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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 19, 2014 7:16:36 GMT -8
The bottom line is the W. There is no question about that, and we won last night. That is far better than the alternative, and it keeps us in the driver's seat for the Conference Title.
However, having said that, if you want to prove that you are better than the conference you are in, and you want to make a case for inclusion in a bigger, better conference, you have to do something to separate yourself from the other programs in your conference.
That we didn't do.
That was as unimpressive a win as you can have when winning by 10. This isn't the NFL where a 10 point win is a big deal. As bad as Hawaii is we could have won by 24 easily if we just had the kind of passing attack we had a few years ago to complement our running game. We don't look like a program that deserves to be in one of the 12's (Pac or Big). Right now, if we were in one of those conferences, we'd probably be 2-5. As much as those conferences want to add big TV markets and the addional revenue that those markets bring, they don't want to add a program that will just be a bottom feeder indefinitely. This program has failed to prove that it would not be a bottom feeder. We continue to struggle to beat bad teams, and we don't have any corresponding big wins over good out of conference teams. Our wins over Boise have been tempered by the fact that they've fallen off over the last two or three years. They aren't what they were when they were competing for BCS Bowl bids. Nevada is good, but they dropped off pretty significantly after Kaepernick graduated. What else can we hang our collective hat on? Unfortunately, nothing. 4 winning seasons in a row with some losses that shouldn't have happened and more near misses against P5 teams.
Playing like that we won't beat either Boise or Nevada in their stadiums. Two more losses will leave us at 7-5 for the season if we beat everyone else on our schedule, and right now that's not looking like a lock the way this team has played. 6-6 this year would be a disaster. A HUGE step backwards. Hell, 7-5 woud be a fairly big disappointment after all the progress this program had made from 2009 to 2010. We've maintained that level, but failed to improve on it since then. A 7-5 record in a conference as bad as the Mountain West has become is really a step back from where we we've been over the last few years.
When are we going to see some legtimitately impressive wins? Or are we going to continue to struggle against bad teams?
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Post by laaztec on Oct 19, 2014 7:21:59 GMT -8
Good thing SDSU plays in a terrible conference. It's good for the won loss record.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 7:36:01 GMT -8
Nevada is 114th in total defense,Ezell will be back Quinn looks like he has got his form back,and our defense is playing light out. Yeah you got to trash the team ohh if we only had Terry. WE just rolled up 285 yds on the ground against a very tough run defense. How many yards will they get against Nevada? a Lot. What game are you watching ?Nevada lost to CSU at home. Wile we have aweek off they will be in Honolulu with a pissed of Hawaii.
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Post by darksidereturns on Oct 19, 2014 7:36:38 GMT -8
The bottom line is the W. There is no question about that, and we won last night. That is far better than the alternative, and it keeps us in the driver's seat for the Conference Title. However, having said that, if you want to prove that you are better than the conference you are in, and you want to make a case for inclusion in a bigger, better conference, you have to do something to separate yourself from the other programs in your conference.... like get healthy. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa3EdS3l1zs
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 19, 2014 7:37:03 GMT -8
Good thing SDSU plays in a terrible conference. It's good for the won loss record. It's hard to believe that a conference that was on the verge of being BIG TIME has fallen so far. A conference with TCU, Boise, Utah, and BYU. That's almost what we had. We had 3 of those 4 in the conference, and were negitiating with Boise when the others started leaving. Just imagine that conference now if it had gone that way. Instead, we've got a Boise program that has fallen off pretty significantly, a Fresno State program that is just a shadow of what they used to be, and a Nevada program that is a little better than average. Utah freaking State is one of the better programs in the conference right now! Man, this is a bad conference. As bad as the WAC was at it's worst. And we still can't dominate. We look like we belong in this bad conference. That's more than a little disappointing after four straight winning seasons with four straight Bowl game appearances.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 7:40:02 GMT -8
bottom line is the W. There is no question about that, and we won last night. That is far better than the alternative, and it keeps us in the driver's seat for the Conference Title.
However, having said that, if you want to prove that you are better than the conference you are in, and you want to make a case for inclusion in a bigger, better conference, you have to do something to separate yourself from the other programs in your conference....
thats your pipe dream no mine. Don't be such a Cassandra.Our defense is getting beyond just good 29th in total defense 15 in scoring defense.
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Post by Pasadenaztec on Oct 19, 2014 7:41:09 GMT -8
Last year, our offense was good and our defense was bad.....this year, our offense is bad and our defense is good.
It seems like we can never quite get both good at the same time.
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Oct 19, 2014 7:41:57 GMT -8
Nevada is 114th in total defense,Ezell will be back Quinn looks like he has got his form back,and our defense is playing light out. Yeah you got to trash the team ohh if we only had Terry. WE just rolled up 285 yds on the ground against a very tough run defense. How many yards will they get against Nevada? a Lot. What game are you watching ?Nevada lost to CSU at home. Wile we have aweek off they will be in Honolulu with a pissed of Hawaii. Thanks Stephen. I know you have a coaching background and are as knowledgeable as any here. Your counterbalance to the hammer of the original poster is appreciated. Sent from my Admiral Mark 01 Telegraph machine via Sputnik with dial-up
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 19, 2014 7:43:33 GMT -8
bottom line is the W. There is no question about that, and we won last night. That is far better than the alternative, and it keeps us in the driver's seat for the Conference Title. However, having said that, if you want to prove that you are better than the conference you are in, and you want to make a case for inclusion in a bigger, better conference, you have to do something to separate yourself from the other programs in your conference.... thats your pipe dream no mine. Don't be such a Cassandra.Our defense is getting beyond just good 29th in total defense 15 in scoring defense. Wow. You really don't have any aspirations for this program to elevate itself to the point of either dominating this awful conference or joining a better one? That's not just my dream for this program, by the way, most Aztec fans share that dream. And, for the record, our defense has been getting those good stats against bad teams. The level of competition we've faced overall is a joke.
