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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 9:59:51 GMT -8
Billy White had some of the biggest games in Aztec history including 28 points vs #8 New Mexico his junior year. 30 points at #11 Gonzaga his senior year 21 points and 12 rebounds vs #8 BYU his senior year
Billy White also went an entire game without taking a single shot in both his junior and senior years. Billy White also went an entire game without grabbing a single rebound four times his junior year and twice his senior year.
Thus is the story of Billy White.
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Post by ignoranus on Oct 17, 2014 10:04:15 GMT -8
Burns was definitely top ten based upon the one year that he played---if the criteria IS simply best players and NOT statistics accumulated over a career.
Richie goes ahead of DJ on my list and Bland is certainly top ten.
Also, I've got Wade and the Spaniard ahead of Abukar.
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Oct 17, 2014 10:17:24 GMT -8
Billy White could've been a sure-fire NBA player if he took basketball more seriously. One time I was at the ARC when he played against Matt Barnes and Trevor Ariza in a 3 on 3 game. They were really going after each other, and he absolutely dominated the game. He didn't display it very often but he really developed a 3 point shot and he could dribble extremely well for his size, combined with his amazing athleticism and leaping ability. Extremely strong in the low post as well. Should be in the NBA right now if he lived up to his potential. Great aztec, loved the guy
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 10:29:20 GMT -8
I don't know why you guys have Marcus Slaughter ahead of Brandon Heath on your list. If he decided to stay in school and not declare for the draft him and Brandon Heath would of made the sweet 16 that year but nope he was an idiot and didn't get drafted. It's crazy to me after all this time how many ignorant people think they can make judgement calls on behalf of another idividual. Marcus and his family needed money. Marcus is one of the most succesful international basketball players in the world. You may laugh at that but Marcus has made himself and his family a lot of money-- which was the entire point of him leaving early. Of course Marcus and his dad hoped and believed he was good enough to get drafted, but that was never the point in itself. Marcus was a great Aztec, and continues to be a fantastic representative of the University and the men's basketball program. So before you call him an idiot because you think he ruined a hypothetical world where you are a little bit happier because the basketball team you root for might have done better, maybe consider the fact that there is always a story behind what you see for 40 minutes on the basketball court and there is more to basketball decisions than just basketball. Jerk.
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Oct 17, 2014 10:37:41 GMT -8
I don't know why you guys have Marcus Slaughter ahead of Brandon Heath on your list. If he decided to stay in school and not declare for the draft him and Brandon Heath would of made the sweet 16 that year but nope he was an idiot and didn't get drafted. It's crazy to me after all this time how many ignorant people think they can make judgement calls on behalf of another idividual. Marcus and his family needed money. Marcus is one of the most succesful international basketball players in the world. You may laugh at that but Marcus has made himself and his family a lot of money-- which was the entire point of him leaving early. Of course Marcus and his dad hoped and believed he was good enough to get drafted, but that was never the point in itself. Marcus was a great Aztec, and continues to be a fantastic representative of the University and the men's basketball program. So before you call him an idiot because you think he ruined a hypothetical world where you are a little bit happier because the basketball team you root for might have done better, maybe consider the fact that there is always a story behind what you see for 40 minutes on the basketball court and there is more to basketball decisions than just basketball. Jerk. Agree with all of that.. My only counterpoint is that if he made it 20 years without being that desperate for money, it would've been nice (for him and us) if he waited 1 more year, so that he probably WOULD get drafted. He was a terrific player but I think the NBA needed to see more from him since SDSU was pretty much a "nobody" back then. He would've most likely been better with another year of development also. But obviously he knows his situation better than we do, and hopefully it really was the right decision. If he was in the NBA he'd obviously be making a lot more money though and be able to stay in the USA. Hindsight is always 20/20 though
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Post by mySTRAS on Oct 17, 2014 10:43:20 GMT -8
I don't know why you guys have Marcus Slaughter ahead of Brandon Heath on your list. If he decided to stay in school and not declare for the draft him and Brandon Heath would of made the sweet 16 that year but nope he was an idiot and didn't get drafted. It's crazy to me after all this time how many ignorant people think they can make judgement calls on behalf of another idividual. Marcus and his family needed money. Marcus is one of the most succesful international basketball players in the world. You may laugh at that but Marcus has made himself and his family a lot of money-- which was the entire point of him leaving early. Of course Marcus and his dad hoped and believed he was good enough to get drafted, but that was never the point in itself. Marcus was a great Aztec, and continues to be a fantastic representative of the University and the men's basketball program. So before you call him an idiot because you think he ruined a hypothetical world where you are a little bit happier because the basketball team you root for might have done better, maybe consider the fact that there is always a story behind what you see for 40 minutes on the basketball court and there is more to basketball decisions than just basketball. Jerk. Exactly! His career earnings have been what... 3 million, 4 million ? He's traveled the world and is still only 29 years old. I'd say things have turned out incredibly well for Marcus.
