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Post by 84aztec96 on Oct 19, 2014 11:42:16 GMT -8
I've been watching the Aztecs since the early 80's. The last few Aztec teams have been the toughest in 30 years (consistent from season to season). Offensively and defensively. I think San Diego State needs this type of coach.
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Post by csfoster on Oct 19, 2014 11:56:26 GMT -8
I've been watching the Aztecs since the early 80's. The last few Aztec teams have been the toughest in 30 years (consistent from season to season). Offensively and defensively. I think San Diego State needs this type of coach. Seconded!
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Post by AztecWilliam on Oct 19, 2014 12:12:30 GMT -8
Nevada is 114th in total defense,Ezell will be back Quinn looks like he has got his form back,and our defense is playing light out. Yeah you got to trash the team ohh if we only had Terry. WE just rolled up 285 yds on the ground against a very tough run defense. How many yards will they get against Nevada? a Lot. What game are you watching ?Nevada lost to CSU at home. Wile we have aweek off they will be in Honolulu with a pissed of Hawaii. Trashing the team? Well, I do not intend to do that. This year's players are fighting hard and, for the most part, intelligently and effectively. And I think the coaching staff is doing a good job, as well. But reality is reality. My overall reaction to last night's game is that there were high's and lows against an opponent that should not have come within three TDs of the Aztecs. The first quarter was dominated by SDSU, leading me to believe that this was going to be a laugher. However, even that first quarter contained a hint of some of the things that need addressing. I refer to the fact that we could not punch in that second TD. Instead, we had to settle for a FG. It was what followed the first quarter that concerns me. We were ahead of Hawai'i in first downs by something like 7-1 at the end of the first quarter. In the next two quarters, the Warriors logged FD after FD and we had trouble moving the ball. Too many cases of getting near the Hawai'i goal but not being able to score the TD. In one case we missed an easy field goal and later on had to settle for a FG . When Hawai'i ran a KO back for a TD (thankfully erased by a penalty), I was starting to think, "Oh, no, not another Cal Poly game!" It all ended well as the Aztecs seemed to catch fire late (or did the Warriors start to get worn out?). An honest evaluation of Aztec football as of 2014 is that the program has survived its near death experience of 1999 through 2009 but has not made quite as much progress as we had hoped. SDSU is capable of finishing near the top of what is probably the 7th best DI conference, but certainly has not given reason to believe that we can dominate the conference. What is uppermost in my thoughts is the question; What are the chances that we will be invited to join a P5 conference? Basically, that means; Will we be able to join the Big-12? I ask that second question since there are only two conferences that make any sense. the Pac-12 and the Big-12. The other P5 conferences are simply too far East (among other things) to be interested in SDSU). Since there are very definite reasons to assume that we will continue to get the cold shoulder from the Pac-12, we have to think of the Big-12. I agree, to a degree, with those who say that won/loss records are somewhat secondary when a candidate for conference membership is being evaluated. On the other hand, if we were as successful on the gridiron as were Utah and TCU when they ascended to the upper echelons of college football, our chances would certainly be enhanced. In short, we need to win 10 or more games a year to be taken seriously. As much as I respect Rocky Long, I suspect that the 10-wins-per-season status is probably going to come, if at all, after Rocky has retired. In the meantime, let's face facts; shaky 10 point wins over the likes of New Mexico and Hawaii indicate that we are not nearly ready to join the elite of college football. Need I add that the Nevada game will be crucial? AzWm PS: I was pleased to see a pretty darned good crown in the stadium for a change. When it looked like, just maybe, Hawai'i might pull an upset, I said to myself, "Oh, no, not another collapse in front of a good crowd!" Fortunately, that did not happed. On the other hand, I would have preferred that the large crowd could have enjoyed an Aztec lead on the order of 21-0 or 28-0 at half time.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 12:30:42 GMT -8