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Post by AztecBill on Oct 19, 2014 7:44:25 GMT -8
We just held Hawhii to their lowest point total of the year and handed them only their second double digit loss of the season and we are doomed.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 19, 2014 7:46:15 GMT -8
We just held Hawhii to their lowest point total of the year and handed them only their second double digit loss of the season and we are doomed. Hawaii is well known to play poorly on the mainland more often than not. They're almost a different team. Do you really think that we looked that impressive last night? Did we look like a team that is dominating this conference or deserves to be in a better conference? I don't think so. Not even close.
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Post by AztecBill on Oct 19, 2014 7:48:54 GMT -8
Erik, did you notice the crowd? That was one of the metrics you have used to judge Rocky. So he gets a plus for last night.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 19, 2014 7:50:24 GMT -8
Erik, did you notice the crowd? That was one of the metrics you have used to judge Rocky. So he gets a plus for last night. No he doesn't. That was the result of, "Family night," where 5,000 FREE tickets were given away. It was that kids thing at halftime - all those people counted towards the attendance figures, and almost all of them left after their kids' halftime performance. They weren't there for the game.
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Oct 19, 2014 7:50:55 GMT -8
thats your pipe dream no mine. Don't be such a Cassandra.Our defense is getting beyond just good 29th in total defense 15 in scoring defense. Wow. You really don't have any aspirations for this program to elevate itself to the point of either dominating this awful conference or joining a better one? That's not just my dream for this program, by the way, most Aztec fans share that dream. And, for the record, our defense has been getting those good stats against bad teams. The level of competition we've faced overall is a joke. I am sure he appreciates you putting words in his mouth. Stephen has proven over the years that he has high aspirations and given solid advice as to how to get there. Just because it doesn't align with your myopic view doesn't make it less aspirational. Dumping or replacing coaches every few years is never a recipe for proven program development. Stop hammering those that disagree with you and start trying to listen. I'm certainly glad no one listened to you about Fisher a few years ago... SMH Sent from my Admiral Mark 01 Telegraph machine via Sputnik with dial-up
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Oct 19, 2014 7:51:57 GMT -8
Erik, did you notice the crowd? That was one of the metrics you have used to judge Rocky. So he gets a plus for last night. No he doesn't. That was the result of, "Family night," where 5,000 FREE tickets were given away. It was that kids thing at halftime - all those people counted towards the attendance figures, and almost all of them left after their kids' halftime performance. They weren't there for the game. lol. Seriously? Sent from my Admiral Mark 01 Telegraph machine via Sputnik with dial-up
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Post by jeffreylw on Oct 19, 2014 7:55:18 GMT -8
A bunch of the people in here would bitch if you got hung by an old rope. "We didn't play as good as Alabama" wahhhh
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Post by douchey1 on Oct 19, 2014 7:59:26 GMT -8
Tollner years would win like this and he almost single handedly killed the program. Sure it's a girl but it's an ugly girl
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Post by AztecBill on Oct 19, 2014 8:00:22 GMT -8
Erik, did you notice the crowd? That was one of the metrics you have used to judge Rocky. So he gets a plus for last night. No he doesn't. That was the result of, "Family night," where 5,000 FREE tickets were given away. It was that kids thing at halftime - all those people counted towards the attendance figures, and almost all of them left after their kids' halftime performance. They weren't there for the game. They came because they k we we play football at such a high level that it would be fun. I bet next game we have even more fans attend.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 19, 2014 8:02:21 GMT -8
Wow. You really don't have any aspirations for this program to elevate itself to the point of either dominating this awful conference or joining a better one? That's not just my dream for this program, by the way, most Aztec fans share that dream. And, for the record, our defense has been getting those good stats against bad teams. The level of competition we've faced overall is a joke. I am sure he appreciates you putting words in his mouth. Stephen has proven over the years that he has high aspirations and given solid advice as to how to get there. Just because it doesn't align with your myopic view doesn't make it less aspirational. Dumping or replacing coaches every few years is never a recipe for proven program development. Stop hammering those that disagree with you and start trying to listen. I'm certainly glad no one listened to you about Fisher a few years ago... SMH Really? Because, even though I wasn't happy with the team stuck on the 20 regular season wins and no NCAA Tournament wins, I was one of the people who said that he should get at least one more year to show how far he could take the Basketball program, and the next year was our big breakthrough year. I supported Fisher getting another year or two when others were calling for him to be fired. But Stephen himself said that, "My," dream of the Aztecs dominating this crappy conference or getting into a better one wasn't his dream. His words, not mine. If he wants to clarify what he meant he can do that. This team looks mediocre in a bad conference. Why should I be happy about that given the fact that this program has clearly regressed over the last two years? I'm perfectly willing to listen to what you have to say if you think that this team and this program as a whole is headed in the right direction. Honestly, what tangible things are there to show that the results on the field over the last two years are misleading?
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Post by OnionHead on Oct 19, 2014 8:05:08 GMT -8
We won!!!
PantherGuy must be PISSED.
Didn't we win by 2 scores and ran out the clock inside the Bows' fifteen yard line to end the game?
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