably coordinated a Pop Warner offense and defense, and could tell when teams were well disciplined, well coached, had solid schemes, etc.
Now.....after 13 years of simply watching from my television and at games on Game Day, I am completely unqualified to be a coach, evaluator of talent, or even a coordinator at the Frosh/JV/Varsity level. I have been away from the game and have focused my efforts, attention and development on other things.
So, when many here act as if they are authorities on the game, or think they can evaluate the coaches I laugh. The demographic on this board is mostly baby boomer males and men in their 30s to 40s that have been removed from the game and have no flipping idea what they are talking about. I include myself in this category. Thus, the only way we can evaluate Rocky and his staff is Wins and Losses. And guess what? 25 wins in three years! 3 Bowl Games! One MW Championship! Game over, end of story.
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Post by montyismyhomie on Oct 30, 2014 11:28:29 GMT -8
Once again, we know you are aaaaaaaalways right and you have aaaaaaalways backed the right coach at the right time. Your ability to analyze college football coaches is impressive and unassailable. You didn't even read my post, did you. You just took it as an opportunity to slam another Aztec fan. I never said I was right or you were wrong. I just pointed out that the majority around here lately is completely intolerant of dissent. Why do Aztec William and I post lengthy comments? Because we want them to be as well thought out, complete, and clear as possible. I find it kind of sad that fellow Aztec fans have become so hostile and have improperly questioned my honesty on this. I have never, ever said that Rocky is anything less than a good coach, but some of you refuse to accept that fact. That says a lot more about you than it does about me. Look, again, we're supposed to be on the same side. There should be room in this fanbase for differing opinions and views. Playing the victim card wont help you. just because you put a disclaimer on your posts now that you think Rocky is a good coach doesn't mean your months of advocating his firing have gone away or that you don't still think he should be fired. It's quite simple, the pushback you are getting now comes from months of buildup. Why you are surprised about this is beyond me.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 30, 2014 13:12:11 GMT -8
You didn't even read my post, did you. You just took it as an opportunity to slam another Aztec fan. I never said I was right or you were wrong. I just pointed out that the majority around here lately is completely intolerant of dissent. Why do Aztec William and I post lengthy comments? Because we want them to be as well thought out, complete, and clear as possible. I find it kind of sad that fellow Aztec fans have become so hostile and have improperly questioned my honesty on this. I have never, ever said that Rocky is anything less than a good coach, but some of you refuse to accept that fact. That says a lot more about you than it does about me. Look, again, we're supposed to be on the same side. There should be room in this fanbase for differing opinions and views. Playing the victim card wont help you. just because you put a disclaimer on your posts now that you think Rocky is a good coach doesn't mean your months of advocating his firing have gone away or that you don't still think he should be fired. It's quite simple, the pushback you are getting now comes from months of buildup. Why you are surprised about this is beyond me. OK, let's all take a step back from the edge and remember that we are all Aztec fans and we're supposed to be on the same side. That is why I have ALWAYS stated that I believe that Rocky is a good coach. I have always supported Rocky, but where it was unquestioned support in his first two seasons, it became qualified support when the team failed to progress after that point. I have always said that I would prefer Rocky over Chuck Long, Tom Craft, post 96 Tollner, or half the Coaches in the MWC. So let's not be hostile. Let's not be adversarial. We are all Aztec fans. We're not always going to agree, but we can at least disagree respectfully and politely. If you can't do that then maybe you need to reassess why you're here. Aztec athletics need our support, but if some of us are wasting time and energy being angry and hostile towards each other then we aren't exactly being good fans, are we? Like I said, we can agree to respectfully disagree on some key points, but we should never attack fellow Aztec fans.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 15:24:23 GMT -8
YOuu should not bring up logic Erik as it is not your strong suit when it comes to football and Rocky Long . Your posts are full of fallacious reasoning and highly subjective statements stated as fact.
What I find truly disturbing is the complete and total lack of acceptance of those who do not share the opinion that Rocky is the coach who can take us to the 10 win regular season mark with regularity (every other year or so, with no fewer than 8 regular season wins in between). To the best of my knowledge no one has verbatim made this statement other than you, and no one has verbatim refuted it. This is an example of fallacious reasoning. You can't make up the criteria and then say you find it disturbing that people don't agree with it when in fact it has never been discussed as the personification of what constitutes a good coach at San Diego State.