I have said my goal is to be the dominant team in this conference about ten times. I do not share your enthusiasm for a new conference until we can do that. If we had a slightly better QB who stayed healthy we would easily have been 7-1 at this point.This regression is in your head. The defense is the best we have had in years and most of it is coming back. The oline is the best we have had in over a decade and all but one are coming back. Look at BYU when it lost its QB.If you lose two NFL level players and an all conference linebacker it is going to hurt yur team. Next year we have a four star QB,three great runningbacks,(maybe four in Penny) the best oline in the conference. Average at wrs,Yes unless someone really steps up,but their catching the ball now at least. Next year Heyward,Sanchez, Barrett,Dakota Turner,and several young studs return. Munson,Fely, Fred M, the whole defensive back field plus Babaiash on the 15th ranked scoring defense in the nation and the 29th ranked in total defense return. Good special teams if not great. Yes we got banged up early but if you think we are regressing well there is no talking sense to you.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Oct 19, 2014 12:46:02 GMT -8
This kind of discussion immediately after a win, which included a thoroughly dominating defensive performance by a young D, and a beat-down and physical running game by a young o-line and RBs, is becoming extremely off-putting. On the other hand, we were one Hawai'i penalty (I refer to the H. kickoff return for a TD) away from leading by only 3 points. I do not discount the many good things we saw in the game. It's the inability to finish, the failure to score the TD in the red zone and having to settle for a FG that worries me. We were forced to kick three times and made the FG twice. Erase the six points from those FGs and add three TDs, which I think we should have scored, and the final score is 35-10. 35-10 is the kind of score that, in my view, should result when we play a bad team at home. And Hawai'i is assuredly a bad team. Yes, it's easy sometimes to ignore the good and concentrate on the bad. (Although that's just exactly what coaches do and should do!) But let's not exaggerate where we are and what we have done beginning with the outstanding 2010 season. It's four years later and the program, while in some ways solidifying the gains of that great turnaround year, has not taken the next step. The next step in my mind would be an outright MWC championship, a bowl win and a Top-25 ranking. I read a lot about how great we are going to be next year because our players are still young and we have a wonderful QB redshirting this season, etc. I certainly hope all that comes to pass. Let's just not get ahead of ourselves. The next five games will indicate whether program has improved, has stayed about the same, or has regressed a bit. AzWm
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Post by AztecWilliam on Oct 19, 2014 12:53:05 GMT -8
I was there - as I am for every home game. And I watched a team that once again showcased a very good runner, a mediocre quarterback and receivers who dropped more balls than they caught. I also saw a defense that couldn't make the first tackle, gave up some ridiculous third down conversions because of the inability of the first person to even make a stop, and a lucky break on a 102 yd runback. By the end of the game, the Hawaii defense was gassed. Hawaii was NOT the reason there was a 35+K crowd last night. A "RENEWED" SDSU football team wasn't the reason either. You gotta be a little critical of games where the opponent is so weak that a game still looks competitive. We'll see what happens the next time a little stiffer competition shows up on the other side of the ball. We're past the halfway mark in the season. We shouldn't still be talking about missed assignments and arm-tackling. But they won, and I'm glad for that. There are still many troubling areas that remain however. Given a tougher opponent, the way they played last night would've lost them a game. Exactly. A win is a win, but last night's game against a weak opponent was not a genuine wipe out. (For an example of that, I offer the Alabama/A&M score from yesterday. That score was Tide 59, A&M -0. Now THAT's domination. And A&M, which entered yesterday's game at 4-2, was not total chopped liver. Why we were not able to beat Hawai'i by 3 or more TDs is a fact that we should ponder. AzWm
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Post by eeaztec on Oct 19, 2014 12:56:15 GMT -8
The line was what 8.5 points? So in the eyes of the betting public, we did better than we were supposed to.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Oct 19, 2014 13:12:22 GMT -8
The line was what 8.5 points? So in the eyes of the betting public, we did better than we were supposed to. Maybe, but somehow that does not lesson my concerns. Or, to put it another way, if SDSU is legitimately only 8-10 points better than an awful Hawai'i team, in a game played on our turf, then we are in trouble. AzWm
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Post by eeaztec on Oct 19, 2014 13:14:42 GMT -8
You do realize this is the same team that took us to overtime at their place last season....
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Post by montyismyhomie on Oct 19, 2014 13:14:44 GMT -8
The line was what 8.5 points? So in the eyes of the betting public, we did better than we were supposed to. Don't use logic here. It left a long time ago.