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Post by mySTRAS on Oct 17, 2014 10:46:18 GMT -8
It's crazy to me after all this time how many ignorant people think they can make judgement calls on behalf of another idividual. Marcus and his family needed money. Marcus is one of the most succesful international basketball players in the world. You may laugh at that but Marcus has made himself and his family a lot of money-- which was the entire point of him leaving early. Of course Marcus and his dad hoped and believed he was good enough to get drafted, but that was never the point in itself. Marcus was a great Aztec, and continues to be a fantastic representative of the University and the men's basketball program. So before you call him an idiot because you think he ruined a hypothetical world where you are a little bit happier because the basketball team you root for might have done better, maybe consider the fact that there is always a story behind what you see for 40 minutes on the basketball court and there is more to basketball decisions than just basketball. Jerk. Agree with all of that.. My only counterpoint is that if he made it 20 years without being that desperate for money, it would've been nice (for him and us) if he waited 1 more year, so that he probably WOULD get drafted. He was a terrific player but I think the NBA needed to see more from him since SDSU was pretty much a "nobody" back then. He would've most likely been better with another year of development also. But obviously he knows his situation better than we do, and hopefully it really was the right decision. If he was in the NBA he'd obviously be making a lot more money though and be able to stay in the USA. Hindsight is always 20/20 though I'm not sure staying in school another year would have helped. He was a bit undersized to play power forward in the NBA. And IIRC, a lot of posters here chastised him for working on his outside shot during his last year at State. He was a great college player and has had a fantastic international career.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 11:42:34 GMT -8
Billy White is playing in the second level league in Israel. First game in a couple weeks. He should dominate. In the Mexican league he started to show some maturity. He should be in the NBA and scaring people to death with fast catch up packs and dunks in Ibaka's face alla Kawhi Leonard.
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Post by erogers on Oct 17, 2014 11:58:30 GMT -8
Habel was extremely talented...I think he'd be able to break that list in terms of talent.
I also think Richie Williams was a better point guard that DJ Gay, and I also think that DJ was a product of being the point guard of an extremely talented team. You put Richie on that first Sweet 16 team ain't no tellin what could've happened.
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Post by theoracle on Oct 17, 2014 12:19:20 GMT -8
The Oracle is actually shocked that some folks put Richie over DJ. Richie was fantastic his senior year where they went to the NIT Final Four. But before that, people need to remember that he committed a lot of turnovers and had a below average outside shot his freshman and sophmore years.
DJ on the other hand came in as a freshman and off the bat, he was a decent contributor. His game didn't grow and DJ struggled his sophmore yard. But he came back and then some his Jr. and Sr. years where he was a good three point shooter, made free throws, rarely turned the ball over, and made some huge clutch plays at the end of games for the win.
Lastly, might the Oracle add that he exploded all over UNM at the Pit his senior year. If the Oracle remembers correctly, he bombed 7 three pointers including 1 half court shot to end the first half. It was truly one of the best one man performances under Fisher's tenure. Not downing Richie, but don't think Richie ever hit that level of play during his 4 years at SDSU.
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Oct 17, 2014 12:33:52 GMT -8
The Oracle is actually shocked that some folks put Richie over DJ. Richie was fantastic his senior year where they went to the NIT Final Four. But before that, people need to remember that he committed a lot of turnovers and had a below average outside shot his freshman and sophmore years. DJ on the other hand came in as a freshman and off the bat, he was a decent contributor. His game didn't grow and DJ struggled his sophmore yard. But he came back and then some his Jr. and Sr. years where he was a good three point shooter, made free throws, rarely turned the ball over, and made some huge clutch plays at the end of games for the win. Lastly, might the Oracle add that he exploded all over UNM at the Pit his senior year. If the Oracle remembers correctly, he bombed 7 three pointers including 1 half court shot to end the first half. It was truly one of the best one man performances under Fisher's tenure. Not downing Richie, but don't think Richie ever hit that level of play during his 4 years at SDSU. They were night and day different interms of styles. Kind of difficult to compare who was better. -Richie was defensive oriented. A lightening quick little PG who was a tenacious defender who got steals and created turnovers. He developed a pretty good 3, and became pretty good offensively toward the end of his career. -DJ was offensively oriented.. Seemed to me like a natural 2 guard but was too short, so he had to play PG. Was slower and not as athletic but always a knockdown shooter and didn't turn the ball over.. He was always under control. He played solid D in terms of not letting his defender get by him for the most part, but not like Richie, and Richie got way more steals. I'd probably take DJ but I think it's pretty much a wash. They're pretty equal in my mind, depending on what team you have around them I think one would be better than the other. I think Richie might have been more fitting for that 34-3 team because I really think that team should have run more, and would've possibly gotten further in the tourney if they did. They played a half court offense for the most part, but with Malcolm and Billy White as our very athletic bigs, we could've been a more effective fastbreak team. I always thought LaBradford should've gotten a little more minutes because of that, since he was a faster run-the-court type of PG. The few times he did play, he seemed like a great spark... Particularly in a UNM game that I specifically remember. Hard to criticize that team though, they were great
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 12:35:16 GMT -8
Need to show Myron Epps some love. He was the ONLY d1 caliber player on Fisher's first squad. One man show for the most part.