In your statement you make no mention of who exactly we play out of conference and that makes a big difference. When you play Ohio State, or Michigan, or Penn State at their home there's a lot of coaches you can't beat them. Rocky has beaten Boise State twice in a row once at home where they are 84 and seven in the last decade. Whoever that doesn't count also the fact that he's won a championship or share thereof doesn't.
Then you – your statement about how terrible the Mountain West conferences is, what makes you eat and all be-all judge of any conference. Here again you fall into subjectivity your opinions re: objective evaluations of the state of thinf. You state them not as opinions but as Prima acie evidence to support your case. He asked that should be undefeated because they play Nick terrible horrible conference. Nevertheless in the last few years we have had teams rated in the top 20. We beat a top 16 team at home Boise State.
I would argue that the quarterback situation has been a disaster, and if it continues into next year coach long is derailing himself. As for your comments about New Mexico here we go again with your subjective opinions your opinions constitute what is good and what is solid, you state that in the same manner that I would say water is made up of two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen. Nobody has had a winning record at New Mexico after Rocky Long. Almost no one had a winning record before that. I've seen New Mexico's facilities for football they improved a couple years ago but they are still way down on the ladder. You make it sound as if building a strong program in a school like San Diego State is just oh so easy. Why even some guy from the East Coast than just blowing in here on his name alone could reach new heights.
However there is no evidence of that. Outside of Boise State you tell me yes cool of modest means like San Diego State that has arisen from the ranks to be consistently among the top teams in the nation. Well of course Boise only went so far, even mighty Miami quickly fell on hard times.. Now TCU was once a powerhouse then fell down and now has slowly risen again but my friend it still doesn't win 10 games every year. Not to mention the fact that there just aren't a bunch of schools out there doing the same thing in fact almost no one is doing it. Rising from obscurity to be a powerhouse I mean everyone's entitled to their opinion I've been on military forums were they say Napoleon was grossly, overrated Robert E Lee was one of the worst generals in American history. I have also read people say that Shakespeare was little more than a hack compared to Marlowe. However, in none of those cases have I read evidence that would convince me or the vast majority of other people of the veracity of those claims.
So naturally I don't accept some of your comments such as what constitutes a good team and a solid team and how Rocky never had the experience at a good school ,or however you phrase it twisted in your direction. UCLA was very good when he was there. Oregon State had a good game when Rocky was there. You excuse me for being rude when I say that your evaluations concerning all these issues borders on the ludicrous. They certainly aren't in line with any other people in the coaching fraternity that I know and I talked to some on a daily basis. They certainly don't always agree with me either but seriously when you criticize Rocky for his performance at New Mexico, well I can only hope that Tommy Bawden ends up there, I want to see them make it a top 25 team.
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Post by zurac315 on Oct 30, 2014 15:39:19 GMT -8
He's not talking about people on this board specifically. He was talking about fans in general. I'll bet he is!
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Post by zurac315 on Oct 30, 2014 15:40:17 GMT -8
your taking the quote out of context completely, he was responding to a question about peoples expectations of the football team being as good as the basketball team. It was not complaining about fans ex nihilo. By way almost every Coach I know feels the same way. The only thing about Rocky is if you ask him he will tell you in that respect he is like Coach Gilbert. He is being brutally honest. I believe he mentioned "social media." That's what this is, isn't it?
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Oct 30, 2014 16:05:38 GMT -8
YOuu should not bring up logic Erik as it is not your strong suit when it comes to football and Rocky Long . Your posts are full of fallacious reasoning and highly subjective statements stated as fact.
What I find truly disturbing is the complete and total lack of acceptance of those who do not share the opinion that Rocky is the coach who can take us to the 10 win regular season mark with regularity (every other year or so, with no fewer than 8 regular season wins in between). To the best of my knowledge no one has verbatim made this statement other than you, and no one has verbatim refuted it. This is an example of fallacious reasoning. You can't make up the criteria and then say you find it disturbing that people don't agree with it when in fact it has never been discussed as the personification of what constitutes a good coach at San Diego State.
