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Post by zurac315 on Oct 19, 2014 15:03:12 GMT -8
Rocky long said that Hawaii had the toughest defense that we have played so far this year. We had a decent crowd and we won. Be glad that we didn't lose like Texas A&M did (59 - 0). Decent crowd and a win. So, of course, people complain. Is this a good team? I'd say it's about average. Let's see where we end up.
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Post by eeaztec on Oct 19, 2014 15:07:39 GMT -8
Rocky long said that Hawaii had the toughest defense that we have played so far this year. We had a decent crowd and we won. Be glad that we didn't lose like Texas A&M did (59 - 0). Decent crowd and a win. So, of course, people complain. Is this a good team? I'd say it's about average. Let's see where we end up. But I want a national championship and a P5 invite NAOW!
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 19, 2014 15:17:04 GMT -8
Rocky long said that Hawaii had the toughest defense that we have played so far this year. We had a decent crowd and we won. Be glad that we didn't lose like Texas A&M did (59 - 0). Decent crowd and a win. So, of course, people complain. Is this a good team? I'd say it's about average. Let's see where we end up. But I want a national championship and a P5 invite NAOW! Nobody expects a National Championship in football for SDSU. But a Top 25 finish sure would be nice. Especially if it became the norm, rather than a once in a lifetime occurrence. A Top 25 finish would likely fasttrack us for a P5 invite. One step at a time. All I would like to see first is a 9 win regular season, followed by a 10 win regular season. Once we get there we're on the brink of that Top 25 finish (and 10 wins may just get us there). One step (forward) at a time.
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Post by montyismyhomie on Oct 19, 2014 15:18:18 GMT -8
What you said: ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ What you meant: Let's not be patient. We have been patient. This is year SIX of this coaching philosophy and plan. Year FOUR under Rocky Long. It's not like we've only given this thing a year or two. There are tangible signs of improvement which you choose to ignore. Your refusal to acknowledge them does not make them any less real.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 19, 2014 15:28:14 GMT -8
We have been patient. This is year SIX of this coaching philosophy and plan. Year FOUR under Rocky Long. It's not like we've only given this thing a year or two. There are tangible signs of improvement which you choose to ignore. Your refusal to acknowledge them does not make them any less real. They are no more real than those tangible signs we saw in 1998, which led into a senior loaded team in 1999 which was supposed to win the conference. They ended up winning, what? 5 games? Again, recruiting and future player performance predictions are a crapshoot. They end up being about 50% right at best. It's like the NFL draft. Sometimes players pan out, sometimes they fall flat on their faces - there's no way to know for sure what will happen in a future season other than the year to year progression (or regression) that you see on the field. I'm not calling for Rocky to be fired. That's not going to happen, so what I am saying is that he needs to hear from the fans that the regression of this team on the field over the last two years has been noticed and we aren't happy about it. It's funny, every single person who has talked about Hawaii's only TD coming on that Hail Mary near the end of the first half seems to have forgotten that that pass was just the end of a drive where Hawaii was moving the ball at will and showed phenomenal clock management. They started on their own 34 and got down to the Aztec 39 in less than a minute of game time. Even if that pass was batted away they'd still have had at least one more play (that was only 3rd down). That was a great TD DRIVE for Hawaii, not just one lucky fluke pass play. You talk about other people not seeing things, that drive is something that a lot of people seem to have either forgotten or just ignored in the first place. Hawaii shouldn't have been allowed to go almost 50 yards in less than a minute like that. They got a bunch of easy first downs on pass plays to the sidelines that should have been better defended.
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Post by montyismyhomie on Oct 19, 2014 15:43:07 GMT -8
There are tangible signs of improvement which you choose to ignore. Your refusal to acknowledge them does not make them any less real. They are no more real than those tangible signs we saw in 1998, which led into a senior loaded team in 1999 which was supposed to win the conference. They ended up winning, what? 5 games? Again, recruiting and future player performance predictions are a crapshoot. They end up being about 50% right at best. It's like the NFL draft. Sometimes players pan out, sometimes they fall flat on their faces - there's no way to know for sure what will happen in a future season other than the year to year progression (or regression) that you see on the field. I'm not calling for Rocky to be fired. That's not going to happen, so what I am saying is that he needs to hear from the fans that the regression of this team on the field over the last two years has been noticed and we aren't happy about it. It's funny, every single person who has talked about Hawaii's only TD coming on that Hail Mary near the end of the first half seems to have forgotten that that pass was just the end of a drive where Hawaii was moving the ball at will and showed phenomenal clock management. They started on their own 34 and got down to the Aztec 39 in less than a minute of game time. Even if that pass was batted away they'd still have had at least one more play (that was only 3rd down). That was a great TD DRIVE for Hawaii, not just one lucky fluke pass play. You talk about other people not seeing things, that drive is something that a lot of people seem to have either forgotten or just ignored in the first place. Hawaii shouldn't have been allowed to go almost 50 yards in less than a minute like that. They got a bunch of easy first downs on pass plays to the sidelines that should have been better defended. So based on your logic why bother changing coaches ever? Anytime we start showing promise we are bound to repeat the fate of that team that disappointed you. Guess what, new coaches are a crapshoot too...