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Post by sdcoug on Oct 17, 2014 12:53:54 GMT -8
Agree with all of that.. My only counterpoint is that if he made it 20 years without being that desperate for money, it would've been nice (for him and us) if he waited 1 more year, so that he probably WOULD get drafted. He was a terrific player but I think the NBA needed to see more from him since SDSU was pretty much a "nobody" back then. He would've most likely been better with another year of development also. But obviously he knows his situation better than we do, and hopefully it really was the right decision. If he was in the NBA he'd obviously be making a lot more money though and be able to stay in the USA. Hindsight is always 20/20 though I'm not sure staying in school another year would have helped. He was a bit undersized to play power forward in the NBA. And IIRC, a lot of posters here chastised him for working on his outside shot during his last year at State. He was a great college player and has had a fantastic international career. +1. Staying in school for their senior year rarely improves anyone's stock. If his family needed money he DEFINITELY made the wise move. Playing around in Europe is a pretty awesome life.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 12:59:03 GMT -8
The Oracle is actually shocked that some folks put Richie over DJ. Richie was fantastic his senior year where they went to the NIT Final Four. But before that, people need to remember that he committed a lot of turnovers and had a below average outside shot his freshman and sophmore years. DJ on the other hand came in as a freshman and off the bat, he was a decent contributor. His game didn't grow and DJ struggled his sophmore yard. But he came back and then some his Jr. and Sr. years where he was a good three point shooter, made free throws, rarely turned the ball over, and made some huge clutch plays at the end of games for the win. Lastly, might the Oracle add that he exploded all over UNM at the Pit his senior year. If the Oracle remembers correctly, he bombed 7 three pointers including 1 half court shot to end the first half. It was truly one of the best one man performances under Fisher's tenure. Not downing Richie, but don't think Richie ever hit that level of play during his 4 years at SDSU. Didn't Richie shoot 50% from 3 point range his sophomore year?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 13:00:36 GMT -8
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Post by sdsustoner on Oct 17, 2014 13:02:22 GMT -8
Need to show Myron Epps some love. He was the ONLY d1 caliber player on Fisher's first squad. One man show for the most part. It really bummed me out to see him sit on the bench the entire Duke game. He looked upset too. He went from our only good player to a guy off the bench in four years. Showing the huge talent leap we had in those seasons. He has the distinction of being the sole member of the Emerald 8 with actual D1 college basketball ability.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 13:10:08 GMT -8
Richie had a tough junior year. Started the season deep in the doghouse after getting his DUI. Missed the first handful of games and didnt even start the first 9 or 10 games, I believe. Also missed time late in the year for fracturing or spraining his wrist. Played in 25 games, only started 12 of them. Was a full time starter FR/SO/SR years though.
I remember Fish saying something after a game along the lines of, "I know the guys get tired of hearing me say this, but if you want more minutes, play more like Richie." Kid was a gamer who took zero plays off, ever.
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Post by xohsxc on Oct 17, 2014 13:10:10 GMT -8
1 Leonard 2 Thames 3 Franklin 4 Holcomb 5 Heath 6 Slaughter 7 Thomas 8 Sanders 9 Tapley 10 Abukar
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Post by aztectodd on Oct 17, 2014 14:01:46 GMT -8
1. Kawhi Leonard 2. Brandon Heath 3. Marcus Slaughter 4. Malcom Thomas 5. Xavier Thames 6. Randy Holcomb 7. Jamal Franklin 8. Billy White 9. DJ Gay 10. Aerick Sanders
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Post by vision on Oct 17, 2014 15:18:15 GMT -8
I don't see how their pro career has anything to do with anything.
Who were the top ten to impact SDSU while they were in school?
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