In your statement you make no mention of who exactly we play out of conference and that makes a big difference. When you play Ohio State, or Michigan, or Penn State at their home there's a lot of coaches you can't beat them. Rocky has beaten Boise State twice in a row once at home where they are 84 and seven in the last decade. Whoever that doesn't count also the fact that he's won a championship or share thereof doesn't.
Then you – your statement about how terrible the Mountain West conferences is, what makes you eat and all be-all judge of any conference. Here again you fall into subjectivity your opinions re: objective evaluations of the state of thinf. You state them not as opinions but as Prima acie evidence to support your case. He asked that should be undefeated because they play Nick terrible horrible conference. Nevertheless in the last few years we have had teams rated in the top 20. We beat a top 16 team at home Boise State.
I would argue that the quarterback situation has been a disaster, and if it continues into next year coach long is derailing himself. As for your comments about New Mexico here we go again with your subjective opinions your opinions constitute what is good and what is solid, you state that in the same manner that I would say water is made up of two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen. Nobody has had a winning record at New Mexico after Rocky Long. Almost no one had a winning record before that. I've seen New Mexico's facilities for football they improved a couple years ago but they are still way down on the ladder. You make it sound as if building a strong program in a school like San Diego State is just oh so easy. Why even some guy from the East Coast than just blowing in here on his name alone could reach new heights.
However there is no evidence of that. Outside of Boise State you tell me yes cool of modest means like San Diego State that has arisen from the ranks to be consistently among the top teams in the nation. Well of course Boise only went so far, even mighty Miami quickly fell on hard times.. Now TCU was once a powerhouse then fell down and now has slowly risen again but my friend it still doesn't win 10 games every year. Not to mention the fact that there just aren't a bunch of schools out there doing the same thing in fact almost no one is doing it. Rising from obscurity to be a powerhouse I mean everyone's entitled to their opinion I've been on military forums were they say Napoleon was grossly, overrated Robert E Lee was one of the worst generals in American history. I have also read people say that Shakespeare was little more than a hack compared to Marlowe. However, in none of those cases have I read evidence that would convince me or the vast majority of other people of the veracity of those claims.
So naturally I don't accept some of your comments such as what constitutes a good team and a solid team and how Rocky never had the experience at a good school ,or however you phrase it twisted in your direction. UCLA was very good when he was there. Oregon State had a good game when Rocky was there. You excuse me for being rude when I say that your evaluations concerning all these issues borders on the ludicrous. They certainly aren't in line with any other people in the coaching fraternity that I know and I talked to some on a daily basis. They certainly don't always agree with me either but seriously when you criticize Rocky for his performance at New Mexico, well I can only hope that Tommy Bawden ends up there, I want to see them make it a top 25 team.
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Post by SDAztec on Oct 30, 2014 16:13:25 GMT -8
K5James has his quality/professional Aztec site going well and needs a few more high quality posters! http:// .com/ Sent from my Admiral Mark 01 Telegraph machine via Sputnik with dial-up +28.... Some good quality topics and intelligent sports discussion with out the thead spamming, censorship and threatening Mod PM's.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 16:15:07 GMT -8
your taking the quote out of context completely, he was responding to a question about peoples expectations of the football team being as good as the basketball team. It was not complaining about fans ex nihilo. By way almost every Coach I know feels the same way. The only thing about Rocky is if you ask him he will tell you in that respect he is like Coach Gilbert. He is being brutally honest. I believe he mentioned "social media." That's what this is, isn't it? I like Rocky but c'mon! In all sincerity, maybe he should go back to being a DC where you receive only a fraction as much criticism when things don't go well. After all, he often said when Hoke was at SDSU how much fun he was having and I sure don't hear him saying so now that he's the head honcho.
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Post by gocoaztec on Oct 30, 2014 17:07:46 GMT -8
K5James has his quality/professional Aztec site going well and needs a few more high quality posters! http:// .com/ Sent from my Admiral Mark 01 Telegraph machine via Sputnik with dial-up +28.... Some good quality topics and intelligent sports discussion with out the thead spamming, censorship and threatening Mod PM's. K5James was one of the most immature posters here, which I believe got him banned. I hope that he has put the childish behavior behind him and runs a quality site. To his credit, he is knowledgeable about sports, particularly football. Go Aztecs!