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 19, 2014 15:48:08 GMT -8
They are no more real than those tangible signs we saw in 1998, which led into a senior loaded team in 1999 which was supposed to win the conference. They ended up winning, what? 5 games? Again, recruiting and future player performance predictions are a crapshoot. They end up being about 50% right at best. It's like the NFL draft. Sometimes players pan out, sometimes they fall flat on their faces - there's no way to know for sure what will happen in a future season other than the year to year progression (or regression) that you see on the field. I'm not calling for Rocky to be fired. That's not going to happen, so what I am saying is that he needs to hear from the fans that the regression of this team on the field over the last two years has been noticed and we aren't happy about it. It's funny, every single person who has talked about Hawaii's only TD coming on that Hail Mary near the end of the first half seems to have forgotten that that pass was just the end of a drive where Hawaii was moving the ball at will and showed phenomenal clock management. They started on their own 34 and got down to the Aztec 39 in less than a minute of game time. Even if that pass was batted away they'd still have had at least one more play (that was only 3rd down). That was a great TD DRIVE for Hawaii, not just one lucky fluke pass play. You talk about other people not seeing things, that drive is something that a lot of people seem to have either forgotten or just ignored in the first place. Hawaii shouldn't have been allowed to go almost 50 yards in less than a minute like that. They got a bunch of easy first downs on pass plays to the sidelines that should have been better defended. So based on your logic why bother changing coaches ever? Anytime we start showing promise we are bound to repeat the fate of that team that disappointed you. Guess what, new coaches are a crapshoot too... Absolutely. But we aren't changing coaches for another 2 to 4 years, so that's not the issue at this point. Right now we need THIS coaching staff to better address the issues that have needed fixing for the last couple of years.
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Post by rednblk on Oct 19, 2014 15:48:13 GMT -8
After watching the Rams highlights, it would be nice to add some razzle dazzle to our game. I don't see Rocky as being that type of a coach, but if pulled off, it would definitely add some excitement and maybe bring some attention to our team. Think Boise vs Oklahoma
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Post by AztecWilliam on Oct 19, 2014 17:30:13 GMT -8
Exactly. A win is a win, but last night's game against a weak opponent was not a genuine wipe out. (For an example of that, I offer the Alabama/A&M score from yesterday. That score was Tide 59, A&M -0. Now THAT's domination. And A&M, which entered yesterday's game at 4-2, was not total chopped liver. Why we were not able to beat Hawai'i by 3 or more TDs is a fact that we should ponder. AzWm It's really not as big a deal as you make it. Individual game scores fade from average fans memories relatively quickly. The record and postseason accomplishments are far more important. The message board fans are the ones who hyper analyze these things. Good points. Unpleasant memories can be wiped away by newer, more positive one. I am sure that Miami of FLA fans soon forgot that lowly SDSU nearly beat them in the Hurricanes' close call against the Aztec in 1990. But, then, the Hurricanes had a lot of good things happening during that season, plus a solid bowl game (46-3 Cotton Bowl over Texas.) It's that second part that we are lacking. The Potato Bowl last year was great, but let's not forget that we beat Buffalo, not Penn State. And I'm still waiting for that impressive win over a P5 school. I don't think we have give enough thought to how much local attendance would increase if only we could win a few of those games against P5 schools. I know some will disagree with me, but getting some Ws playing against schools such as North Carolina and Oregon State would grab the attention of many fans who at present ignore Aztec football. Most fans nationally don't even know the difference between the Mountain West and the Big West. All they ask I; Have you beaten any real football teams lately? Buy "real football teams," they do NOT mean Hawaii or New Mexico. Or even Fresno. AzWm
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Post by AztecWilliam on Oct 19, 2014 17:47:42 GMT -8
At this point it isn't about Rocky anymore. It's about Aztec football not coming close to reaching it's potential. It could be Rocky, Brady Hoke, or anyone else - this program continues to underachieve. That is disappointing. Your consistently adamant position that this team should be much better is absurd. Most of us thought before the season that given the minimal experience of so many of our starters and our lack of depth at QB that this would be basically a repeat of 2013, which despite injuries to four key starters it is shaping up to be. So I just totally fail to understand your weekly need to begin threads of complaint. I think that your usually perspicacious powers of observation have failed you in this case. I don't think it's a matter of saying that SDSU football should be better this year. (I, personally, did not have particularly high expectations.) I think the issue here is that the program, though a lot better than during the long drought of the 2000s, has not progressed nearly enough to earn us more than a brief footnote (if that) when the history of the 2014 season is written. It seems to me that the program is where it deserves to be given all the facts of the situation. The most relevant facts are these. First, the program was allowed to deteriorate for decades, losing us almost all the loyal fan base than showed up for games prior to 1980. Second, given the late departure of Brady Hoke, we were more or less forced to make do with a head coach who, while knowledgeable and experienced, has for whatever reason or reasons not elevated the program beyond where it was under Hoke. Don't misunderstand; I'm sure that many coaches we might have hired in early 2011 could and would have done a worse job. I.e., somebody like Chuck Long. But maybe a different coach could do even more. We must think in terms of finding that coach. If we are okay with winning 8 a year, then we can relax. But, if we believe that SDSU football has at least decent chance to become another Boise, then perhaps shaky wins over New Mexico and Hawai'i should concern us. AzWm