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Post by eeaztec on Oct 19, 2014 13:16:15 GMT -8
The line was what 8.5 points? So in the eyes of the betting public, we did better than we were supposed to. Don't use logic here. It left a long time ago. Heaven forbid.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 19, 2014 13:17:32 GMT -8
I have said my goal is to be the dominant team in this conference about ten times. I do not share your enthusiasm for a new conference until we can do that. If we had a slightly better QB who stayed healthy we would easily have been 7-1 at this point.This regression is in your head. The defense is the best we have had in years and most of it is coming back. The oline is the best we have had in over a decade and all but one are coming back. Look at BYU when it lost its QB.If you lose two NFL level players and an all conference linebacker it is going to hurt yur team. Next year we have a four star QB,three great runningbacks,(maybe four in Penny) the best oline in the conference. Average at wrs,Yes unless someone really steps up,but their catching the ball now at least. Next year Heyward,Sanchez, Barrett,Dakota Turner,and several young studs return. Munson,Fely, Fred M, the whole defensive back field plus Babaiash on the 15th ranked scoring defense in the nation and the 29th ranked in total defense return. Good special teams if not great. You may very well be right, but we heard almost the exact same things about the 1999 team which was loaded with Seniors and was supposed to seriously contend for the conference title. That team tanked. So you'll have to understand our skepticism. Until we actually see those predictions turned into corresponding results on the field then it's nothing more than educated guesswork (like recruiting and the NFL draft, and we know how accurate those player predictions are). The results on the field HAVE regressed in 2013 and 2014. That's just a fact. We're struggling to beat bad teams and we still can't beat the good ones. I know there are scattered signs here and there indicating that MAYBE we've got a great year coming up, but until that great year comes to pass all we can do is look at the trends on the field - and those trends show more struggles than a team in the fifth year of a turnaround should have.
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Post by montyismyhomie on Oct 19, 2014 13:26:12 GMT -8
I was there - as I am for every home game. And I watched a team that once again showcased a very good runner, a mediocre quarterback and receivers who dropped more balls than they caught. I also saw a defense that couldn't make the first tackle, gave up some ridiculous third down conversions because of the inability of the first person to even make a stop, and a lucky break on a 102 yd runback. By the end of the game, the Hawaii defense was gassed. Hawaii was NOT the reason there was a 35+K crowd last night. A "RENEWED" SDSU football team wasn't the reason either. You gotta be a little critical of games where the opponent is so weak that a game still looks competitive. We'll see what happens the next time a little stiffer competition shows up on the other side of the ball. We're past the halfway mark in the season. We shouldn't still be talking about missed assignments and arm-tackling. But they won, and I'm glad for that. There are still many troubling areas that remain however. Given a tougher opponent, the way they played last night would've lost them a game. Exactly. A win is a win, but last night's game against a weak opponent was not a genuine wipe out. (For an example of that, I offer the Alabama/A&M score from yesterday. That score was Tide 59, A&M -0. Now THAT's domination. And A&M, which entered yesterday's game at 4-2, was not total chopped liver. Why we were not able to beat Hawai'i by 3 or more TDs is a fact that we should ponder. AzWm It's really not as big a deal as you make it. Individual game scores fade from average fans memories relatively quickly. The record and postseason accomplishments are far more important. The message board fans are the ones who hyper analyze these things.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 14:00:30 GMT -8
At this point it isn't about Rocky anymore. It's about Aztec football not coming close to reaching it's potential. It could be Rocky, Brady Hoke, or anyone else - this program continues to underachieve. That is disappointing. Your consistently adamant position that this team should be much better is absurd. Most of us thought before the season that given the minimal experience of so many of our starters and our lack of depth at QB that this would be basically a repeat of 2013, which despite injuries to four key starters it is shaping up to be. So I just totally fail to understand your weekly need to begin threads of complaint.
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Post by montyismyhomie on Oct 19, 2014 14:05:15 GMT -8
At this point it isn't about Rocky anymore. It's about Aztec football not coming close to reaching it's potential. It could be Rocky, Brady Hoke, or anyone else - this program continues to underachieve. That is disappointing. Your consistently adamant position that this team should be much better is absurd. Most of us thought before the season that given the minimal experience of so many of our starters and our lack of depth at QB that this would be basically a repeat of 2013, which despite injuries to four key starters it is shaping up to be. So I just totally fail to understand your weekly need to begin threads of complaint. Because some people demand excellence and you apparently don't care if this program succeeds. /sarc
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 14:08:03 GMT -8
I read a lot about how great we are going to be next year because our players are still young and we have a wonderful QB redshirting this season, etc. I certainly hope all that comes to pass. Let's just not get ahead of ourselves.What you said: ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ What you meant: Let's not be patient.