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Post by AzTex on Oct 30, 2014 17:23:51 GMT -8
your taking the quote out of context completely, he was responding to a question about peoples expectations of the football team being as good as the basketball team. It was not complaining about fans ex nihilo. By way almost every Coach I know feels the same way. The only thing about Rocky is if you ask him he will tell you in that respect he is like Coach Gilbert. He is being brutally honest. I believe he mentioned "social media." That's what this is, isn't it? Based on where this thread, and others like it, it's more like "anti-social media."
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Post by SDAztec on Oct 30, 2014 17:59:31 GMT -8
+28.... Some good quality topics and intelligent sports discussion with out the thead spamming, censorship and threatening Mod PM's. K5James was one of the most immature posters here, which I believe got him banned. I hope that he has put the childish behavior behind him and runs a quality site. To his credit, he is knowledgeable about sports, particularly football. Go Aztecs! That maybe, I honesty don't know James as a poster, but the threads have been good so far and some pretty well known and respected posters have started to check in on the .com board.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 30, 2014 18:07:33 GMT -8
YOuu should not bring up logic Erik as it is not your strong suit when it comes to football and Rocky Long . Your posts are full of fallacious reasoning and highly subjective statements stated as fact.
In your statement you make no mention of who exactly we play out of conference and that makes a big difference. When you play Ohio State, or Michigan, or Penn State at their home there's a lot of coaches you can't beat them. Rocky has beaten Boise State twice in a row once at home where they are 84 and seven in the last decade. Whoever that doesn't count also the fact that he's won a championship or share thereof doesn't.
Your logic is failing you here. You mention Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State. We haven't played any of them in the last two years. This year we lost to a middling Oregon State team and a bad North Carolina team. We also lost in conference to a bad Fresno State team. Last year we struggled to beat some bad teams (needing OT to do it), and even lost to others (UNLV). We got blown out by an FCA team last year as well. This year we see that Rocky and his staff did not have a viable plan at QB, which cost us that Fresno game. Boise isn't what they used to be. After Utah, BYU, and TCU defected and were replaced by much lesser teams the conference that USED TO BE the best Non-BCS conference has become the WAC. And not even the WAC at its peak. To deny that this conference is bad is like denying that the sky is blue on a clear day. Not one of our teams could compete for even a 3rd place finish in most of the P5 conferences. Believe me, recognizing that fact doesn't make me happy. The MWC was so close to becoming a major conference (imagine a conference with Utah, BYU, TCU, Boise State, and San Diego State - that would have been a power conference), but money lured our best teams away. So we're stuck in a crap conference that can't draw flies at the Q. And who is responsible for the overall recruiting for the team? Rocky has been 100% in charge of recruiting for almost four years, and was a significant recruiting contributor for two years prior to that. This is his team. These are his players. So why don't we have a viable 2nd option at QB? It sure isn't your fault or mine. And if you look at Rocky's overall record he had middling results in a middling conference. He had losing records there more often than he had winning records, and he had a losing record overall - but the fact that he had those winning records there was, indeed, impressive. I have ALWAYS said so. Once again, we either have new people on this board who never knew, or we have people who choose to ignore the fact that I was one of Rocky's biggest supporters when almost no one supported his hiring here as HC. I defended the hire as a good one and the best option available that late in the hiring season. But none of Rocky's Rockettes acknowledge that. Some of those Rockettes were among those criticizing the hiring of Rocky as HC in the first place. Boise, Utah, TCU, Fresno - they've all done it. If they can, we can. Period. [/p]
[/quote] UCLA had ONE good year when Rocky was there (and that was only a 9 win regular season - good, but not great). Check the records of the teams that he was an assistant on. Not one of them won 10 games in the regular season. The facts contradict what you're trying to claim. Bottom line - Rocky has NEVER been part of a regular season 10 game winner as a player or as a coach. Never. He's never seen it done, he's never coached under greats. He is doing the best he can with what he knows, but his experience with dominant programs is completely lacking. Which makes the success that he's had all that much more admirable. He is a no nonsense kind of guy, an old school coach. This program needed that. And it will continue to have that until he chooses to retire or the team collapses for two years in a row. He IS of retirement age now. He could retire after next year. Or he could stick around for another four or five years. Who knows? What I do know is that his record against P5/BCS teams is bad (even against