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Post by eeaztec on Oct 19, 2014 17:53:35 GMT -8
It's really not as big a deal as you make it. Individual game scores fade from average fans memories relatively quickly. The record and postseason accomplishments are far more important. The message board fans are the ones who hyper analyze these things. Good points. Unpleasant memories can be wiped away by newer, more positive one. I am sure that Miami of FLA fans soon forgot that lowly SDSU nearly beat them in the Hurricanes' close call against the Aztec in 1990. But, then, the Hurricanes had a lot of good things happening during that season, plus a solid bowl game (46-3 Cotton Bowl over Texas.) It's that second part that we are lacking. The Potato Bowl last year was great, but let's not forget that we beat Buffalo, not Penn State. And I'm still waiting for that impressive win over a P5 school. I don't think we have give enough thought to how much local attendance would increase if only we could win a few of those games against P5 schools. I know some will disagree with me, but getting some Ws playing against schools such as North Carolina and Oregon State would grab the attention of many fans who at present ignore Aztec football. Most fans nationally don't even know the difference between the Mountain West and the Big West. All they ask I; Have you beaten any real football teams lately? Buy "real football teams," they do NOT mean Hawaii or New Mexico. Or even Fresno. AzWm My dad is a WVU alum living in North Carolina for the past 20 years. He knows who Hawaii, Boise State, Fresno State, and San Diego State are, the other front rangers are...well, forgettable. Without my infusion of Aztec knowledge, he also knows that Marshall Faulk came from SDSU.
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Post by aztecsiggy on Oct 19, 2014 18:14:27 GMT -8
Don't use logic here. It left a long time ago. Heaven forbid. A win on the scoreboard A win against the spread A win at the turnstiles A win and a win and a....
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Post by eeaztec on Oct 19, 2014 19:05:03 GMT -8
A win on the scoreboard A win against the spread A win at the turnstiles A win and a win and a.... ...and a loss....because we didn't win big enough
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Post by AzTex on Oct 19, 2014 19:13:47 GMT -8
A lot of people are stating that Hawaii got lucky on that hail mary near the end of the first half. What a lot of people are forgetting was that they were moving the ball at will on that drive, and they had more time even if that pass were deflected. They earned that TD because of how well they ran that drive and how efficient they were in their clock management. The fact that the Aztecs seemed to have no answer for them on that drive is one of the things that disappointed me. Funny, but I saw that series a lot differently than you did. Hawaii did get lucky. They were not moving the ball at will. They only gained 27 yards. Our defense made them use a full milnute of game clock plus all 3 of their time outs. Yes, they still would have had time for one play, but they were still 39 yards away. Not many teams have a 39 yard play in their play book with only 5 seconds remaining. I think the defense did an great job and Hawaii did get very lucky in order to make that reception. Edit: On further review of the play, the receiver pushed Malik Smith out of the way before the ball arrived. An obvious offensive pass interference, not called.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Oct 19, 2014 19:20:17 GMT -8
Rocky long said that Hawaii had the toughest defense that we have played so far this year. We had a decent crowd and we won. Be glad that we didn't lose like Texas A&M did (59 - 0). Decent crowd and a win. So, of course, people complain. Is this a good team? I'd say it's about average. Let's see where we end up. But I want a national championship and a P5 invite NAOW!
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Post by fisherville on Oct 19, 2014 19:21:51 GMT -8
The problem is if they play like they did against Hawaii at home, they have no chance @ Boise or @ Nevada
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Post by TruAztec on Oct 19, 2014 19:36:18 GMT -8
The problem is if they play like they did against Hawaii at home, they have no chance @ Boise or @ Nevada and Rocky agrees with you. See his quotes: www.goaztecs.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/101914aab.htmlI just think he also sees they can and will be better. Definitely like that!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 19:39:20 GMT -8
The problem is if they play like they did against Hawaii at home, they have no chance @ Boise or @ Nevada I assume you mean that only on offense? And then only the passing game. So we need to pass better to beat Nevada and Boise....is that what you mean?
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Post by eeaztec on Oct 19, 2014 19:47:25 GMT -8
The problem is if they play like they did against Hawaii at home, they have no chance @ Boise or @ Nevada I assume you mean that only on offense? And then only the passing game. So we need to pass better to beat Nevada and Boise....is that what you mean? Please allow me....yes...better passing. Our defense is stout, our rushing is near unstoppable.
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Post by hbaztec on Oct 20, 2014 6:36:03 GMT -8
We won!!! PantherGuy must be PISSED. Didn't we win by 2 scores and ran out the clock inside the Bows' fifteen yard line to end the game? Thanks for LMAO this AM.
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