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Post by RockNFish on Oct 19, 2014 14:23:54 GMT -8
The bottom line is the W. There is no question about that, and we won last night. That is far better than the alternative, and it keeps us in the driver's seat for the Conference Title. However, having said that, if you want to prove that you are better than the conference you are in, and you want to make a case for inclusion in a bigger, better conference, you have to do something to separate yourself from the other programs in your conference. That we didn't do. That was as unimpressive a win as you can have when winning by 10. This isn't the NFL where a 10 point win is a big deal. As bad as Hawaii is we could have won by 24 easily if we just had the kind of passing attack we had a few years ago to complement our running game. We don't look like a program that deserves to be in one of the 12's (Pac or Big). Right now, if we were in one of those conferences, we'd probably be 2-5. As much as those conferences want to add big TV markets and the addional revenue that those markets bring, they don't want to add a program that will just be a bottom feeder indefinitely. This program has failed to prove that it would not be a bottom feeder. We continue to struggle to beat bad teams, and we don't have any corresponding big wins over good out of conference teams. Our wins over Boise have been tempered by the fact that they've fallen off over the last two or three years. They aren't what they were when they were competing for BCS Bowl bids. Nevada is good, but they dropped off pretty significantly after Kaepernick graduated. What else can we hang our collective hat on? Unfortunately, nothing. 4 winning seasons in a row with some losses that shouldn't have happened and more near misses against P5 teams. Playing like that we won't beat either Boise or Nevada in their stadiums. Two more losses will leave us at 7-5 for the season if we beat everyone else on our schedule, and right now that's not looking like a lock the way this team has played. 6-6 this year would be a disaster. A HUGE step backwards. Hell, 7-5 woud be a fairly big disappointment after all the progress this program had made from 2009 to 2010. We've maintained that level, but failed to improve on it since then. A 7-5 record in a conference as bad as the Mountain West has become is really a step back from where we we've been over the last few years. When are we going to see some legtimitately impressive wins? Or are we going to continue to struggle against bad teams? Looks like several pac12 teams don't deserve to be in the pac12 - not one of them beat Hawaii by 10 8/30/2014 Washington Aloha Stadium L 16-17 9/6/2014 Oregon State Aloha Stadium L 30-38 9/13/2014 Northern Iowa Aloha Stadium W 27-24 9/20/2014 Colorado Boulder, Colo. L 12-21 Beating Hawaii by 40 would do nothing to get us into a P5. As Stan says, it all about tv and $. The only thing that would help us stand out is if we won 3 access bowls in 4 years, so may as well stop watching once we loss a game.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 19, 2014 14:41:10 GMT -8
I read a lot about how great we are going to be next year because our players are still young and we have a wonderful QB redshirting this season, etc. I certainly hope all that comes to pass. Let's just not get ahead of ourselves.What you said: ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ What you meant: Let's not be patient. We have been patient. This is year SIX of this coaching philosophy and plan. Year FOUR under Rocky Long. It's not like we've only given this thing a year or two.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 19, 2014 14:55:33 GMT -8
Looks like several pac12 teams don't deserve to be in the pac12 - not one of them beat Hawaii by 10 8/30/2014 Washington Aloha Stadium L 16-17 9/6/2014 Oregon State Aloha Stadium L 30-38 9/13/2014 Northern Iowa Aloha Stadium W 27-24 9/20/2014 Colorado Boulder, Colo. L 12-21 We both know that Hawaii is a MUCH better team at home. It's night and day with that team. As for Colorado, well, most people think they really don't belong in the Pac 12... Beating Hawaii by 21 or more would do nothing to get us into a P5, that is absolutely true. But beating almost all of our inferior opponents by 20 or more would help. It would help improve the perception of our team as one that has outgrown the G5 status that we currently have (much like UTAH and TCU did before us). Unfortunately, at this point we haven't outgrown our G5 status, but that should be our goal, IMO. And it's not ALL about TV and $ because if it were we would have been invited to the Big 12 years ago. Our TV market is bigger than most of the markets they have in that conference, and it would give them a strong foothold in Southern California. Yes, TV market size and $$ is a BIG part of it, but they don't want to invite a team and have them be Colorado...
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