mediocre or lower level P5/BCS teams), and his record against the bottom half of our own conference isn't exactly impressive. Where he's done well is against the top half of our conference (which is certainly odd given our struggles against the bottom half of the conference). So what you've got with Rocky Long is a good, solid, but not great, coach who should be able to continue the 7-5, 8-4 type seasons at SDSU. That's not bad. It's a hell of a lot better than what we saw from 1997 through 2008. Unfortunately, that's not resonating with the local football fans. They aren't impressed, and they aren't buying in. That's a big problem for a problem consistently in the red financially. I can appreciate your passion on the subject, but your view is very one sided and ignores important facts that show the cracks in the foundation. This isn't black or white. Rocky isn't great or terrible. This situation is grey, and cannot be evaluated by an all or nothing type mentality. Rocky has done a good job, but he could have done a better job. Remember how his defense came out COMPLETELY unprepared in almost every game his first season here as HC? We got WAY behind in many of those games and had to make frantic comebacks. His defensive game plans and preparation for most of those games was pathetic. He clearly didn't have time to handle both the HC and DC duties as well as they could have been done if he were just HC and had a real DC focusing solely on that aspect of the game planning. He stubbornly refuses to hire a DC, which hurt us that year big time. He is not beyond reproach. He is not above criticism. He is not the best option available to us. He IS a good option, and he is the safest option available to us, and, most importantly, he ISN'T going anywhere any time in the next two years. I don't know why Rocky's biggest supporters feel the need to squash any criticism of the job he's done. He isn't perfect, and he's made some huge mistakes. He deserves criticism, like almost every other coach in football. From the first time anyone ever suggested that Rocky may not be able to lead this team to the next level his ardent supporters jumped on anyone questioning or doubting him. Look, yet again, I have to wonder why some of you are doing your best to turn fellow Aztec fans against the program. What is there to be gained by attacking the very people you should be supporting? Even if we have differing opinions we all agree that we want the Aztecs to win as many games as possible by as wide a margin as possible. Right?
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Oct 30, 2014 18:22:11 GMT -8
Turning fans against the program? What?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 20:20:59 GMT -8
This is a fun thread. Anything new happening here?
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Post by montyismyhomie on Oct 30, 2014 20:33:17 GMT -8
pretty sure we played Ojai-o state last year no? And I think you missed the point there Erik.
And I'd wager to guess Rockys first couple years with the defense weren't perfect because he didn't have the personnel for a 3-3-5 not because he couldn't handle both HC and DC duties. Cause if that's your argument, it's not a very good one based on how his defense is doing right now.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 30, 2014 20:44:37 GMT -8
pretty sure we played Ojai-o state last year no? And I think you missed the point there Erik. And I'd wager to guess Rockys first couple years with the defense weren't perfect because he didn't have the personnel for a 3-3-5 not because he couldn't handle both HC and DC duties. Cause if that's your argument, it's not a very good one based on how his defense is doing right now. He didn't have the personnel for the 3-3-5 after 2 years as DC??? How was it that he did a better job as DC before he was HC? Because he wasn't dividing his time between two full time jobs. Come on, it's just common sense - he's not a young man and asking a 65 year old to do two full time jobs at the same time is asking for more than is reasonable. You clearly don't remember his first year as HC when his defenses came out of the gate almost every game looking like a high school unit. They couldn't stop anyone until after halftime, then Rocky made adjustments and the offense had to scramble to catch up. The point is Rocky is not beyond criticism. The fact that there is a rather vocal group that is unwilling to accept any criticism of Rocky is unfortunate. Rocky has done some things very well, he's also done some things poorly. It's not out of line to point out the things that have been done poorly. Expectations are infinitely higher than they were in 2008. What would have seemed great in 2009 is now disappointing. Next year will tell the tale. Rocky supposedly has a great QB group, and everyone on the team will be HIS guys. If he gets the team to 10 regular season wins next year I will gladly eat crow. That's the next level. That would be true progress after 5 straight 7 or 8 win regular seasons. I expect 8 wins in the regular season next year so anything more than that will be great news. But in the meantime it's not out of line to point out what we see as deficiencies in the performance of the team or coaching staff. Just like it wouldn't just be appropriate to congratulate Rocky on a win at Nevada and celebrate a great accomplishment, that kind of celebration would almost be necessary.
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